"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Well Goku Black and Zamasu have shown an intense amount of desperation when it comes to victory. They really take winning and especially "not losing" very seriously. The fact that they fight together as well as cheating by backstabbing others with ki swords EVEN THOUGH one of them is immortal and the other one can only get stronger and has fast healing powers prove just how desperate they really are. It's the complete opposite of the whole "saiyan pride" thing that Vegeta was always talking about. By fighting alone and not accepting any help at all.

That isn't being desperate or ' cheating'. It's called being pragmatic. Black and Zamasu takes full advantage of the tools they have. Future Zamasu is an immortal, so they use him as a meat shield. They fight stronger together, so they fight together. They're not Saiyans, so why would they care about a Saiyan's honor code.

[Noah]

It's fusion of the pair what are you expecting?

Something more unique of course.

[Venus]

While I agree that Merged Zamasu (Zamack as how I like to call him) has a pretty simple design, it doesn't means his design looks bad, let's remember that Black Goku is just another Zamasu, which fused with his alternate future self.

[Cipher]

That isn't being desperate or ' cheating'. It's called being pragmatic. Black and Zamasu takes full advantage of the tools they have. Future Zamasu is an immortal, so they use him as a meat shield. They fight stronger together, so they fight together. They're not Saiyans, so why would they care about a Saiyan's honor code.

I think they were just pointing out that it's a change from previous supervillains, who all at one point or another were egotistical enough about their power and/or reputation to privilege a one-on-one fight.

Piccolo Daimao was really the last time we had a villain pragmatic enough to want to keep himself away from threats and not be concerned with proving himself stronger in an even match.

[GodVegetto91]

Well Goku Black and Zamasu have shown an intense amount of desperation when it comes to victory. They really take winning and especially "not losing" very seriously. The fact that they fight together as well as cheating by backstabbing others with ki swords EVEN THOUGH one of them is immortal and the other one can only get stronger and has fast healing powers prove just how desperate they really are. It's the complete opposite of the whole "saiyan pride" thing that Vegeta was always talking about. By fighting alone and not accepting any help at all.

That isn't being desperate or ' cheating'. It's called being pragmatic. Black and Zamasu takes full advantage of the tools they have. Future Zamasu is an immortal, so they use him as a meat shield. They fight stronger together, so they fight together. They're not Saiyans, so why would they care about a Saiyan's honor code.

Look i'm not complaining, i'm just pointing out the obvious. I don't mind them using the best of their abilities for their own survival.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Holy Freaking Shit! That french dbz site just posted some spoilers.

I used Google Translate from French to English to see what it just said!

Goku Black et Zamasu ont fusionné avec les Potaras !! Un corps immortel combiné à une capacité de combat surpuissante en font un ennemi redoutable !! Mais surtout, Zamasu fusionné peut émettre un 'Mur de Lumière' qui fait disparaître tout ce qu'il touche... (Traduction DB-Z.com : Merci de nous créditer si vous prenez notre traduction)

Goku Black and Zamasu merged with Potaras !! An immortal body combined with a high-powered combat capability make it a formidable enemy !! But above all, Zamasu merged can issue a 'Wall of Light' which removes everything he touches ... (Translation DB-Z.com: Please credit us if you take our translation)

So it seems my predictions were right all along! He retains his immortality AND has infinitely rising power! But that added tidbit part got me interested. Apparantly he can create a light that evaporates ANYTHING it touches!

Good God, if he retains his immortality, then SSJB Vegetto/Gogeta really can't shit do against him. And the infinitely rise power just makes the prospect of Goku and Vegeta fusing and even Zeno appearing to save the day seem like an even more moot point. The Mafuba has to be the solution at this stage.

Vegetto should still be powerful enough to beat him into submission, being immortal doesn't make someone unstoppable, and the rising zenkai power is only noticeable when the two people fighting are almost equal power levels. Goten has zenkai ability too, but it wouldn't mean shit if he were fighting Vegetto, even if he had a bag full of senzu beans with him

As for Zeno, I'm hoping he doesn't show up until after the fight is over to take away the denshi jar and fix the messed up time lines. (It would be even more perfect if he undoes all the damage done to future Trunks Earth by Black AND the Androids and everyone is restored back to life. Would be a perfect chance to form the time patrol, and intoduce all the Xeno characters for a spin off series.)

[Lord Frieza]

The difference is that when they fused both parties were on a similar level of power, even though Goku and Vegeta have the edge.

That means the gap between Zamasu and Vegito is not that big. That means it will not take long for Zamasu to catch up with and surpass Vegito.

[Cetra]

The difference is that when they fused both parties were on a similar level of power, even though Goku and Vegeta have the edge.

That means the gap between Zamasu and Vegito is not that big. That means it will not take long for Zamasu to catch up with and surpass Vegito.

Goku and Vegeta make the ultimate fusion though with their exact opposites. If two versions of Zamas resulting in one even bigger ass come close to that ... eh, we will see.

[UpFromTheSkies]

The difference is that when they fused both parties were on a similar level of power, even though Goku and Vegeta have the edge.

