How are they going to top Merged Zamasu?

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:32 pm

So after Frieza and Cell we had Buu. Buu was so powerful that the characters had to fuse together to be able to stand a chance against him or surpass him (Gogeta and Vegito).

Then we had Battle of Gods and that was advertising that Beerus was the strongest character in the history of Z. Now this is just my speculation but maybe Toriyama or the original writer didn't particularly want Vegito involved in the final battle. Maybe they just wanted Goku but for it to make sense and so fans wouldn't just ask "Why didn't they use fusion" they simply introduced Super Saiyan God which surpassed fusion and allowed Goku to just fight as Goku. Problem solved.

Simply put they introduced this whole new concept to the Saiyans so they could introduce even stronger villains but without fusion having to keep being involved each time.

But now it looks like it might be happening again. We've got this villain Fusion Zamasu who looks to be that powerful that they are going to have to (almost surely now) fuse to become Super Saiyan Blue Vegito to beat him.

What do they after Fusion Zamasu though? Are the next villains going to be a step down from Fusion Zamasu so that Goku and Vegeta can continue fighting them separately?

Or more likely are they going to introduce even more powerful villains? In which case are Goku and Vegeta going to fuse regularly to keep up with these new villains or are they going to get some other new form that will surpass SSJB Vegito so they don't have to keep fusing like what happened with Battle of Gods?

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:42 pm

Pretty sure that this is the first and the last time that we'll see the fusion.

Or more likely are they going to introduce even more powerful villains? In which case are Goku and Vegeta going to fuse regularly to keep up with these new villains or are they going to get some other new form that will surpass SSJB Vegito so they don't have to keep fusing like what happened with Battle of Gods?

Well, probably we'll see a new trasformation, but maybe we'll see characters like Beerus and Whis more involved, that they will fight with Goku and Vegeta....it would be cool if the new villain will be an angel.

phattangent · Post by **phattangent** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:41 pm

Legion wrote:[...] it would be cool if the new villain will be an angel.

I like that idea!

Cipher · Post by **Cipher** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:54 pm

An angel villain seems like the most obvious follow-up; we've gotten a ton of teasing about how powerful Whis and the rest of his race are. It'd be a nice return to the style of expansion-via-villains that characterizes the series original run.

I kind of hope it'd be a situation that would see the characters winning without necessarily being stronger though, a la Boo or Yi Xing-Long; a symbolic victory over the realm of power Whis and co. represent without necessarily becoming the strongest in the multiverse so quickly after meeting Beerus. I kind of feel like it'd have to be the last villain in this run of material.

Dbzfan94 · Post by **Dbzfan94** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:11 pm

Well the only reason Zamasu is still alive is because he's immortal. If not, he would've died long ago.
Leaving just Blac And by 63-64, Vegeta seemed to be stronger than him anyway.

FortuneSSJ · Post by **FortuneSSJ** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:21 pm

Now that Angels are a thing, Demons should definitely return.

Towa for example is a such a waste to be only a videogame character. More interesting female characters would be welcome, and her popularity just keeps rising.

Vados_chan · Post by **Vados_chan** » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:27 pm

Broly who can go SSB Great Ape obviously

[spoiler]Please no[/spoiler]

ChaosLordBrandon · Post by **ChaosLordBrandon** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:26 am

There is a very huge problem with a angel already being the main villain this early. If it were to happen.

How is any body at the omiversal tournament gonna be a challenge to Goku and Vegeta if they already are powerful as angels? if the next arc where to have a angel as the main villain? In all arcs of shounen the main character always has to have a big fight with the main villain. And if they used fusion again then the entire world is gonna say how its complete rehash on how the last villain was fought.

If Goku and Vegeta were to able to fight angels by the next arc. that means that they can one shot Hit,Champa,Beerus and all 10 gods of destruction already. So that pretty much kills any chance of Hit, the other 10 Gods of destructuion chances of ever being a threat or important if they are complete fodder to Goku and Vegeta.

Do you guys really want the 12 gods of destruction and Hit to end up as fodder this early? We don't even know the other 10 GoDs names. All we know about Hit that he is a assassin and u6 strongest mortal warrior. we know more about Nappa and Zarbon than we do about Hit and the GoDs.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:06 am

That's also true. I'm curious as to what they're going to do now.

They'll obviously have villains who will be more powerful than Merged Zamasu and Super Saiyan Blue Vegito because that's just how the series works.

But they won't keep using fusion for every villain so they'll have to power them up individually so they surpass Super Saiyan Blue Vegito. They'll have to come out with a Super Saiyan Supreme God Purple or something.

They're going to have the Gods of Destruction be fodder so it makes me wonder if they're still gonna be stronger than these fusions.

emperior · Post by **emperior** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:28 am

Honestly, I hope something happens that Vegeta and Goku will never be able to fuse again. Like Zeno prohibiting them to use potaras as those are items only a Kaioshin should use.
This way we won't always wonder "why don't Goku and Vegeta just fuse" and we can have a better progression without making Champa and Beerus already fodder.
Honestly I think Merged Zamasu should be just slightly stronger than Beerus in power. They should really state how powerful he is in comparision to Beerus and Whis.

By the way, next arc should DEFINITELY be the multiversal tournament. If Zeno will be involved by the end of this arc then the tournament should begin shortly after. This way Goku and Vegeta will obviously not fuse.

