Is anyone starting to feel franchise fatigue yet?

[Attitudefan]

Honestly, I would have preferred if they just did one off movies here and there. It would be great if they did films from different eras of Dragonball with the cast of characters from those periods they choose to set a film in. It could or would be non-canon material most likely, but I think it would be fun every few years to get a 2 hour Dragon Ball film.

I would definitely love to see films set in the pre Raditz arrival for example with the cast of characters going on adventures and stuff outside of the manga material. I thought BoGs was something akin to that and even Return of F initially.

I think this would have been the better route to go in as well because at the very least the animation would look halfway decent by Toei standards.

[phattangent]

I would be okay with having a new episode every week for the next couple of years, especially if there are spinoff shows like Jaco!

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It's not that I particularly mind the current state of things, I just find it increasingly hard to care. So far, we've had 64 episodes of DBS, and the characters are exactly the same as they started out. This series is stagnate, nothing and no one evolves.

[Cipher]

It's not that I particularly mind the current state of things, I just find it increasingly hard to care. So far, we've had 64 episodes of DBS, and the characters are exactly the same as they started out. This series is stagnate, nothing and no one evolves.

This is exactly my sentiment on the new material.

[Bansho64]

It's not that I particularly mind the current state of things, I just find it increasingly hard to care. So far, we've had 64 episodes of DBS, and the characters are exactly the same as they started out. This series is stagnate, nothing and no one evolves.

Agreed. I kinda thought they had a thing going at first with Goku in BOG, but my hopes were crushed in ROF.

[Attitudefan]

It's not that I particularly mind the current state of things, I just find it increasingly hard to care. So far, we've had 64 episodes of DBS, and the characters are exactly the same as they started out. This series is stagnate, nothing and no one evolves.

Absolutely. One thing that Dragon Ball had was a progression of time.

[Nejishiki]

Agreed. I kinda thought they had a thing going at first with Goku in BOG, but my hopes were crushed in ROF.

Well, the film did serve to further Goku's character. It's just that we don't experience the reflection of it as it's portrayed in Dragon Ball's ending yet. It's one of the flaws created from continuing the story in-between a time skip. Alone, it's fine, but remain in that period and you're forced to put characterization into stasis. Not completely, mind you, but you have to buildup into what's already established. The logic is that it's not "time" for his complete change yet. Maybe they'll slowly add those mannerisms as the AGE progresses? Anyway, I hope to go past the ending, provided we witness where everyone's growth was going a bit more.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Agreed. I kinda thought they had a thing going at first with Goku in BOG, but my hopes were crushed in ROF.

Well, the film did serve to further Goku's character. It's just that we don't experience the reflection of it as it's portrayed in Dragon Ball's ending yet. It's one of the flaws created from continuing the story in-between a time skip. Alone, it's fine, but remain in that period and you're forced to put characterization into stasis. Not completely, mind you, but you have to buildup into what's already established. The logic is that it's not "time" for his complete change yet. Maybe they'll slowly add those mannerisms as the AGE progresses? Anyway, I hope to go past the ending, provided we witness where everyone's growth was going a bit more.

Normally I'd agree, but we didn't get a solid glimpse of Goku's character post time gap. So in this case, it shouldn't be a problem at all. It's nothing more than a case of poor characterization.

[Cipher]

I think the bigger problem with Goku in particular is that his final arc, overcoming the dangerous sense of boredom he has by the Boo arc and finding a healthy outlet in Oob, is bookended by those two portions of the story. The timeskip exists in the original material to imply that nothing happens in between, character-wise, except a doubling down on that feeling. Super seems set on both keeping that in tact and not adding any progression in the interim. He just fights more villains because that's super awesome. The only new wrinkle to his character we've gotten from the new material, Battle of Gods as a stand-alone film notwithstanding, is another Super Saiyan form.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I think the bigger problem with Goku in particular is that his final arc, overcoming the dangerous sense of boredom he has by the Boo arc and finding a healthy outlet in Oob, is bookended by those two portions of the story. The timeskip exists in the original material to imply that nothing happens in between, character-wise, except a doubling down on that feeling. Super seems set on both keeping that in tact and not adding any progression in the interim. He just fights more villains because that's super awesome.

