Is FPSSJG2/3 Redundant?

[theherodjl]

This may have been asked before but given the increase of SSJ Grade 2 or 3, would it be possible for a FPSSJ to next master the grades so that they can be used in conjunction to add more power?
I imagine it like this, Goku & Gohan decided to spend another year in the ROSAT but Gohan still doesn't unlock SSJ2 so Goku decides to activate SSJG2 on top of FPSSJ and then he & Gohan spend the next 6 months frequently being in that state and then another 6 months being in SSJG3. Afterwards they gain such proficiency with SSJ Grade 3 that it ends up being like Trunks from DB Multiverse, in which they can use the form in bursts then immediately go back down to SSJG2 so as not to lose speed for more than a split second.
How would the Cell Games have turned out now if this concept does infact work?

[SH69]

They still probably wouldn't be able to beat Cell, unless they gain a significant power boost during the second time they're training. I'm basing this response on them not getting any stronger but more proficient in their Grade forms.
Post ROSAT Goku and Gohan were both stronger than Trunks; who, as a SSG3, had the power to beat Cell. The only thing stopping Trunks from winning was the lack of speed.
So it's safe to say Goku and Gohan SSG3 Post ROSAT would have enough power to beat Cell- if they can get the hits in. Would they have enough speed to keep up with Cell though? I highly doubt it. During Cell vs FPSSJ Goku, it seemed as if they were more or less equals. So a Super Saiyan is needed to keep up with Cell's speed. If Goku were to go SSG2, he'd lose a lot of his speed, and I think he'd no longer be able to keep up with Cell. Same applies for Gohan.
If they could use bursts to quickly change between FPSSJ and SSG2 though, I'd think they'd have a much better chance. It would depend a lot on how quickly they can get into and out of the grade form though.
The only way I see them winning with the SSG3 is if Goku caught Cell by surprise with the Instant Kamehameha. If not though, I don't see it working.

[TheUltimateNinja]

This may have been asked before but given the increase of SSJ Grade 2 or 3, would it be possible for a FPSSJ to next master the grades so that they can be used in conjunction to add more power?
I imagine it like this, Goku & Gohan decided to spend another year in the ROSAT but Gohan still doesn't unlock SSJ2 so Goku decides to activate SSJG2 on top of FPSSJ and then he & Gohan spend the next 6 months frequently being in that state and then another 6 months being in SSJG3. Afterwards they gain such proficiency with SSJ Grade 3 that it ends up being like Trunks from DB Multiverse, in which they can use the form in bursts then immediately go back down to SSJG2 so as not to lose speed for more than a split second.
How would the Cell Games have turned out now if this concept does infact work?

The thing is, just transforming into the Grade states takes up too much power. The whole point of Goku and Gohan's exercise was to make Super Saiyan as natural as their Base State so they wouldn't have any stress or energy drain by using it, as explained by Vegeta once they mastered this they could power up with minimal strain on their body, this is a much more efficient method of powering up than the Grade states as you forcibly bulk up when you use those and sacrifice speed and energy. Even using it in short bursts would exhaust them much too quickly to be of any use against Cell.

[TheUltimateNinja]

They still probably wouldn't be able to beat Cell, unless they gain a significant power boost during the second time they're training. I'm basing this response on them not getting any stronger but more proficient in their Grade forms.
Post ROSAT Goku and Gohan were both stronger than Trunks; who, as a SSG3, had the power to beat Cell. The only thing stopping Trunks from winning was the lack of speed.
So it's safe to say Goku and Gohan SSG3 Post ROSAT would have enough power to beat Cell- if they can get the hits in. Would they have enough speed to keep up with Cell though? I highly doubt it. During Cell vs FPSSJ Goku, it seemed as if they were more or less equals. So a Super Saiyan is needed to keep up with Cell's speed. If Goku were to go SSG2, he'd lose a lot of his speed, and I think he'd no longer be able to keep up with Cell. Same applies for Gohan.
If they could use bursts to quickly change between FPSSJ and SSG2 though, I'd think they'd have a much better chance. It would depend a lot on how quickly they can get into and out of the grade form though.
The only way I see them winning with the SSG3 is if Goku caught Cell by surprise with the Instant Kamehameha. If not though, I don't see it working.

