Super Animation Catalogue 2.0

[cuartas]

*snip*

I'm with you with this.

Loose animation and distortion shots seems more like an excuse to justify the mismanagment and the bad schedule of this anime, the lack of time only serves to abuse this style.

Ironically the most praised bit of animation in DBS (Shidas's one) comes from the people who defend loose animation with their lives

[Avok]

Animation was subpar in this episode, save a couple of scenes with SSGSS Goku and Vegeta in the end. Fights do lack impact, kinda disappointed

You can't be serious. The fight with trunks was beautifully animated, along with pretty much everything in the goku and vegeta fight.

Yes, I am. Beautifully animated you say?

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Also there's these shots:

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But I take it back, Vegeta vs Black was somewhat good animated, this scene was beautiful indeed:

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Those are still images. You're talking about art.
They have some issues, though. For example, that scene in where Trunks punches Black and the flies at top speed is good concept wise and the animation isn't bad per se, but note how Black is completely out of place. The light from Trunks aura should reflect on his clothes and hair, and there should be air currents (don't know what's the right word, but you get what I'm getting at) behind him to show the speed Trunks is pushing him at.

About Trunk's face, this has more to do with the character design. His face is too wide. That's what happens when you have Yamamuro literally tracing Toriyama.

This episode had some great, great moments though.

Like these: https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=31s (Dynamic movement!)
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=1m13s (You can feel Vegeta's dash speed and strenght)
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=1m19s (the hair motion is a great add-on).
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=1m24s (speed and weight; shockwaves!! And Goku's look at Zamasu has soul into it)
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=3m22s (there's weight behind Vegeta's moves)

Moments like these are what makes the episodes look good. Little but consistent details that make scenes feel alive, not necessarily crazy sakuga.

[JulieYBM]

*snip*

I'm with you with this.

Loose animation and distortion shots seems more like an excuse to justify the mismanagment and the bad schedule of this anime, the lack of time only serves to abuse this style.

Ironically the most praised bit of animation in DBS (Shidas's one) comes from the people who defend loose animation with their lives

Shida's drawings are pretty loose, hardly on model. Even still, good animation comes in more forms than one.

[Noah]

That's why my point was not all off model things are bad. It looks good but you can definitely see that most of Shida's character art is different from the model sheets. (I would post an example but I don't feel like gathering pictures...)

I think the point is that Shida's character art is visually better than the one presented in this episode, but well, feel free to do that later, then.

The head/face shape is pretty striking and it doesn't match any Super regulars as far as I know, so I assume it's someone new to the series.

Good shot, new blood is always welcome

Those are still images. You're talking about art.
They have some issues, though. For example, that scene in where Trunks punches Black and the flies at top speed is good concept wise and the animation isn't bad per se, but note how Black is completely out of place. The light from Trunks aura should reflect on his clothes and hair, and there should be air currents (don't know what's the right word, but you get what I'm getting at) behind him to show the speed Trunks is pushing him at.

About Trunk's face, this has more to do with the character design. His face is too wide. That's what happens when you have Yamamuro literally tracing Toriyama.

This episode had some great, great moments though. Like these: *video links*

Moments like these are what makes the episodes look good. Little but consistent details that make scenes feel alive, not necessarily crazy sakuga.

Well, for me Trunks vs Black was undewhelming in this episode, animation, art or maybe both.

Could you explain that in bold?

And I changed my opinion, saying before that good animation in the recent episode was only by the final scenes, watching again, I saw that the fight between Vegeta, Black, Goku and Zamasu was good animated

[kinisking]

*snip*

I'm with you with this.

Loose animation and distortion shots seems more like an excuse to justify the mismanagment and the bad schedule of this anime, the lack of time only serves to abuse this style.

Ironically the most praised bit of animation in DBS (Shidas's one) comes from the people who defend loose animation with their lives

Loose animation has nothing to do with supers schedule.

[cuartas]

*snip*

I'm with you with this.

Loose animation and distortion shots seems more like an excuse to justify the mismanagment and the bad schedule of this anime, the lack of time only serves to abuse this style.

Ironically the most praised bit of animation in DBS (Shidas's one) comes from the people who defend loose animation with their lives

Loose animation has nothing to do with supers schedule.

Welp, it's cheap to produce

[JulieYBM]

Welp, it's cheap to produce

No, animators are paid the same, so no matter how 'detailed' the drawings are. Hell, loose animation is going to be done by talented animators, who are likelier to make more money than your average rookie.

[PMD]

Lol, Ajay is not around for a couple of days and we already have people who can't notice the difference between art and animation (and put in-betweens as examples) bitching for one really well animated episode. What a mess.

This episode had some great, great moments though.

Like these: https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=31s (Dynamic movement!)
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=1m13s (You can feel Vegeta's dash speed and strenght)
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=1m19s (the hair motion is a great add-on).
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=1m24s (speed and weight; shockwaves!! And Goku's look at Zamasu has soul into it)
https://youtu.be/8nExjAegBkI?t=3m22s (there's weight behind Vegeta's moves)

Moments like these are what makes the episodes look good. Little but consistent details that make scenes feel alive, not necessarily crazy sakuga.

Exactly, those are great examples, especially the last two. This episode looked really good, and I really liked Tate's cut, it was nice even though it was super short.