Legion · Post by **Legion** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:01 am

ChaosLordBrandon wrote:There is a very huge problem with a angel already being the main villain this early. If it were to happen.

How is any body at the omiversal tournament gonna be a challenge to Goku and Vegeta if they already are powerful as angels? if the next arc where to have a angel as the main villain? In all arcs of shounen the main character always has to have a big fight with the main villain. And if they used fusion again then the entire world is gonna say how its complete rehash on how the last villain was fought.

If Goku and Vegeta were to able to fight angels by the next arc. that means that they can one shot Hit,Champa,Beerus and all 10 gods of destruction already. So that pretty much kills any chance of Hit, the other 10 Gods of destructuion chances of ever being a threat or important if they are complete fodder to Goku and Vegeta.

Do you guys really want the 12 gods of destruction and Hit to end up as fodder this early? We don't even know the other 10 GoDs names. All we know about Hit that he is a assassin and u6 strongest mortal warrior. we know more about Nappa and Zarbon than we do about Hit and the GoDs.

Well no, because if Beerus and Whis will be involved, Goku and Vegeta do not need to be strong as an angel.

I agree that the fusion is a bad thing. That's why i don't believe that Vegito/merged Zamasu are stronger than Beerus and Whis.

HeroR · Post by **HeroR** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:02 am

Dbzfan94 wrote:Well the only reason Zamasu is still alive is because he's immortal. If not, he would've died long ago.
Leaving just Blac And by 63-64, Vegeta seemed to be stronger than him anyway.

Black was literally toying with Vegeta and Goku. He wanted them to get stronger through their anger so he could make himself more powerful. Which is why Future Zamasu tried to kill everyone.

Lionel · Post by **Lionel** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:17 am

We could always see the introduction of a bona fide competent technique specialist who happens to be inferior in power to Goku and Vegeta. Several times in the past Toriyama attempted to make some use of them, but the execution felt lacking with the character being a one-note subsidiary to other more powerful superiors. Observing someone as they gain the upperhand over Goku and Vegeta through their intelligence and creativity would be a nice change of pace, in my opinion.

SonReggie · Post by **SonReggie** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:24 am

emperior wrote:Honestly, I hope something happens that Vegeta and Goku will never be able to fuse again. Like Zeno prohibiting them to use potaras as those are items only a Kaioshin should use.
This way we won't always wonder "why don't Goku and Vegeta just fuse" and we can have a better progression without making Champa and Beerus already fodder.
Honestly I think Merged Zamasu should be just slightly stronger than Beerus in power. They should really state how powerful he is in comparision to Beerus and Whis.

By the way, next arc should DEFINITELY be the multiversal tournament. If Zeno will be involved by the end of this arc then the tournament should begin shortly after. This way Goku and Vegeta will obviously not fuse.

I agree.

Fusion has become THE answer to everything in the eyes of a great deal of the fanbase. Goku and/or Vegta lose? Hear the fanbase cry "they should just fuse and kick ***". It shouldn't be the 'I-win' solution to all things.

Ki Breaker · Post by **Ki Breaker** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:09 am

See that becomes a recurring problem..
They fuse, they kick ass.. now for all other future villans, causual fans will say.. why don't they just fuse?!?! Omniverse tournament fusion! Omni king is angry fusion of course!! Bra is not born maybe she is the result of fusion vs bulma!!

This was the reason I was ecstatic when Goku said vegetto wasn't enough to beat berrus..
Now for them to top fusion I see only two ways..

First they will have to stay fused till just before the omniverse tournament..

Second make them perfect ssb.. make it as strong as fusion itself.. do not under any circumstances give them a new transformation.. it's a colour mess already enough
Make it like how as beat freeza but couldn't touch androids, but perfected as was nearly even with cell

dbs fanboy · Post by **dbs fanboy** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:15 am

Zamasu is inmortal, i don't think that he is the typical villain that you can beat just by becoming more powerful.

Bullza · Post by **Bullza** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:16 am

I've got it!

Being as how the Angels Grand Priest, Whis and Vados and possibly others of their kind are on a level above the Gods like Beerus, Champa and the Supreme Kai's then the next step in order for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is to become....

Super Saiyan Angels! Complete with white hair and the white rainbowish aura of Fusion Zamasu.

jplaya2023 · Post by **jplaya2023** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:26 am

i want to see gogeta

GodVegetto91 · Post by **GodVegetto91** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:34 am

Bullza wrote:I've got it!

Being as how the Angels Grand Priest, Whis and Vados and possibly others of their kind are on a level above the Gods like Beerus, Champa and the Supreme Kai's then the next step in order for Goku and Vegeta to surpass Super Saiyan Blue Vegito is to become....

Super Saiyan Angels! Complete with white hair and the white rainbowish aura of Fusion Zamasu.

That's actually a pretty interesting idea. With white hair, some type of Halo, and perhaps some wings, or nah maybe not! But it would seem like something Toriyama would definitely do!

dblack · Post by **dblack** » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:11 pm

Lionel wrote:We could always see the introduction of a bona fide competent technique specialist who happens to be inferior in power to Goku and Vegeta. Several times in the past Toriyama attempted to make some use of them, but the execution felt lacking with the character being a one-note subsidiary to other more powerful superiors. Observing someone as they gain the upperhand over Goku and Vegeta through their intelligence and creativity would be a nice change of pace, in my opinion.

This is Hit.
But I loved Hit's fighting style so I welcome similar characters.

Kanzenshuu

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