Trunks wasn't actually stronger than Cell, when FPSSJ Goku came out of the time chamber and powered up to half strength for Korin he'd already surpassed Vegeta and Trunks' Grade forms yet Cell was still much stronger than him so Cell at that point far surpassed Trunks, he was just holding back for fun.

[Desassina]

It's redundant, since Cell could bulk up from less than full power when facing Trunks, and after using most of it against Gohan. Full power is what they have available without strain, and not the highest that they can go, as made evident with Cell and Gohan ascending. To be honest, what you're asking for is kinda like Legendary Super Saiya-jin, which would kill the relationship between strain, bulk and speed loss.

[theherodjl]

The thing is, just transforming into the Grade states takes up too much power. The whole point of Goku and Gohan's exercise was to make Super Saiyan as natural as their Base State so they wouldn't have any stress or energy drain by using it, as explained by Vegeta once they mastered this they could power up with minimal strain on their body, this is a much more efficient method of powering up than the Grade states as you forcibly bulk up when you use those and sacrifice speed and energy. Even using it in short bursts would exhaust them much too quickly to be of any use against Cell.

It's redundant, since Cell could bulk up from less than full power when facing Trunks, and after using most of it against Gohan. Full power is what they have available without strain, and not the highest that they can go, as made evident with Cell and Gohan ascending. To be honest, what you're asking for is kinda like Legendary Super Saiya-jin, which would kill the relationship between strain, bulk and speed loss.

What I am asking is how would they fare if they hypothetically trained their grade forms?
The point is to minimalize the strain of said power-ups as much as they could within another year's time so that they might improve somewhat against Cell, they're not simply using SSJG2 or 3 on top of FPSSJ without making an attempt to master such a combination so willy nilly knowing it's shortcomings. I am wondering if they might find a way around the speed loss of SSJG3 as well.

[Desassina]

My reply gave you an adequate answer. If they're training Grade III to overcome its flaws, they will probably lose that bulk, because the latter is only a symbol of speed and energy loss. I don't have a hard time imagining Buff Boo being clunky in terms of movement, for example, while Freeza lost energy with his 100% form. He didn't have that bulk in RoF, because he got used to his power, but Broly illustrates exactly what you want: being bulky without hindrance. That's his nature though, and a Toei concept, but in Dragon Ball you don't usually remove strain without losing bulk. Kame-senin is proof of that as well.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The thing is, just transforming into the Grade states takes up too much power. The whole point of Goku and Gohan's exercise was to make Super Saiyan as natural as their Base State so they wouldn't have any stress or energy drain by using it, as explained by Vegeta once they mastered this they could power up with minimal strain on their body, this is a much more efficient method of powering up than the Grade states as you forcibly bulk up when you use those and sacrifice speed and energy. Even using it in short bursts would exhaust them much too quickly to be of any use against Cell.

It's redundant, since Cell could bulk up from less than full power when facing Trunks, and after using most of it against Gohan. Full power is what they have available without strain, and not the highest that they can go, as made evident with Cell and Gohan ascending. To be honest, what you're asking for is kinda like Legendary Super Saiya-jin, which would kill the relationship between strain, bulk and speed loss.

What I am asking is how would they fare if they hypothetically trained their grade forms?
The point is to minimalize the strain of said power-ups as much as they could within another year's time so that they might improve somewhat against Cell, they're not simply using SSJG2 or 3 on top of FPSSJ without making an attempt to master such a combination so willy nilly knowing it's shortcomings. I am wondering if they might find a way around the speed loss of SSJG3 as well.

They could increase they speed at which they transform, but the energy drain would be a constant. The Grade states by their very nature are pushing SSJ beyond its limits, hence the bulkiness. They're basically forcibly pumping more energy into their body to obtain that extra power which causes them to bulk up and thereby lose speed, so if they truly "mastered" it they wouldn't have that bulk anymore in which case it wouldn't be a Grade form anymore and just regular FPSSJ.