The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:18 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
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Steven Bloodriver wrote: Could you please elaborate on why Goku Black would be okay after eating the food of the Supreme Kai of Time, why a Future Gohan that would even be stronger than he was against Future Androids 17 and 18 would be in trouble especially if he has Future Trunks with him against the likes of Mecha Frieza, Fourth Form Cooler, and King Cold, and did you really see the livestream in time yesterday?!
1) He's a God so he's most likely unaffected by most things, he would likely simply be annoyed.

2) 5th Form Cooler is considerably stronger than Frieza and Cold so Gohan would most likely sacrifice himself against Cooler to protect Trunks.
1) Beerus was shown to be affected by Chronoa's cooking.

2) Even in his Fifth Form, Cooler would not be able to beat Super Saiyan Future Gohan.
1) Beerus' whole thing is food, though, it's just a gag scene. A serious guy like Black would most likely just shrug it off.

2) 5th form Cooler is stronger than Gohan. Trunks had already reached Gohan's level when he arrived to the past and Yardrat Goku was even stronger than him, Goku would have gotten even stronger than that training until the time Cooler arrived, plus he got a Zenkai in the movie which increased his power level to the extent that Cooler thought his Kaioken had enough power to beat Frieza. So, his base vs Cooler would be at least 7 million and his SSJ would be 350 million, so Cooler's 5th form is around ~280-300 million at least, which would be far above Gohan.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:02 am

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TheUltimateNinja wrote: 1) He's a God so he's most likely unaffected by most things, he would likely simply be annoyed.

2) 5th Form Cooler is considerably stronger than Frieza and Cold so Gohan would most likely sacrifice himself against Cooler to protect Trunks.
1) Beerus was shown to be affected by Chronoa's cooking.

2) Even in his Fifth Form, Cooler would not be able to beat Super Saiyan Future Gohan.
1) Beerus' whole thing is food, though, it's just a gag scene. A serious guy like Black would most likely just shrug it off.

2) 5th form Cooler is stronger than Gohan. Trunks had already reached Gohan's level when he arrived to the past and Yardrat Goku was even stronger than him, Goku would have gotten even stronger than that training until the time Cooler arrived, plus he got a Zenkai in the movie which increased his power level to the extent that Cooler thought his Kaioken had enough power to beat Frieza. So, his base vs Cooler would be at least 7 million and his SSJ would be 350 million, so Cooler's 5th form is around ~280-300 million at least, which would be far above Gohan.
1) Wrong, the cooking of the Supreme Kai of Time would render Goku Black incapacitated from stomach cramps.

2) Cooler would have needed to become Meta-Cooler in order to really be a threat to Super Saiyan Future Gohan.

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Re: General What-If thread

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Steven Bloodriver wrote:
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Steven Bloodriver wrote: 1) Beerus was shown to be affected by Chronoa's cooking.

2) Even in his Fifth Form, Cooler would not be able to beat Super Saiyan Future Gohan.
1) Beerus' whole thing is food, though, it's just a gag scene. A serious guy like Black would most likely just shrug it off.

2) 5th form Cooler is stronger than Gohan. Trunks had already reached Gohan's level when he arrived to the past and Yardrat Goku was even stronger than him, Goku would have gotten even stronger than that training until the time Cooler arrived, plus he got a Zenkai in the movie which increased his power level to the extent that Cooler thought his Kaioken had enough power to beat Frieza. So, his base vs Cooler would be at least 7 million and his SSJ would be 350 million, so Cooler's 5th form is around ~280-300 million at least, which would be far above Gohan.
1) Wrong, the cooking of the Supreme Kai of Time would render Goku Black incapacitated from stomach cramps.

2) Cooler would have needed to become Meta-Cooler in order to really be a threat to Super Saiyan Future Gohan.
1) Black is too OP for cooking to damage him. Even Future Zamasu can easily tank Chronoa's cooking.

