Your personal canon (AGAIN!)

[Captain Strawberry]

Because it's better than the garbage called Dragon Ball Minus - the worst thing Toriyama has ever written.

In fact, Minus is my least favorite part of the franchise.

Just because it made Bardock seem less 'cool'?

No, because everything about it is stupid.

Read Kunzait's post about Minus, and you'll see what I mean.

You could link it to me... pretty peas

[Sailor Haumea]

Just because it made Bardock seem less 'cool'?

No, because everything about it is stupid.

Read Kunzait's post about Minus, and you'll see what I mean.

You could link it to me... pretty peas

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[Sailor Haumea]

So am I correct in saying that there is no way to fit Super Android 13! into the anime timeline?

It has to be before they destroy the laboratory basement (because the supercomputer created the Android trio), but at that time, Goku is still sick from the heart virus.

Essentially, Movie 7 and Movie 12 (which Shin Budokai replaces anyway) are the only movies that cannot, in any capacity, feasibly fit into canon?

[sintzu]

So am I correct in saying that there is no way to fit Super Android 13! into the anime timeline ? It has to be before they destroy the laboratory basement but at that time, Goku is still sick from the heart virus.

Essentially, Movie 7 and Movie 12 are the only movies that cannot, in any capacity, feasibly fit into canon?

7 can take place after Goku gets Vegeta to go in the ROSAT but before they get there Goku decides to take everyone shopping and eating.

The lab can be another one that they missed, one below the one Trunks and Krillin destroyed.

Movie 12 and 11 are the ones that don't fit anywhere.

[spoiler]1 takes place before Raditz arrives.

2,3,4&5 take place during the 3 year wait for the androids and if you don't count Dende's scene in 6 then that can also take place there cause we know Vegeta reached Ssj in space so he could've went to Namek after hearing about a problem from Bulma and no one other than Goku saw him go Ssj so it doesn't go against everyone being surprised when he transformed against #19.

7 takes place before Vegeta and Trunks go into the ROSAT.

8 takes place during the 10 day wait for the Cell games.

9 takes place after the Cell games.

10 takes place before the 25th Tenkaichi.

11&12 are alternate timeline movies, 11 where Buu never shows up and 12 where Buu is either killed by Ssj3 Goku or Ssj Gotenks.

13 takes place after the battle with Kid Buu.[/spoiler]

[Sailor Haumea]

So am I correct in saying that there is no way to fit Super Android 13! into the anime timeline ? It has to be before they destroy the laboratory basement but at that time, Goku is still sick from the heart virus.

Essentially, Movie 7 and Movie 12 are the only movies that cannot, in any capacity, feasibly fit into canon?

7 can take place after Goku gets Vegeta to go in the ROSAT but before they get there Goku decides to take everyone shopping and eating.

The lab can be another one that they missed, one below the one Trunks and Krillin destroyed.

Movie 12 and 11 are the ones that don't fit anywhere.

[spoiler]1 takes place before Raditz arrives.

2,3,4&5 take place during the 3 year wait for the androids and if you don't count Dende's scene in 6 then that can also take place there cause we know Vegeta reached Ssj in space so he could've went to Namek after hearing about a problem from Bulma and no one other than Goku saw him go Ssj so it doesn't go against everyone being surprised when he transformed against #19.

7 takes place before Vegeta and Trunks go into the ROSAT.

8 takes place during the 10 day wait for the Cell games.

9 takes place after the Cell games.

10 takes place before the 25th Tenkaichi.

11&12 are alternate timeline movies, 11 where Buu never shows up and 12 where Buu is either killed by Ssj3 Goku or Ssj Gotenks.

13 takes place after the battle with Kid Buu.[/spoiler]

11 can fit, see a few posts earlier.

12 can be replaced by Shin Budokai, anyway.

Good catch on Movie 7.

Between which episodes (uncut) would you fit Movie 7?

[sintzu]

Between which episodes (uncut) would you fit Movie 7?

We can't cause the events it fits between both happen in one episode.

[Sailor Haumea]

Between which episodes (uncut) would you fit Movie 7?

We can't cause the events it fits between both happen in one episode.

Oh.

Which episode would it fit during, then?