That means the gap between Zamasu and Vegito is not that big. That means it will not take long for Zamasu to catch up with and surpass Vegito.

I don't know about that, Vegeta was mopping the floor with Black, his zenkai was worthless in the last episode.

[Lord Frieza]

The difference is that when they fused both parties were on a similar level of power, even though Goku and Vegeta have the edge.

That means the gap between Zamasu and Vegito is not that big. That means it will not take long for Zamasu to catch up with and surpass Vegito.

I don't know about that, Vegeta was mopping the floor with Black, his zenkai was worthless in the last episode.

My entire point is Fused Zamasu is not at the same disadvantage Buu was. His power gap will be nowhere near as big and no matter what Vegito dose HE WILL NOT DIE.

Buu's regeneration had its limits but Zamasu is a true immortal, his regeneration is not a natural product of his body or his ki. Vegito literal cannot beat him in any conventional way and everything he dose do is wasting his own energy.

All the while Zamasu will just keep growing stronger and strong, and if its anything like zenki, the harder Vegito hits him the stronger he's going to get. Zamsu is holding all the cards in this fight other then starting power advantage, this is a rigged fight he cannot loose.

[fadeddreams5]

That isn't being desperate or ' cheating'. It's called being pragmatic. Black and Zamasu takes full advantage of the tools they have. Future Zamasu is an immortal, so they use him as a meat shield. They fight stronger together, so they fight together. They're not Saiyans, so why would they care about a Saiyan's honor code.

I think they were just pointing out that it's a change from previous supervillains, who all at one point or another were egotistical enough about their power and/or reputation to privilege a one-on-one fight.

Piccolo Daimao was really the last time we had a villain pragmatic enough to want to keep himself away from threats and not be concerned with proving himself stronger in an even match.

Another interesting thing about Zamasu, unlike the other villains, is that he starts out much weaker than the cast, but devises a scheme to become stronger, which he does. I think only Bebi has fit into this category. Every other major villain has been "the strongest being in the universe" from the start, which plays hand-in-hand with the cockiness and ego mentioned.

[Doctor.]

That isn't being desperate or ' cheating'. It's called being pragmatic. Black and Zamasu takes full advantage of the tools they have. Future Zamasu is an immortal, so they use him as a meat shield. They fight stronger together, so they fight together. They're not Saiyans, so why would they care about a Saiyan's honor code.

I think they were just pointing out that it's a change from previous supervillains, who all at one point or another were egotistical enough about their power and/or reputation to privilege a one-on-one fight.

Piccolo Daimao was really the last time we had a villain pragmatic enough to want to keep himself away from threats and not be concerned with proving himself stronger in an even match.

Another interesting thing about Zamasu, unlike the other villains, is that he starts out much weaker than the cast, but devises a scheme to become stronger, which he does. I think only Bebi has fit into this category. Every other major villain has been "the strongest being in the universe" from the start, which plays hand-in-hand with the cockiness and ego mentioned.

Cell kinda fits this category as well, he started off weaker than Piccolo and the androids when he was first introduced.

[fadeddreams5]

I think they were just pointing out that it's a change from previous supervillains, who all at one point or another were egotistical enough about their power and/or reputation to privilege a one-on-one fight.

Piccolo Daimao was really the last time we had a villain pragmatic enough to want to keep himself away from threats and not be concerned with proving himself stronger in an even match.

Another interesting thing about Zamasu, unlike the other villains, is that he starts out much weaker than the cast, but devises a scheme to become stronger, which he does. I think only Bebi has fit into this category. Every other major villain has been "the strongest being in the universe" from the start, which plays hand-in-hand with the cockiness and ego mentioned.

Cell kinda fits this category as well, he started off weaker than Piccolo and the androids when he was first introduced.

I was thinking that, but he was, you know, incomplete. =P

[UpFromTheSkies]

The difference is that when they fused both parties were on a similar level of power, even though Goku and Vegeta have the edge.

That means the gap between Zamasu and Vegito is not that big. That means it will not take long for Zamasu to catch up with and surpass Vegito.

I don't know about that, Vegeta was mopping the floor with Black, his zenkai was worthless in the last episode.

My entire point is Fused Zamasu is not at the same disadvantage Buu was. His power gap will be nowhere near as big and no matter what Vegito dose HE WILL NOT DIE.

It doesn't matter if he can't die, he can still be beat down to the point in which he can't fight anymore. If Pilaf were immortal, Goku would still defeat him.

All the while Zamasu will just keep growing stronger and strong, and if its anything like zenki, the harder Vegito hits him the stronger he's going to get. Zamsu is holding all the cards in this fight other then starting power advantage, this is a rigged fight he cannot loose.

I personally think the power gap is great enough now that once they fuse, Zamasu isn't going to stand a chance, but I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Vegeta achieved something really special in the room of spirit and time, and it showed in the last episode when Black couldn't do anything to him, even with his super zenkai ability.

[Cetra]

The question would be, how far does this "removal" through the wall of light go? Can it defuse someone like Vegetto/Gogeta? I mean, I suppose not? At least I doubt it will happen. But we will see what there is to see.

