"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Vegito will be stronger but Zamasu's zenkai will overcome that if they fight.

Vegito has the mafuba but Zamasu knows about it and and isn't just going to stand there and let them and he has his one abilities that will allow him to counter their attempts to tie him down.

Thats all a good balance that will help make there fight intreasting.

The biggest issue I see is that people seem to think Vegito going to be so powerful that he will outcalss Zamasu the same way fusion has Buu, Janemba and Omega. But thats not the case, (after watching the episode subbed) its clear Black is still growing stronger and confident enough with holding up Goku and Vegeta by himself. I'm sorry but Vegeta's lovely speech last time was all talk, infact he showed Black how rage can make you stronger. Hell Black wanted them to get even stronger from the rage of seeing Bulma and Trunks killed. So Black is still on their level. Zamasu is the weakest of the four but he can still keep pace with the other.

Takeing that into account the power gap between Supreme God Zamasu and SSB Vegito is going to be very small. That means Zamsu is more then capable of defending himself against anything Vegito dose or tries to do. Vegito will have the edge but Zamasu is not at his mercy like the other villains were.

Also look at Super's track record.

SSG was not enough to beat Beerus.

Golden Frieza was stronger the SSB Goku and he would have effectively one the fight if not for Whis.

SSB Kaioh-Ken x10 was not enough to beat Hit. From what we saw if Hit had been serious and using his best moves he would have won, especially withe the tole the kaioh-ken was taking on Goku.

Vegito will not be enough to beat Zamasu, at least not in terms of power alone.

Hit is hard to measure because despite his improvements, Goku was sure he could beat him until Beerus wasted too much of his time. According to Goku, Hit wasn't going to touch him again even with his killing techniques.

[Lord Frieza]

Hit is hard to measure because despite his improvements, Goku was sure he could beat him until Beerus wasted too much of his time. According to Goku, Hit wasn't going to touch him again even with his killing techniques.

Your right, but his power had also improved during that their clash, it could have gone wither way and Goku's kaioh-ken is damaging him just as much as Hits punchs are.

I'm talking about the themes of Super, new transformations and power ups no-longer a garanti that your going to get significant edge over your enemy. You can do all that and they can still be equal or stronger then you.

[HeroR]

Hit is hard to measure because despite his improvements, Goku was sure he could beat him until Beerus wasted too much of his time. According to Goku, Hit wasn't going to touch him again even with his killing techniques.

Your right, but his power had also improved during that their clash, it could have gone wither way and Goku's kaioh-ken is damaging him just as much as Hits punchs are.

I'm talking about the themes of Super, new transformations and power up are no-longers a garanti that your going to get significant edge over your enemy. You can do all that and they can still be equal or stronger then you.

Hit's physical power didn't improve, his Time-Skip improved. It could have gone either way, but I doubt Goku was talking out of his butt.

New transformations haven't been a sure win since Cell. Buu wasn't beating by a new transformation, he was beating by a giant Spirit Bomb.

[Lord Frieza]

Hit is hard to measure because despite his improvements, Goku was sure he could beat him until Beerus wasted too much of his time. According to Goku, Hit wasn't going to touch him again even with his killing techniques.

Your right, but his power had also improved during that their clash, it could have gone wither way and Goku's kaioh-ken is damaging him just as much as Hits punchs are.

I'm talking about the themes of Super, new transformations and power up are no-longers a garanti that your going to get significant edge over your enemy. You can do all that and they can still be equal or stronger then you.

Hit's physical power didn't improve, his Time-Skip improved. It could have gone either way, but I doubt Goku was talking out of his butt.

New transformations haven't been a sure win since Cell. Buu wasn't beating by a new transformation, he was beating by a giant Spirit Bomb.

in Z new transformations always gave the user an edge with the only exception being Super Buu vs SS Gotenks and SS2 Gohan vs SP Cell. Kid Buu is a regression not a true transformation.

SS, SS grade 2, SS grade 3, Super Namekian, Semi-perfect Cell, Perfect Cell, SS2, SS3 (for both Goki and Gotenks), absorption for Buu, Ultimate Gohan, Fusion, SS4, golden oozaru Baby, Super 17 and Dragon Ball Absorption for Omega.

The Buu saga and GT are full of examples.

Edit: This is not about Vegito being able to beat Zamsu, he will. But this is not Buu he's fighting, its a fused warrior made of fighters comparable to the ones within himself. A being as powerful as himself or very close to it who cannot dye and grows stronger.