I typically have Movie 8-Hatchiyack OVA-Movie 6, all between episodes 173 and 174. That way, they're not doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT WALKING AROUND for a few days.

Could The Real 4-D fit anywhere? That one is...weird.

[sintzu]

Which episode would it fit during, then?

I typically have Movie 8-Hatchiyack OVA-Movie 6, all between episodes 173 and 174.

Could The Real 4-D fit anywhere? That one is...weird.

During Z 147 and Kai 72.

Gohan was younger and not a Ssj during 6 while he was between those episodes so it can't fit there.

That would fit somewhere during the 10 days before the Cell games.

[Sailor Haumea]

Which episode would it fit during, then?

I typically have Movie 8-Hatchiyack OVA-Movie 6, all between episodes 173 and 174.

Could The Real 4-D fit anywhere? That one is...weird.

During Z 147 and Kai 72.

Gohan was younger and not a Ssj during 6 while he was between those episodes so it can't fit there.

That would fit somewhere during the 10 days before the Cell games.

The problem with 6 is that in that movie, they know where New Namek is.

So it has to be after episode 173. Otherwise, Goku has no reason to visit King Kai to learn where the planet is.

[sintzu]

The problem with 6 is that in that movie, they know where New Namek is.

So it has to be after episode 173. Otherwise, Goku has no reason to visit King Kai to learn where the planet is.

All the movies have things that go against the main story so there's no way to get a perfect fit.

If it's set during the 3 year wait then it goes against Dende not being the gaurdian and Goku not knowing where Namek is.

If it's set where you put it than it goes against Gohan's age.

[Travis Touchdown]

So am I correct in saying that there is no way to fit Super Android 13! into the anime timeline?

Knew I forgot something

[spoiler]My (redacted) Expanded Universe Canon

Bardock: The Father of Goku
Episode of Bardock (anime)
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Jiya
Dr. Slump & Arale
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Dead Zone (right before Z)
The History of Trunks (right after Garlic Jr. Saga)
The World's Strongest (3 year wait before androids)
The Tree of Might (3 year wait before androids)
Lord Slug (3 year wait before androids)
Cooler's Revenge (3 year wait before androids)
Super Android 13 (3 year wait before androids)
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan (10 day wait for Cell Games)
The Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans (10 day wait for Cell Games)
Bojack Unleashed (post Cell Saga)
Broly: Second Coming (month wait for Tenkaichi Budokai)
Bio-Broly (immediately following Goku's return to the afterlife
Wrath of the Dragon (post Buu Saga)
Shin Budokai
Son Goku & Friends Return (anime)
Dragon Ball Super
Neko Majin Z
Dragon Ball GT (this is subject to change following the conclusion of Super)
Dragon Ball XV[/spoiler]

[Sailor Haumea]

So am I correct in saying that there is no way to fit Super Android 13! into the anime timeline?

Knew I forgot something

[spoiler]My (redacted) Expanded Universe Canon

Bardock: The Father of Goku
Episode of Bardock (anime)
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Jiya
Dr. Slump & Arale
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Dead Zone (right before Z)
The History of Trunks (right after Garlic Jr. Saga)
The World's Strongest (3 year wait before androids)
The Tree of Might (3 year wait before androids)
Lord Slug (3 year wait before androids)
Cooler's Revenge (3 year wait before androids)
Super Android 13 (3 year wait before androids)
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan (10 day wait for Cell Games)
The Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans (10 day wait for Cell Games)
Bojack Unleashed (post Cell Saga)
Broly: Second Coming (month wait for Tenkaichi Budokai)
Bio-Broly (immediately following Goku's return to the afterlife
Wrath of the Dragon (post Buu Saga)
Shin Budokai
Son Goku & Friends Return (anime)
Dragon Ball Super
Neko Majin Z
Dragon Ball GT (this is subject to change following the conclusion of Super)
Dragon Ball XV[/spoiler]

SA13 can't be in the three year wait.

We see Lapis kill Gero at the beginning of the movie.

It could fit during episode 147, between when Goku tells Vegeta and Trunks about the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and when they enter it, or during the ten-day wait for the Cell Games.

Likewise, I'd put Return of Cooler between episodes 173 and 174. Even if Gohan's age is off, that's where it makes the most sense.

