Which dragon is more powerful, Ultimate or Super Shenron?

[Sailor Haumea]

I'm just wondering which of the two dragons (Ultimate Shenron and Super Shenron) is the more powerful one.

I would assume Super Shenron is, but given it's made pretty clear Ultimate Shenron is so powerful that only he can reverse his own wishes, maybe Ultimate Shenron is stronger?

[saunasolmu]

Super Shenron can grant literally any wish. It also is bigger than a cluster of galaxies. I'm betting on that dragon.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Ultimate Shenron is a joke to Super Shenron.

[szopman]

1) Ultimate Shenron was created by Piccolo ("Kamiccolo") and it's still the Earth dragon balls' shenron The Super Shenron is above all shenrons, I think.
2) Super Shenron is much bigger, and can grant any wish.
3) Black star DBs spread across the whole U7 universe. Super DBs spread across both U6 and U7 universes


I think that Ultimate Shenron may be more powerful than normal Shenron and Paring, but no way he's more powerful than Super Shenron That's my opinion

[Lord Beerus]

Super Shenron. He can literally do anything.

[Hellspawn28]

Goku going SSj4 broke the spell that the wish that Pilaf made for turning Goku into a little kid. Super Shenron seems to be much stronger.

[dragonballhero]

Yeah, all things taken into consideration, I'm going to go with Super Shenron over Ultimate Shenron.



Hmm...hey, guys. What if the next DB series is called "Dragon Ball Ultimate"? Heck, it could serve as the hypothetical "GT reboot"...

[Sailor Haumea]

Yeah, all things taken into consideration, I'm going to go with Super Shenron over Ultimate Shenron.



Hmm...hey, guys. What if the next DB series is called "Dragon Ball Ultimate"? Heck, it could serve as the hypothetical "GT reboot"...

I'd be happy with a remake with the same plot, but adjusted to be fully compatible with Super. For instance, Kibito Kai is replaced by Supreme Kai, Beerus, Whis, etc. cameo occasionally, the Pilaf Gang aren't old, etc..

Basically, just changing minor things and remastering the series.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Super Shenron. He can literally do anything.

Ultimate Shenron could as well.

Providing if he wasn't weakened like in Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi...

[Nejishiki]

Ultimate Shenron could as well.

Providing if he wasn't weakened like in Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi...

That's never stated.

That's never stated. They're just said to be more powerful than the other dragon balls because the child of Katatz made them before splitting up into God and Piccolo. Dragon balls can never grant wishes that exceed the power of their creator. The ultimate dragon balls had a more powerful creator, so they can apparently grant wishes the other sets of dragon balls can't. But their creator still wasn't all-powerful, so there's probably plenty of stuff they can't do. Somone probably couldn't wish to kill, say, Super Saiyan 4 Goku or anything like that, just like Oolong couldn't wish for Shenlong to take care of Vegeta and Nappa back in the Saiyan arc.

Super Shen Long continues to reign supreme.

[Lord Frieza]

Well in the passed a dragons power could be judged by its size in comparison to it fellows. If that rule still applies then I'm going to with the Golden Dragon who's about the size of a universe!

Seriously comparing the power of Ultimate and Super is like trying to compare Radtiz to Beerus! The difference in power is beyond ridicules!

[dragonballhero]

Yeah, all things taken into consideration, I'm going to go with Super Shenron over Ultimate Shenron.



Hmm...hey, guys. What if the next DB series is called "Dragon Ball Ultimate"? Heck, it could serve as the hypothetical "GT reboot"...

I'd be happy with a remake with the same plot, but adjusted to be fully compatible with Super. For instance, Kibito Kai is replaced by Supreme Kai, Beerus, Whis, etc. cameo occasionally, the Pilaf Gang aren't old, etc..

Basically, just changing minor things and remastering the series.

And actually make ESPECIALLY GOOD use of the unique plots seen in the Black Star DBs arc (I wish they could tell the stories...a little better... Also, now that we have 12 universes...Also, no Kid Goku this time please. Wasn't totally a big fan of the whole limitations they gave Goku, not to mention taking away his adulthood like that felt really bothersome to me.)

Baby arc (make Baby more..."unique" from beginning to end, rather than turn him into a total Frieza rehash partway through, and I can't help but feel like this arc would have been THE opportune arc in terms of giving Pan the Super Saiyan form.)

Super 17 arc (Get a totally new villain for this arc. It felt a little...forced to me that 17 was being used without much fanfare, not to mention that of all things they use the one android who is more liable to rebel against them? Seems like an intentional design flaw, if you ask me.)

Shadow Dragons arc (Give the Shadow Dragons more depth, and don't have them all be so laser-guided on Goku. The others are just as responsible for using DBs as he was. I'm not going to lie, it REALLY irked me how the Evil Dragons kept claiming that ONLY Goku was solely responsible when we all know that is NOT the case. Have them act in a slightly more "Legion of Doom" way, at least going after EVERYONE who's worked with Goku and/or used the Dragon Balls aside from him, alongside destroying the Earth and actually pose a real challenge to the others in the event that it becomes the case.)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Speaking of Shadow Dragons, what if some were formed from the Super DBs? Wouldn't that be totally badass?

[dragonballhero]

Speaking of Shadow Dragons, what if some were formed from the Super DBs? Wouldn't that be totally badass?