He cannot just pin him down because Zamasu is powerful enough to match him, he's going to need to be very smart about this fight or he's going to loose.

[UpFromTheSkies]

Vegito will be stronger but Zamasu's zenkai will overcome that if they fight.

Vegito has the mafuba but Zamasu knows about it and and isn't just going to stand there and let them and he has his one abilities that will allow him to counter their attempts to tie him down.

Thats all a good balance that will help make there fight intreasting.

The biggest issue I see is that people seem to think Vegito going to be so powerful that he will outcalss Zamasu the same way fusion has Buu, Janemba and Omega. But thats not the case, (after watching the episode subbed) its clear Black is still growing stronger and confident enough with holding up Goku and Vegeta by himself. I'm sorry but Vegeta's lovely speech last time was all talk, infact he showed Black how rage can make you stronger. Hell Black wanted them to get even stronger from the rage of seeing Bulma and Trunks killed. So Black is still on their level. Zamasu is the weakest of the four but he can still keep pace with the other.

Takeing that into account the power gap between Supreme God Zamasu and SSB Vegito is going to be very small. That means Zamsu is more then capable of defending himself against anything Vegito dose or tries to do. Vegito will have the edge but Zamasu is not at his mercy like the other villains were.

Also look at Super's track record.

SSG was not enough to beat Beerus.

Golden Frieza was stronger the SSB Goku and he would have effectively one the fight if not for Whis.

SSB Kaioh-Ken x10 was not enough to beat Hit. From what we saw if Hit had been serious and using his best moves he would have won, especially withe the tole the kaioh-ken was taking on Goku.

Vegito will not be enough to beat Zamasu, at least not in terms of power alone.

If the power gap is great enough when Vegetto first appears, he can use an attack like Buu Buu Volleyball, have Gowasu make a new denshi jar with a seal, then use the mafuba. It probably won't happen that way, but it could

[Lord Frieza]

Vegito will be stronger but Zamasu's zenkai will overcome that if they fight.

Vegito has the mafuba but Zamasu knows about it and and isn't just going to stand there and let them and he has his one abilities that will allow him to counter their attempts to tie him down.

Thats all a good balance that will help make there fight intreasting.

The biggest issue I see is that people seem to think Vegito going to be so powerful that he will outcalss Zamasu the same way fusion has Buu, Janemba and Omega. But thats not the case, (after watching the episode subbed) its clear Black is still growing stronger and confident enough with holding up Goku and Vegeta by himself. I'm sorry but Vegeta's lovely speech last time was all talk, infact he showed Black how rage can make you stronger. Hell Black wanted them to get even stronger from the rage of seeing Bulma and Trunks killed. So Black is still on their level. Zamasu is the weakest of the four but he can still keep pace with the other.

Takeing that into account the power gap between Supreme God Zamasu and SSB Vegito is going to be very small. That means Zamsu is more then capable of defending himself against anything Vegito dose or tries to do. Vegito will have the edge but Zamasu is not at his mercy like the other villains were.

Also look at Super's track record.

SSG was not enough to beat Beerus.

Golden Frieza was stronger the SSB Goku and he would have effectively one the fight if not for Whis.

SSB Kaioh-Ken x10 was not enough to beat Hit. From what we saw if Hit had been serious and using his best moves he would have won, especially withe the tole the kaioh-ken was taking on Goku.

Vegito will not be enough to beat Zamasu, at least not in terms of power alone.

If the power gap is great enough when Vegetto first appears, he can use an attack like Buu Buu Volleyball, have Gowasu make a new denshi jar with a seal, then use the mafuba. It probably won't happen that way, but it could

Yes thats what he needs to do, thats what I'm trying to say. While he cannot do the Buu Buu Volleyball, even a basic Solar Flare would do the trick. But thats no garanti, Zamasu will have some idea of what their trying to do and is powerful enough try to counter them.

This fight will be like chess, who's going to make enough right moves and counters to win.

[kinisking]

Herms translation of episodes 65 preview might have made zamasu my favorite villian. He's just too amazing. It makes sense though. They were cocky before and fusions have always been super cocky.

[Lord Frieza]

Herms translation of episodes 65 preview might have made zamasu my favorite villian. He's just too amazing. It makes sense though. They were cocky before and fusions have always been super cocky.

He's stolen a lot of people from other villains, me included.

[Boo Machine]

Zamasus Ego is so massive no one can touch him. I can only hope to be that conceited one day.