Placing it during the wait for the androids doesn't make sense as if that was the case, Goku would already know where New Namek is.

[Sailor Haumea]

Here's my personal canon:

[spoiler]Sand Land
Wonder Island
Go! Go! Ackman
Dub & Peter 1
Today's Highlight Island
Jiya
Bardock - the Father of Goku
Episode of Bardock (anime)
Kintoki
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman (without Minus)
Pink - The Rain Jack Story
Tomato, Girl Detective
Dr. Slump and Arale-chan
Dragon Ball (anime)
Dead Zone (one year before DBZ)
Dragon Ball Z (anime)
The World's Strongest (three-year wait for the androids)
Tree of Might (three-year wait)
Lord Slug (three-year wait)
Cooler's Revenge (three-year wait)
History of Trunks (alternate timeline)
Super Android 13 (during episode 147)
Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan (ten-day wait for Cell Games)
Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans (ten-day wait)
V.R.V.S. (ten-day wait)
The Real 4-D (ten-day wait)
The Return of Cooler (between episodes 173 and 174)
Bojack Unbound (between episodes 194 and 195)
Dr. Mashirito and Abale-chan (seven-year timeskip)
Broly - Second Coming (shortly before WMAT)
Bio-Broly (during the time when the others are on the ship OR after Goku returns to Other World)
Wrath of the Dragon (after Buu Saga)
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return (after Buu Saga)
Shin Budokai (after Buu Saga)
Dragon Ball Super (anime)
Super Collaboration Special (between BoG Saga and RoF Saga)
Sachie-chan Guu! (during ten-year timeskip)
Neko Majin
Dragon Ball GT
A Hero's Legacy
Ultimate Tenkaichi
Xenoverse
Xenoverse 2[/spoiler]

[Lord Frieza]

Ok In order

The base line of the series.

The Bardock Special + Gine from DB Minus as Goku and Radtiz's mother.

Jaco The Galactic Patrolmen

Dragon Ball Era

Dragon Ball Z Era

History of Trunks Special

Dragon Ball Super

Fare Future - a personal amalgam of 'dragon Ball online and xenoverse/parts of Heroes story relating to Mira and the demon realm.

Divergent Future

Dragon Ball GT: I personally view Super as the true continuation of the series. GT was created due to changes in the time line created by the Time Breakers.

Divergent Timelines

All the Movies: Deviations in the timelines resulting from Time Breaker changes.

Ignored Material

Everything from Dragon Ball Minus besides Gine.

[Travis Touchdown]

So am I correct in saying that there is no way to fit Super Android 13! into the anime timeline?

Knew I forgot something

[spoiler]My (redacted) Expanded Universe Canon

Bardock: The Father of Goku
Episode of Bardock (anime)
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman
Jiya
Dr. Slump & Arale
Dragon Ball
Dragon Ball Z
Dead Zone (right before Z)
The History of Trunks (right after Garlic Jr. Saga)
The World's Strongest (3 year wait before androids)
The Tree of Might (3 year wait before androids)
Lord Slug (3 year wait before androids)
Cooler's Revenge (3 year wait before androids)
Super Android 13 (3 year wait before androids)
Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan (10 day wait for Cell Games)
The Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans (10 day wait for Cell Games)
Bojack Unleashed (post Cell Saga)
Broly: Second Coming (month wait for Tenkaichi Budokai)
Bio-Broly (immediately following Goku's return to the afterlife
Wrath of the Dragon (post Buu Saga)
Shin Budokai
Son Goku & Friends Return (anime)
Dragon Ball Super
Neko Majin Z
Dragon Ball GT (this is subject to change following the conclusion of Super)
Dragon Ball XV[/spoiler]

SA13 can't be in the three year wait.

We see Lapis kill Gero at the beginning of the movie.

I always looked at that prologue as that was what everyone was under the impression of based on what Trunks had warned them about when in reality he was being converted into Android 20, and during his conversion his computer released 13, 14, & 15.

[Yalos]

Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball Manga, Super Anime, Bojack Unbound, Warth of Dragon, Dead Zone, First Bardock Movie, History of Trunks, Son Goku and Friend return and the end of Z.

