zamasu121 wrote:i thought this was fake at first but than i remembered that when the episode leaks came out not to long ago i think the same source mentioned episode 66 title being about goku and vegeta fusion.
so i think there is a chance this might be real
No that particular "leak" was completely false they took it from a previous Z episode word for word and added something about Trunks in to imply a three way fusion. A lot of people have predicated Goku & Vegeta to fuse so some jackass putting it as an episode title and spinning it as "legit" proves nothing.
i know about the fact that it was taken from a dbz episode but i never seen anything about trunks added
would you mind giving me a link to that?
This is really interesting and it tells us more about Toei, Toyotarou and Toriyama's relationship concerning Super.
I guess this somewhat confirms we'll have a Toei original arc after this one? Or Toyotarou will rush.
I think it was confirmed that the next story created by Toriyama will happened in January. So most likely, the manga will be rushed. It ready skipped over Goku meeting Zamasu and the entire time loop plot.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
This is really interesting and it tells us more about Toei, Toyotarou and Toriyama's relationship concerning Super.
I guess this somewhat confirms we'll have a Toei original arc after this one? Or Toyotarou will rush.
I think it was confirmed that the next story created by Toriyama will happened in January. So most likely, the manga will be rushed. It ready skipped over Goku meeting Zamasu and the entire time loop plot.
So the next arc after this is one by Toei and the following is a Toriyama one is that character? I'm not able to watch it right now so it be nice if you could clarify. Thanks.
What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?
At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.
A very interesting quote. He might be about to rush ahead, or the anime may be about to go into quite a bit of filler. Who knows, maybe it'll even be both. We've already speculated that Toyotarou might rewrite the arc a little bit so that there'll be one less trip to the future. The anime may go into another Copy Vegeta-like arc, only one that's longer than 3 episodes this time.
Or maybe the anime is about spend some time bridging the gap to EoZ, while Toyotarou just points us to the original Dragon Ball manga and then continues on afterwards? Probably not.
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1. I am pretty sure this interview will be torn apart to misinterprete how much Toyble is involved and lessen his involvement to claim even more that the Manga is closer to the draft even though he did not say that and he basically just said "We keep the essential plot but we write how that happens and all around it".
2. I would really like to know if that was an almost-confession about him being Toyble as he spoke about Spin-Offs. Of course he might just have "officially meant" Heroes and the F Manga and all but I had to keep thinking about AF. Basically a sequel, but who cares the terms here, I guess.
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"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Nothing really new. This just confirms that Toriyama's plot outline is extremely basic and Toyotaro has to fill in the blinks when reaching point A to point B in the overall plot of an given arc. So in reality, the manga isn't any more faithful to Toriyama's plot outline than the Super anime is, or vice versa. The writing team for the anime and Toyotoro both have to be very creative when filling in the blanks from one major plot point to another.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
THEGOKU wrote: So the next arc after this is one by Toei and the following is a Toriyama one is that character? I'm not able to watch it right now so it be nice if you could clarify. Thanks.
We don't know. We're not even know when this current arc ends. I can see breather episodes, but I doubt it will be two months' worth. The Champa Saga had six breather episodes, which is about a month and a half.
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Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Nothing really new. This just confirms that Toriyama's plot outline is extremely basic and Toyotaro has to fill in the blinks when reaching point A to point B in the overall plot of an given arc. So in reality, the manga isn't any more faithful to Toriyama's plot outline than the Super anime is, or vice versa. The writing team for the anime and Toyotoro both have to be very creative when filling in the blanks from one major plot point to another.
How does the interview confirmes that?
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
Because Toyble said they just get what the essential part of the story is and that both he and the anime team have to add the rest. Also he says Toriyama-san does care way less about correcting story than gag elements, furthermore strengthening that he does not take the story that seriously.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Nothing really new. This just confirms that Toriyama's plot outline is extremely basic and Toyotaro has to fill in the blinks when reaching point A to point B in the overall plot of an given arc. So in reality, the manga isn't any more faithful to Toriyama's plot outline than the Super anime is, or vice versa. The writing team for the anime and Toyotoro both have to be very creative when filling in the blanks from one major plot point to another.
How does the interview confirmes that?
What I receive from Toriyama is literally words on paper, without drawings or anything. So when I'm reading it, I have to fill in the blanks as far as the specifics are concerned. I think of what kinds of expressions the characters wear, which way they're looking when they say a certain line. Many times, Toriyama-sensei doesn't give me specific feedback on the details that I fill in, so I put a lot of thought into those aspects, knowing that my interpretation is what the readers will see.
Fundamentally, I don't deviate from the major plotlines that Toriyama's laid down. As far as the plot getting from A to B, that's written as Toriyama it lays down. But as far as the details between those plot points, I'm free to fill them in myself.
At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
I see, about what I figure, especially since Toriyama gave the anime staff a lot of creative license for Resurrection 'F'.
At least now we can stop the BS about what is more 'canon' than the other or what has Toriyama's involvement the most. Which you like better is all down to which interpretation you like. And we can say both the manga and anime has 'filler' since Toriyama wasn't forthcoming how A to B happened, and both the manga and anime are filling events.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
THEGOKU wrote:I'd really hate for that to happen. This is such a great Arc and in terms of actually being able to sit and read the manga I would be let down. I'd like to read it as a reason other than to have the manga itself and never read it because the arc was cut short.
This ^
Toyotaro can't do that, there are too many things that the anime didn't explain that the manga could clear to us
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
THEGOKU wrote:I'd really hate for that to happen. This is such a great Arc and in terms of actually being able to sit and read the manga I would be let down. I'd like to read it as a reason other than to have the manga itself and never read it because the arc was cut short.
This ^
Toyotaro can't do that, there are too many things that the anime didn't explain that the manga could clear to us
But the manga and the anime are not the same continuity. What is explained in the manga is only for the manga unless it's in the outline.
Kanassa wrote:
precita wrote:Goku will still be around but take a Buu saga approach backseat.
Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.
With this I am relatively sure that apart from "because of time travel stuff" really Toei and Toyble had the job of making the Zamas time influence story. Maybe they had a few few few things to work with for that but not too many. Fine for me. Seems to come close to what I expect what the Goku VS Hit battle was like.
"Citation needed."
"too lazy
feel free to take it with grain of salt or discredit me altogether, I'm not losing any sleep"
Given how much effort Toei have put in this arc makes sense to have a powered done ehh looking Toei original episodes. And have the Manga jump ahead for a few chapters to get people excited in the meantime ala skipping the F arc and jumping into U6 tied us over while that PoS arc was going on. Makes sense if that's what's going on and I hope that's exactly the case. Anime will definitely catch up and over take eventually so it's not a problem getting spoiled earlier on.
I doubt the manga will skip anything or rush that much. There's a lot of things the manga doesn't need that the anime had. Gohan episode could be scrapped away and have no influence, the last episode before going into the future where it's 80% eating and doubting Beerus could go pretty fast.
There's so many redundancies in the anime. Add the x episodes of filler we'll have and it's ahead.
I'm afraid of the filler, I love the slice of life episodes but I'm scared if they try to produce an actual arc.
I just can't understand the part that the Anime fills in when manga is behind and vica versa. Why? Can't they just follow Toriyama's outcome and if its not clear just creat your own.
Pannaliciour wrote:I just can't understand the part that the Anime fills in when manga is behind and vica versa. Why? Can't they just follow Toriyama's outcome and if its not clear just creat your own.
What are you talking about? They both follow the outline. If you're asking why Toei creates filler, it's to fill time. If you cut the filler out (or at least the irrelevant parts that we can assume is filler), each arc would only last a few episodes.
Probably not. 