Oh, yeah! Totally! The Shadow Dragons, infused with the power of the Super DBs? That'd probably be the greatest battle yet!

Heck, an arc like that could be a mix of both the original Shadow Dragons arc and Black Star DBs arc. Basically, the Evil Dragons, born from the Super DBs, could actually wreak havoc across Universe 7 and Universe 6, forcing Goku and the gang to travel between the two universes to stop their evil before they completely wipe out both of them out. It would even give us a chance to explore Universes 7 and 6 in depth. What do you think?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Speaking of Shadow Dragons, what if some were formed from the Super DBs? Wouldn't that be totally badass?

Oh, yeah! Totally! The Shadow Dragons, infused with the power of the Super DBs? That'd probably be the greatest battle yet!

Heck, an arc like that could be a mix of both the original Shadow Dragons arc and Black Star DBs arc. Basically, the Evil Dragons, born from the Super DBs, could actually wreak havoc across Universe 7 and Universe 6, forcing Goku and the gang to travel between the two universes to stop their evil before they completely wipe out both of them out. It would even give us a chance to explore Universes 7 and 6 in depth. What do you think?

They could actually Beerus tier since given that they're Godly DBs it stands to reason that the Shadow Dragons would possess that same level of power.

[Lord Frieza]

Speaking of Shadow Dragons, what if some were formed from the Super DBs? Wouldn't that be totally badass?

Oh, yeah! Totally! The Shadow Dragons, infused with the power of the Super DBs? That'd probably be the greatest battle yet!

Heck, an arc like that could be a mix of both the original Shadow Dragons arc and Black Star DBs arc. Basically, the Evil Dragons, born from the Super DBs, could actually wreak havoc across Universe 7 and Universe 6, forcing Goku and the gang to travel between the two universes to stop their evil before they completely wipe out both of them out. It would even give us a chance to explore Universes 7 and 6 in depth. What do you think?

They could actually Beerus tier since given that they're Godly DBs it stands to reason that the Shadow Dragons would possess that same level of power.

Forget their power, think of their SIZE! Using the earths dragon balls as a rough guide the smallest of these Super Shadow Dragons would still be bigger then a planet! While others would likely be bigger then stars or even solar systems!

[TheUltimateNinja]

Oh, yeah! Totally! The Shadow Dragons, infused with the power of the Super DBs? That'd probably be the greatest battle yet!

Heck, an arc like that could be a mix of both the original Shadow Dragons arc and Black Star DBs arc. Basically, the Evil Dragons, born from the Super DBs, could actually wreak havoc across Universe 7 and Universe 6, forcing Goku and the gang to travel between the two universes to stop their evil before they completely wipe out both of them out. It would even give us a chance to explore Universes 7 and 6 in depth. What do you think?

They could actually Beerus tier since given that they're Godly DBs it stands to reason that the Shadow Dragons would possess that same level of power.

Forget their power, think of their SIZE! Using the earths dragon balls as a rough guide the smallest of these Super Shadow Dragons would still be bigger then a planet! While others would likely be bigger then stars or even solar systems!

That wouldn't come across well in the animation, especially in fights. It's hard to convey scale in cosmic sized entities vs regular sized people. It would look badass in still shots, though.

[Lord Frieza]

They could actually Beerus tier since given that they're Godly DBs it stands to reason that the Shadow Dragons would possess that same level of power.

Forget their power, think of their SIZE! Using the earths dragon balls as a rough guide the smallest of these Super Shadow Dragons would still be bigger then a planet! While others would likely be bigger then stars or even solar systems!

That wouldn't come across well in the animation, especially in fights. It's hard to convey scale in cosmic sized entities vs regular sized people. It would look badass in still shots, though.

After I types this I thought that maybe you could have a least one of the dragons human size, who travels around on his corrupted dragon ball and draws energy from it.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Forget their power, think of their SIZE! Using the earths dragon balls as a rough guide the smallest of these Super Shadow Dragons would still be bigger then a planet! While others would likely be bigger then stars or even solar systems!

That wouldn't come across well in the animation, especially in fights. It's hard to convey scale in cosmic sized entities vs regular sized people. It would look badass in still shots, though.

After I types this I thought that maybe you could have a least one of the dragons human size, who travels around on his corrupted dragon ball and draws energy from it.

Maybe the only way to beat the Dragon is to blow up the dragon ball, and you have awesome fights on the dragon ball and a reversal of that Goku vs Vegeta scene where this time Goku is the one trying to destroy the planet and the Dragon is trying to defend it.

[Lord Frieza]

That wouldn't come across well in the animation, especially in fights. It's hard to convey scale in cosmic sized entities vs regular sized people. It would look badass in still shots, though.

After I types this I thought that maybe you could have a least one of the dragons human size, who travels around on his corrupted dragon ball and draws energy from it.

Maybe the only way to beat the Dragon is to blow up the dragon ball, and you have awesome fights on the dragon ball and a reversal of that Goku vs Vegeta scene where this time Goku is the one trying to destroy the planet and the Dragon is trying to defend it.

That would be cool and a real dilemma, to beat the dragon he has to blow up the dragon ball but he needs them to fix the damage the dragons have done as it spans across two universe and is beyond any others power to fix.