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John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Fionordequester » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:36 pm

I enjoy speculating about who would voice who, and I happened to think on Burgmeier's Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho. How does he sound? Well, here's a short clip:

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I'm not sure I'd have him that deep, but it seems like his vocal inflections would fit Zamasu fairly well. What do you think?
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Jinzoningen MULE » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:43 pm

I don't think so, it's a little too harsh.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:29 am

He'd be okay. I like the deeper Yoko Kurama version of his voice.

I think Kyle Hebert should voice Zamasu though. He does adult Gohan's voice and, most importantly, Aizen's from Bleach.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by huzaifa_ahmed » Mon Oct 31, 2016 1:58 am

It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right? :D

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right? :D
So what you're saying is that FUNi shouldn't bother with dubs at all?
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by huzaifa_ahmed » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:39 am

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right? :D
So what you're saying is that FUNi shouldn't bother with dubs at all?
The question/topic itself is very strange, yes. It's more similar to something out of Youtube comments than something like Kanzenshuu, which is dedicated to Dragon Ball in all its Japanese-ness. Dragon Ball isnt American, & once you stop holding onto the silly "dub" which took out all the audio from the show, there's so much more out there to explore. Enjoy the dub as a joke (or guilty pleasure), in good fun, yes, but an actual proposal of further replacement/corruption of DB's art? Why would anyone, fan or hater, suggest that sort of thing? To DB, of all amazing shows..

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Cipher » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:52 am

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths?
I think I've seen that one, but it was on Pornhub. Also the actor's name was English.

Aaaaaanyway, like it or not, while I know there are countries where dubbing is looked down upon outside of entertainment for young children, it isn't going anywhere in the States. Japan dubs imported media too, shoving Japanese into American mouths (I guess?). It's perfectly natural for those interested in dubbed media, even as an alternative, to want to talk about the casting choices for one that will inevitably happen.

If it isn't something that interests you, just don't pop into threads that relate to the specifics of it. I usually manage not to. I just popped in here to make that joke.

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by LordCrumb » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:45 am

huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right? :D
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:The question/topic itself is very strange, yes. It's more similar to something out of Youtube comments than something like Kanzenshuu, which is dedicated to Dragon Ball in all its Japanese-ness.
Then please say that next time. I would never have known that was how you felt if you hadn't explained that.
huzaifa_ahmed wrote:Why would anyone, fan or hater, suggest that sort of thing? To DB, of all amazing shows...
I actually don't mind watching things subbed, but...

1) Some people find it hard trying to read subtitles while also trying to catch everything on screen (I don't, but I can see how others would).

2) Greater immersion for some people (as opposed to listening to people talk in what can sound like moon speak)

3) We'll always HAVE dual-audio options ANYWAY on our FUNI DVD's, so nothing's actually being "lost" at all. If you want to watch the original version, you can just go out, buy the DVD, and watch the original version. Or go to Crunchyroll, if that's more your style. So why alienate customers who fall under 1 and 2 when purists already have what they want?

4) It's interesting to see how different actors play the same characters, and it's nice to have the variety. I love Mark Hamill's Joker to death, but sometimes I'm in the mood for some Heath Ledger, or Jack Nichelson, or John DiMaggio, or...well, all the other countless Joker's we have.

5) Getting rid of the dubbing industry would put a lot of really cool people out of a job for no good reason.


So what's the point in trying to make people watch their favorite show in one specific way? Why can't I have the freedom to choose? What's so terrible about allowing everyone to enjoy their favorite show in whatever way they want?
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by NitroEX » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:54 am

No thanks. The man's voice puts me to sleep, I've always found him to be quite dull actor and tbh I'm not sure what everyone else sees/hears in him.

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Ajay » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:13 am

I think Liam O'Brien would be the perfect English-language Zamasu.

He's got that great air of self-importance about his voice that fits Zamasu wonderfully.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Deathbringer » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:45 am

If Goku Black's voice in Xenoverse 2 is anything to go by, it seems they might be going for a rough, deep sounding, almost (Christian Bale)Batman-like voice for Zamasu, either that or they've removed the element of Black and Zamasu having a similar tone to their voices, which would be kinda weird to hear. Overall, I hope that Sean Schemmel's voice for Black is changed for the actual dub of Super. As for who I would like to see voice Zamasu in an English dub, maybe Brad Swaile who played Light Yagami in the English dub of Death Note because Zamasu reminds me a lot of Light Yagami except if he was an actual god.