[Lord Frieza]

I don't know about that, Vegeta was mopping the floor with Black, his zenkai was worthless in the last episode.

My entire point is Fused Zamasu is not at the same disadvantage Buu was. His power gap will be nowhere near as big and no matter what Vegito dose HE WILL NOT DIE.

It doesn't matter if he can't die, he can still be beat down to the point in which he can't fight anymore. If Pilaf were immortal, Goku would still defeat him.

All the while Zamasu will just keep growing stronger and strong, and if its anything like zenki, the harder Vegito hits him the stronger he's going to get. Zamsu is holding all the cards in this fight other then starting power advantage, this is a rigged fight he cannot loose.

I personally think the power gap is great enough now that once they fuse, Zamasu isn't going to stand a chance, but I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Vegeta achieved something really special in the room of spirit and time, and it showed in the last episode when Black couldn't do anything to him, even with his super zenkai ability.

The reason Black's super zenkai was not working is no mystery, he's not immortal and nor dose he have regeneration. So while he will keep getting stronger his body is still being hurt and dose not magically recover. Over time his injures will let him down and when fighting someone who has really got an edge over you are in trouble.

Your right immortality means nothing without strength.

But as soon as you combine the too then you are effectively unbeatable in battle. His body will get stronger from the zenkai and the damage is almost instantaneously healed. Give Pilaf or anyone this combination and they could beat literally anyone!

You punch them, they heal and get stronger. Kick them, they heal and get stronger. Break their ribbs, they heal and get stronger. Breack their neck, they heal and get stronger. Blast a hole in them, they heal and get stronger. Blow their head off, they heal and get stronger. Chop them into pieces and blow them up, they reform, they heal and get stronger. That keeps going on and on, and the harder you hit the bigger the power boost they get. Then before you know it their matching you in power, then surpassing you. Everything you do is just fuel for the fire that is their ever growing power until they finally kill you.

[Cetra]

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You think Pilaf could defeat them with this combo? They could still knock him out, then seal him away before he even gets stronger.

[Lord Frieza]

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You think Pilaf could defeat them with this combo? They could still knock him out, then seal him away before he even gets stronger.

I'm not talking about sealing away, I'm just talking about fighting and trying to get across the kind of ability we are talking about here. And Zamasu is not Pilaf, he's god who already wields incredible power to begin with.

No matter how strong Vegito will be, HE CANNOT BEAT ZAMASU BY FIGHTING. Zamasu will out grow his power and kill Vegito. That is my point.

He can only win with the mafuba, its either that or he's wasting every bodes time.

[Lord Frieza]

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You think Pilaf could defeat them with this combo? They could still knock him out, then seal him away before he even gets stronger.

On that note how would you knock him out or beat him until he cant fight back?

His body is literally undoing all the damage you do as soon as it done. The second you stop attacking his body is fully healed and ready to keep going.

Punch in the head, his brains healing the damage as soon as you've done it. Break every bone in his body and each will heal the instant the damage is done. Blow him up and his body will just reform.

How the heck are you going to accomplish this impossibility?

[UpFromTheSkies]

My entire point is Fused Zamasu is not at the same disadvantage Buu was. His power gap will be nowhere near as big and no matter what Vegito dose HE WILL NOT DIE.

It doesn't matter if he can't die, he can still be beat down to the point in which he can't fight anymore. If Pilaf were immortal, Goku would still defeat him.

All the while Zamasu will just keep growing stronger and strong, and if its anything like zenki, the harder Vegito hits him the stronger he's going to get. Zamsu is holding all the cards in this fight other then starting power advantage, this is a rigged fight he cannot loose.

I personally think the power gap is great enough now that once they fuse, Zamasu isn't going to stand a chance, but I could be wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think Vegeta achieved something really special in the room of spirit and time, and it showed in the last episode when Black couldn't do anything to him, even with his super zenkai ability.

The reason Black's super zenkai was not working is no mystery, he's not immortal and nor dose he have regeneration. So while he will keep getting stronger his body is still being hurt and dose not magically recover. Over time his injures will let him down and when fighting someone who has really got an edge over you are in trouble.

Your right immortality means nothing without strength.

But as soon as you combine the too then you are effectively unbeatable in battle. His body will get stronger from the zenkai and the damage is almost instantaneously healed. Give Pilaf or anyone this combination and they could beat literally anyone!

You punch them, they heal and get stronger. Kick them, they heal and get stronger. Break their ribbs, they heal and get stronger. Breack their neck, they heal and get stronger. Blast a hole in them, they heal and get stronger. Blow their head off, they heal and get stronger. Chop them into pieces and blow them up, they reform, they heal and get stronger. That keeps going on and on, and the harder you hit the bigger the power boost they get. Then before you know it their matching you in power, then surpassing you. Everything you do is just fuel for the fire that is their ever growing power until they finally kill you.

Zamasu can only get a zenkai boost if he takes damage, but they can avoid that by immobilizing him with an ability like Gotenks' Galactic Donut, Kaoshin's telekinesis, or Dabura's spit. If it were Pilaf, they could just throw him in prison, his zenkai and immortality wouldn't mean anything.