[Amir]

It's really sad to see people posting inbetween frames that don't even look that terrible and then claiming the animation is bad.

[emperior]

Sad people still can't tell the difference between art and animation. By the way art was fine in the last episode, some drawings are also very good and the animation too was very good, we finally got to see incredibly fast battles and I love them.

I just have a problem with how battle damage is handled. The scratches are inconsistent and look very bad. Is it that difficult to make those look like they looked in RoF? (red/black scratches)

[cuartas]

Welp, it's cheap to produce

No, animators are paid the same, so no matter how 'detailed' the drawings are. Hell, loose animation is going to be done by talented animators, who are likelier to make more money than your average rookie.

with cheap I meant to say, "is shorter"

[Mazingerdestro]

Just because you have different standards and don't enjoy animation like that, that doesn't mean that this type is cheap to produce/easy to make/worse than others, this is just how the artist/animator likes/wants/can animate. Also that's how he imagines the scene in his mind. Is not like Tate got 2 bucks less than someone else so these 2 bucks equals "Tate jaws" or something.
Ajay has explained countless times that the animation industry is not like a vending machine. Money doesn't always equal quality or quality that we will enjoy. Actually that doesn't apply only to animation but in businesses in general. Every project is based on 3 things. Money, time, outcome. The best would be to have all three but usually you have to sacrifice 1 so the other two can go on. For example good outcome+less money equals to you need more time. A lot of money+not enough time equals to bad outcome. This rule applies to every project in general and by thinking it you can easily understand how every industry works. In general Toei has done wonders with this arc. Just imagine how spectacular would Bog/ROF be if they had better schedules and time to work on more fights.

[BakaManiaHD]

I really miss this kind of particle effect they used to do at the beginning of the serie.
It was a really nice touch to the KI blasts.

[JulieYBM]

Welp, it's cheap to produce

No, animators are paid the same, so no matter how 'detailed' the drawings are. Hell, loose animation is going to be done by talented animators, who are likelier to make more money than your average rookie.

with cheap I meant to say, "is shorter"

By 'cheaper' you mean "has nothing to actually do with money" and by 'shorter' you mean "has nothing to do quality"? Okay.

You can try as many ways as you like, but you are not going to successfully make 'loose animation' synonymous with 'bad/lazy/cheap animation'.

[ekrolo2]

Saying looser animation is cheap is about on par in stupidity as thinking a higher budget automatically makes something better.

[KingBradley]

So Yashima will be by Karasawa's side for the next episode?
I saw this last time on the twitter of Ajay http://www.noelshack.com/2016-43-147732 ... aaxi1q.jpg

It's not surprising that we're going to see Yashima's work two time in a row ? Or maybe it's a mistake

[Mazingerdestro]

So Yashima will be by Karasawa's side for the next episode?
I saw this last time on the twitter of Ajay http://www.noelshack.com/2016-43-147732 ... aaxi1q.jpg

It's not surprising that we're going to see Yashima's work two time in a row ? Or maybe it's a mistake

So good models and good art. Yeah!!!

[cuartas]

No, animators are paid the same, so no matter how 'detailed' the drawings are. Hell, loose animation is going to be done by talented animators, who are likelier to make more money than your average rookie.

with cheap I meant to say, "is shorter"

By 'cheaper' you mean "has nothing to actually do with money" and by 'shorter' you mean "has nothing to do quality"? Okay.

You can try as many ways as you like, but you are not going to successfully make 'loose animation' synonymous with 'bad/lazy/cheap animation'.

TIME.
Seriously I had to go this far to make you understand what I meant to say? cmon

I'll never, ever going to think that making looser animation with their distorted models and extra blur takes as much as time and effort as regular detailed animation, that's why I think this is the reason that style is being abused in DBS, the lack of time, the shitty schedule and blah, blah, blah.

Jezz, I really thought I was enough clear with the very first comment

[nite_jay]

with cheap I meant to say, "is shorter"

By 'cheaper' you mean "has nothing to actually do with money" and by 'shorter' you mean "has nothing to do quality"? Okay.

You can try as many ways as you like, but you are not going to successfully make 'loose animation' synonymous with 'bad/lazy/cheap animation'.

TIME.
Seriously I had to go this far to make you understand what I meant to say? cmon

I'll never, ever going to think that making looser animation with their distorted models and extra blur takes as much as time and effort as regular detailed animation, that's why I think this is the reason that style is being abused in DBS, the lack of time, the shitty schedule and blah, blah, blah.

Jezz, I really thought I was enough clear with the very first comment

Motion blurs and smears are more of a matter of style preference though. All of these have nothing to do with the schedule, either.

[JulieYBM]

TIME.
Seriously I had to go this far to make you understand what I meant to say? cmon

I'll never, ever going to think that making looser animation with their distorted models and extra blur takes as much as time and effort as regular detailed animation, that's why I think this is the reason that style is being abused in DBS, the lack of time, the shitty schedule and blah, blah, blah.

Jezz, I really thought I was enough clear with the very first comment

Loose drawings have nothing to do with the bad schedule, though. Tate Naoki's normal style is loose drawings. If anything he's trying too hard to stay on-model, which would take time away from his ability to draw extra key animation drawings to improve the animation.