(oh and apparently he played Adult Gohan in the Ocean dub)

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Ajay » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:50 am

Deathbringer wrote:Overall, I hope that Sean Schemmel's voice for Black is changed for the actual dub of Super.
Though it's only anecdotal evidence from someone who met Schemmel at a recent convention, he was told that neither him nor Sabat were happy with the voice since they had no context for the character. Supposedly Schemmel is free to change that voice for when they record Super.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by 8000 Saiyan » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:01 am

I think another actor would be much better, someone like Kyle Hebert or J. Michael Tatum.
huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right?

The question/topic itself is very strange, yes. It's more similar to something out of Youtube comments than something like Kanzenshuu, which is dedicated to Dragon Ball in all its Japanese-ness. Dragon Ball isnt American, & once you stop holding onto the silly "dub" which took out all the audio from the show, there's so much more out there to explore. Enjoy the dub as a joke (or guilty pleasure), in good fun, yes, but an actual proposal of further replacement/corruption of DB's art? Why would anyone, fan or hater, suggest that sort of thing? To DB, of all amazing shows.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

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8000 Saiyan wrote:
huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right?

The question/topic itself is very strange, yes. It's more similar to something out of Youtube comments than something like Kanzenshuu, which is dedicated to Dragon Ball in all its Japanese-ness. Dragon Ball isnt American, & once you stop holding onto the silly "dub" which took out all the audio from the show, there's so much more out there to explore. Enjoy the dub as a joke (or guilty pleasure), in good fun, yes, but an actual proposal of further replacement/corruption of DB's art? Why would anyone, fan or hater, suggest that sort of thing? To DB, of all amazing shows.
It's hard for me to take someone like you seriously.
I agree. He sounds like a an elitist weeaboo.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:19 am

I think J. Michael Tatum could probably pull it off, and with a voice different enough that it probably wouldn't really clash with Mira in the games...though it could be a tad bit clashing against Zarbon though.

Other than him, I could also kinda hear Travis Willingham being good in the role (though personally I'd been hoping for him to be Hit). The guy needs a Dragon Ball role of his own too - he's been a fan for ages now, and with Dameon Clarke having re-claimed the role of Cell recently, it's time he gets another role.
Ajay wrote:I think Liam O'Brien would be the perfect English-language Zamasu.

He's got that great air of self-importance about his voice that fits Zamasu wonderfully.
Ooh, he'd be an interesting choice. I'm not sure he could though, given the whole union/non-union debacle, and I'm not sure where Liam falls on that line.
huzaifa_ahmed wrote:The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money.
There's so much wrong with this last part of your statement that it almost makes me want to weep.
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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:53 pm

I'd say Matthew Mercer might make a good Zamasu.

Hmm actually he may make a good Black! But that's Sean's for better or worse.

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by SaintEvolution » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:15 pm

I would like if they cast other actor that didn't worked with Dragon Ball. John would fit, but he also dubs Tien.

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

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huzaifa_ahmed wrote:
Fionordequester wrote:
huzaifa_ahmed wrote:It's Dragon Ball. What purpose would there be in using the foreign licensing company to just use people from the talent pool of their Americanized dub, to voice the characters? Those characters already have VA's as it is. It's a Japanese show; using white folks with English voices ruins the whole point. It's bad enough with Hollywood taking away anime from Asians & putting into live-action with white people; why go through the horrific process of shoving English into Asian mouths? The VA's on Dragon Ball are already top-notch, & they cost a lot of money already, so itd be pointless to get American actors, who ask for way more money. Like Jeez, let's just watch the stinkin' show, right? :D
So what you're saying is that FUNi shouldn't bother with dubs at all?
The question/topic itself is very strange, yes. It's more similar to something out of Youtube comments than something like Kanzenshuu, which is dedicated to Dragon Ball in all its Japanese-ness. Dragon Ball isnt American, & once you stop holding onto the silly "dub" which took out all the audio from the show, there's so much more out there to explore. Enjoy the dub as a joke (or guilty pleasure), in good fun, yes, but an actual proposal of further replacement/corruption of DB's art? Why would anyone, fan or hater, suggest that sort of thing? To DB, of all amazing shows..
Your logic becomes harder to follow as time passes.

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Re: John Burgmeier: Good fit for Zamasu?

Post by Cure Dragon 255 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:38 pm

I'm dissapointed huzaifa Ahmed. I thought you wouldn't going to go so far as call dubbing racist. I hate resorting to this logic, but Japanese people also dub American shows, would you call them racist too?

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