[Lord Frieza]

Just read the episode summery and....OMG thats awesome! He's so in-love with himself that he cant fight yet none can touch him!

[Cetra]

Just read the episode summery and....OMG thats awesome! He's so in-love with himself that he cant fight yet none can touch him!

A summary for new episodes? Where?

[dragonballhero]

I know it'll take some time, but I am DYING to see TFS's Zamasu. So much comedic potential.

I can't wait to see TFS's take on the Zamasu/Black arc as a whole! I mean, three jokes I imagine will be used are:

- Someone says: "Feeling a whole lot of Turles right now..." after seeing Goku Black
- A new twist on the whole "Future Trunks keeps missing Androids to count" gag
- Bulma relying solely on Goku to save the day is played for laughs. Vegeta could basically pull a Tien, lay the beatdown on Black that he gave him ep. 63, and go: "**** Gods, **** Kakarot, and ****YOU!!"

[Lord Frieza]

Just read the episode summery and....OMG thats awesome! He's so in-love with himself that he cant fight yet none can touch him!

A summary for new episodes? Where?

From Herm's Twitter.

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[Cetra]

Ah, kay. Knew that part pretty much already.

[Lord Frieza]

Ah, kay. Knew that part pretty much already.

I see sorry however it is news to me. I've never wanted a week to go by so fast.

[kinisking]

Herms translation of episodes 65 preview might have made zamasu my favorite villian. He's just too amazing. It makes sense though. They were cocky before and fusions have always been super cocky.

He's stolen a lot of people from other villains, me included.

If someone with your username prefers Zamasu then it really shows how great of a character he is!

Personally, right now he's tied with Boo. It's hard for me to say he's better than Boo though. It might be because of nostalgia.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

So apparently Toei released some info graphic about the timelines. You probably discussed it already but...there is a third Zamasu?

Yes, and he is dead. There is one Zamasu that is immortal, another one that has Goku's body, and another one that was killed by Beerus.

Akin to Cell's use of Mirai Trunks' time machine to get to Timeline #1, let's see how the timeline is charted out:

* TIMELINE #1: Main Timeline - DB/DBZ series take place, Beerus kills Zamasu
* TIMELINE #2: Mirai Trunks Timeline - Goku dies, Jinzoningen #17/#18 take wrath, Cell ambushed, Mirai Zamasu exists.
* TIMELINE #3: "Zamasu" Timeline - Slightly different to Timeline 1, Zamasu kills Gowasu and steals time ring. Zamasu swaps bodies with Goku and kills Chi-Chi and Goten.

Vegito will be stronger but Zamasu's zenkai will overcome that if they fight.

Vegito has the mafuba but Zamasu knows about it and and isn't just going to stand there and let them and he has his one abilities that will allow him to counter their attempts to tie him down.

Thats all a good balance that will help make there fight intreasting.

The biggest issue I see is that people seem to think Vegito going to be so powerful that he will outcalss Zamasu the same way fusion has Buu, Janemba and Omega. But thats not the case, (after watching the episode subbed) its clear Black is still growing stronger and confident enough with holding up Goku and Vegeta by himself. I'm sorry but Vegeta's lovely speech last time was all talk, infact he showed Black how rage can make you stronger. Hell Black wanted them to get even stronger from the rage of seeing Bulma and Trunks killed. So Black is still on their level. Zamasu is the weakest of the four but he can still keep pace with the other.

Takeing that into account the power gap between Supreme God Zamasu and SSB Vegito is going to be very small. That means Zamsu is more then capable of defending himself against anything Vegito dose or tries to do. Vegito will have the edge but Zamasu is not at his mercy like the other villains were.

Also look at Super's track record.

SSG was not enough to beat Beerus.

Golden Frieza was stronger the SSB Goku and he would have effectively one the fight if not for Whis.

SSB Kaioh-Ken x10 was not enough to beat Hit. From what we saw if Hit had been serious and using his best moves he would have won, especially withe the tole the kaioh-ken was taking on Goku.

Vegito will not be enough to beat Zamasu, at least not in terms of power alone.

Can we see Vegetto or Gogeta, given the fact Goku and Vegeta have no earrings?

[FortuneSSJ]

Can we see Vegetto or Gogeta, given the fact Goku and Vegeta have no earrings?

That's when Gowasu or our Kaioshin will be useful and give a pair to them.

[Riczi]

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Can someone translate this?

[Khin]

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Can someone translate this?

From Herms

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