[szopman]

Movie 7 can fit if we assume it takes place in this unseen 4th alternate timeline, from which Trunks (from Cell's timeline) returned to Cell's world before he got killed by Cell

Movies 2-3, 6 and 12 are totally impossible to take place in series' timeline. Especially 12th DB movie
And movie 11... hmm. Probably (and technically) it could fit, but It would be very strange that the guys just hang out during the Buu crisis. But if you ignore the fact that Buu is destroying hundreds of people somewhere on earth when the events of these movie take place, you can say it fit.

PS
My personal canon is:
-Dragon Ball/Z/Kai (manga/anime) - both Z and Kai are considered by me as canon, but personally I prefer "Kai" with some filler-episodes in between.
-DBZ Movies 1,5,8,9,10,13, Plan to destroy Saiyans, Bardock - the father of Goku, History of Trunks, "Yo Goku and his friends return", Episode od Bardock and One Piece/DBZ/Toriko cross over.
-Dragon Ball Super manga
-DB Super anime - Universe 6 and Future Trunks' Sagas. movies > series' retelling. I hate this episode that poorly re-create this awesome movies and this episodes are non-canon to me. So if u ask me, Piccolo did;t die during Gold Frieza crisis
-Dragon Ball GT + Goku Jr's special
-DBZ Movie 7 - as alternate timeline which was't seen in the series, but was mentioned by Cell and the events of this movie would fit perfectly into this mentioned timeline

[Quantum-Kakarrotto]

Okay, my personal canon(s) might be a little tricky but let's see.

Manga Canon
- Jaco The Galactic Patrolman
- Dragon Ball Minus
- Dragon Ball Manga (Chapter 1-517)
- Dragon Ball Super Manga (Chapters 1-4)
- Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F Manga Promotion
- Dragon Ball Super (Chapters 5-Finish)
- Dragon Ball Manga (Chapter 518 & 519)

Anime Canon 1
- Bardock: Father of Goku
- Dragon Ball
- Dragon Ball Z (Saiyan-Frieza Arc)
- History of Trunks
- Dragon Ball Z (Trunks Arc)
- Movie 5: Cooler's Revenge
- Dragon Ball Z (Artificial Humans-Cell Arc)
- Movie 9: Bojack Unbound
- Dragon Ball Z (Otherworld-Buu Arc)
- Movie 13: Wrath of the Dragon
- Yo Son Goku & Friends Return
- 10 years later
- Dragon Ball GT
- Goku Jr. Special

Anime Canon 2 (The tricky part)
- Episode of Bardock
- Bardock: Father of Goku
- Dragon Ball
- Dragon Ball Kai (Saiyan to Frieza)
- History of Trunks
- Dragon Ball Kai (Artificial Humans-Cell Arc)
- Dragon Ball Kai Final Chapters (Buu arc)
- Dragon Ball Super
- Final Chapters (10 years later)

I don't know why, but I like to think that Bardock's time traveling created a new anime timeline that introduces the new series like Super. I have more canons when it comes to Video Games like Xenoverse & Xenoverse 2, but I've already made this post long.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I used to make a divide between the "Toriyama Canon and the "TOEI Canon", but now that Toyataro is deeply involved with the main storyline its even more complicated so the best I could do was split it between four canons in no particular order except for the first one being the most important.

Original Manga Canon : Dragon Ball volumes 1-42 as published by Shonen Jump from 1984-1995

Revised Manga Canon : Dragon Ball Kanzenban, Jaco + Dragon Ball Minus, Unreleased Dragon Ball Super story outline, Dragon Ball Super manga and Resurrection F promotional manga

Original Anime Canon : Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT anime series, Dragon Ball movies 1-4, Dragon Ball Z movies 1-13, specials, pre-2008 OVAs

Revised Anime Canon : Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball Kai, Dragon Ball Super, all movies, specials and OVAs

I don't know why, but I like to think that Bardock's time traveling created a new anime timeline that introduces the new series like Super.

I like this idea too. I would go as far as to say the problems with each respective canon is down to someone travelling through time and screwing with it.

[Sailor Haumea]

Only Bulma's time machine creates alternate timelines, as it's imperfect.

Bardock's time travel is a bootstrap paradox. I prefer to think that it's an event that is always fated to happen.