2) Future Gohan lost to Future 17 who was using only 50% of his power, he's pretty weak.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:14 pm

What if Vegeta didn't fall for Semi-Perfect Cell's trick and killed him, rather than letting him absorb Lazuli?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:38 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Vegeta didn't fall for Semi-Perfect Cell's trick and killed him, rather than letting him absorb Lazuli?
Goku wouldn't die and Gohan wouldn't go SSJ2, SSJ3 probably wouldn't be discovered

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:34 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
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Sailor Haumea wrote:Didn't Babidi come to Earth because he detected high power levels? If they don't get strong enough, Babidi won't come.
But the threats following them would.
Well, yeah.

There's Broly, Lychee, Janemba, and Hirudegarn to take care of.

If King Kai lives, Bojack stays sealed away...
Well if we want to go by the main series enemies, Beerus probably won't bother to fight with Goku. Freeza probably never be that strong in a timeline where #17 & #18 never got awaken. No Buu = No Freeza training for four months. Goku and Vegeta would never train with Whis, meaning that we would never have the Champpa arc. Zamasu would never know about Goku and have no reason to hate mortals. Dabra and Babidi would show up later similar how they did in Trunks timeline.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:47 pm

What if Piccolo stayed in the after life after being killed in the Saiyan Arc?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:01 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
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Steven Bloodriver wrote: But the threats following them would.
Well, yeah.

There's Broly, Lychee, Janemba, and Hirudegarn to take care of.

If King Kai lives, Bojack stays sealed away...
Well if we want to go by the main series enemies, Beerus probably won't bother to fight with Goku. Freeza probably never be that strong in a timeline where #17 & #18 never got awaken. No Buu = No Freeza training for four months. Goku and Vegeta would never train with Whis, meaning that we would never have the Champpa arc. Zamasu would never know about Goku and have no reason to hate mortals. Dabra and Babidi would show up later similar how they did in Trunks timeline.
1) What if Son Goku, Vegeta, Son Gohan, Son Goten, Trunks, and Future Trunks discovered Super Saiyan 3 during the years following the Cell Games?

2) What if following the Majin Buu Saga, the six Saiyans then discovered Super Saiyan 4 around the time of the Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku And His Friends Return! Television Special?

3) What if these same Z Fighters then had participated in the Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Tournament For Earth Saga after receiving the same training Son Goku and Vegeta had gone through after both the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F Sagas?

4) What if Bardock in his Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 incarnation from after he had defeated Mira had been transported to when Goku Black was just about to kill Future Bulma? WIth the father of Goku managing to save her from the evil Demon of Despair?

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Oct 25, 2016 2:38 pm

What if Gohan went Pseudo Super Saiyan (25x boost) when Frieza shot a Death Beam through Piccolo?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Hellspawn28 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:58 pm

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Scenario A - 19 has no backup programming to respond to Gero being killed and thus is defeated by either Vegeta and/or Piccolo, ending the Android threat right then and there. Future Trunks might still find Gero's lab to shut down 17 and 18 in his timeline but he'd be killed by Cell without any training in the ROSAT. If Trunks finds no plans to take out 17 and 18, he could stay behind and train anyway thus possibly attaining enough power to kill the future Androids, Cell included.
Cell already travel back in time before Dr. Gero and #19 arrived. I think if Piccolo does not fused with Kami in Scenario A, Cell could find the Dragon Balls to restore Dr. Gero's lab and absorb #17 & #18 if they shut down #17 and #18 in the main timeline. If Kami does sense Cell and fuses Piccolo, I think Cell would try to blow himself up knowing that he travel into the past for nothing.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by ekrolo2 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:25 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Scenario A - 19 has no backup programming to respond to Gero being killed and thus is defeated by either Vegeta and/or Piccolo, ending the Android threat right then and there. Future Trunks might still find Gero's lab to shut down 17 and 18 in his timeline but he'd be killed by Cell without any training in the ROSAT. If Trunks finds no plans to take out 17 and 18, he could stay behind and train anyway thus possibly attaining enough power to kill the future Androids, Cell included.
Cell already travel back in time before Dr. Gero and #19 arrived. I think if Piccolo does not fused with Kami in Scenario A, Cell could find the Dragon Balls to restore Dr. Gero's lab and absorb #17 & #18 if they shut down #17 and #18 in the main timeline. If Kami does sense Cell and fuses Piccolo, I think Cell would try to blow himself up knowing that he travel into the past for nothing.
The Cell of Future Trunks' timeline would still grow up and kill him though.
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:34 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Gohan went Pseudo Super Saiyan (25x boost) when Frieza shot a Death Beam through Piccolo?
The evil Frieza would have had likely still caused Krillin to die before he would even notice the son of Goku having transformed into a False Super Saiyan, and because of his own cruel and sadistic ways, the monster would have had to deal with both Super Saiyan Goku and False Super Saiyan Gohan at the same time.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:38 pm

Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Gohan went Pseudo Super Saiyan (25x boost) when Frieza shot a Death Beam through Piccolo?
The evil Frieza would have had likely still caused Krillin to die before he would even notice the son of Goku having transformed into a False Super Saiyan, and because of his own cruel and sadistic ways, the monster would have had to deal with both Super Saiyan Goku and False Super Saiyan Gohan at the same time.
Would Frieza be able to destroy Namek?

Would Gohan let him reach full power?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Steven Bloodriver » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:43 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Gohan went Pseudo Super Saiyan (25x boost) when Frieza shot a Death Beam through Piccolo?
The evil Frieza would have had likely still caused Krillin to die before he would even notice the son of Goku having transformed into a False Super Saiyan, and because of his own cruel and sadistic ways, the monster would have had to deal with both Super Saiyan Goku and False Super Saiyan Gohan at the same time.
Would Frieza be able to destroy Namek?

Would Gohan let him reach full power?
1) No, for either Super Saiyan Goku or False Super Saiyan Gohan would have killed him.

2) With his rage unleashed in a near-blind fury, Gohan would have had killed Frieza in only seconds.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:55 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if Gohan went Pseudo Super Saiyan (25x boost) when Frieza shot a Death Beam through Piccolo?
Not much would change as Gohan would be too weak to make a difference.
Steven Bloodriver wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:
Steven Bloodriver wrote: The evil Frieza would have had likely still caused Krillin to die before he would even notice the son of Goku having transformed into a False Super Saiyan, and because of his own cruel and sadistic ways, the monster would have had to deal with both Super Saiyan Goku and False Super Saiyan Gohan at the same time.
Would Frieza be able to destroy Namek?

Would Gohan let him reach full power?
1) No, for either Super Saiyan Goku or False Super Saiyan Gohan would have killed him.

2) With his rage unleashed in a near-blind fury, Gohan would have had killed Frieza in only seconds.
1) FSSJ Gohan would get oneshotted by Frieza, he's much too weak to do anything.

2) Gohan's biggest rage boost against Frieza was at maximum only about 1.6 million or so, with FSSJ he would only be 40,000,000 even with rage boost, even 50% Frieza could wreck him easily.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:13 pm

What if, during Bardock's last stand, Gine fled Planet Vegeta in a pod?

What changes?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:29 pm

Sailor Haumea wrote:What if, during Bardock's last stand, Gine fled Planet Vegeta in a pod?

What changes?
Absolutely nothing, she ends up on some random planet and eventually dies.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:02 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Sailor Haumea wrote:What if, during Bardock's last stand, Gine fled Planet Vegeta in a pod?

What changes?
Absolutely nothing, she ends up on some random planet and eventually dies.
What if she goes to Earth?
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Re: General What-If thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:51 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:
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Sailor Haumea wrote:What if, during Bardock's last stand, Gine fled Planet Vegeta in a pod?

What changes?
Absolutely nothing, she ends up on some random planet and eventually dies.
What if she goes to Earth?
Not much changes, maybe she eventually finds Goku.

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Re: General What-If thread

Post by Sailor Haumea » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:47 pm

Another what-if!:

What if Goku, Suno, and Eighter had gone to Dr. Gero, rather than Dr. Flappe, to get Eighter's bomb removed?
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