And it's downright bizarre. Toriyama intentionally left an open ending so a possible continuation would have a natural starting point. But for some reason, instead of restarting where any sequel obviously should have, he decides to write it in one of the most awkward periods possible. I get it regarding Battle of Gods, but there's no excuse for the rest.

[ABED]

And it's downright bizarre. Toriyama intentionally left an open ending so a possible continuation would have a natural starting point

I never got the sense that it was about leaving it open for a possible continuation. It's very much a conclusion to the story.

It's not that I particularly mind the current state of things, I just find it increasingly hard to care. So far, we've had 64 episodes of DBS, and the characters are exactly the same as they started out. This series is stagnate, nothing and no one evolves.

Absolutely. One thing that Dragon Ball had was a progression of time.

I don't think that in and of itself matters. The whole series could've taken place over the course of a few years and been no worse of for it.

[Bansho64]

I don't think that in and of itself matters. The whole series could've taken place over the course of a few years and been no worse of for it.

Nah, I disagree. I like that a lot of years pass for the story. If it had been in a short period of time, all jammed up to together? I wouldn't like that at all.

[ABED]

I don't think that in and of itself matters. The whole series could've taken place over the course of a few years and been no worse of for it.

Nah, I disagree. I like that a lot of years pass for the story. If it had been in a short period of time, all jammed up to together? I wouldn't like that at all.

If you look at the series, the passages of time mostly happens between the arcs. The bulk of the Buu arc is only over the course of a few days. What is so inherently interesting about the passage of time that the story benefits so much from in your eyes?

[Bansho64]

If you look at the series, the passages of time mostly happens between the arcs. The bulk of the Buu arc is only over the course of a few days. What is so inherently interesting about the passage of time?

I don't know, I guess it makes it seem like it takes time to get stuff done? Again, I don't know. I just know that I don't want Nappa and Vegeta touching down on Earth literally a day after Raditz got killed.

[ABED]

If you look at the series, the passages of time mostly happens between the arcs. The bulk of the Buu arc is only over the course of a few days. What is so inherently interesting about the passage of time?

I don't know, I guess it makes it seem like it takes time to get stuff done? Again, I don't know. I just know that I don't want Nappa and Vegeta touching down on Earth literally a day after Raditz got killed.

A year is fine, but you are seeing what happens and there's a ticking clock, it's part of the story. I'm more referring to things like huge gaps like three years between each tournament, the three years to train for the Cyborgs, the 7 year gap after Cell, and the gap between Buu's destruction and the end of Z.

[ekrolo2]

I've always liked things getting spread out after the RRA arc. I dislike how a lot of media seem to portray the teens to early 20s time as the most interesting one for the characters and then they do nothing of interest by have kids and become boring, regular people until they croak decades later from high cholesterol or something.

[ABED]

I've always liked things getting spread out after the RRA arc. I dislike how a lot of media seem to portray the teens to early 20s time as the most interesting one for the characters and then they do nothing of interest by have kids and become boring, regular people until they croak decades later from high cholesterol or something.

I get your point, but to be fair that period is a period of change and confusion (for lack of a better word) for a lot of us, so it's not surprising that a lot of stories occur during that time. I'm not sure how this applies to Dragon Ball.

[ekrolo2]

I've always liked things getting spread out after the RRA arc. I dislike how a lot of media seem to portray the teens to early 20s time as the most interesting one for the characters and then they do nothing of interest by have kids and become boring, regular people until they croak decades later from high cholesterol or something.

I get your point, but to be fair that period is a period of change and confusion (for lack of a better word) for a lot of us, so it's not surprising that a lot of stories occur during that time. I'm not sure how this applies to Dragon Ball.

Nah, I get why they do it. I just don't like it. It paints this unintentionally pessimistic image of life where you've basically done the awesomest stuff you'll ever do in the span of 5 years, and that's being fairly generous. Dragon Ball doesn't do that. Sure, there's a lot of time where characters don't do anything of note and are just regular Joe's and Janes but every so often, they go on crazy, exciting adventures well into their 30s, 40s and even 50s.

[ABED]

I've always liked things getting spread out after the RRA arc. I dislike how a lot of media seem to portray the teens to early 20s time as the most interesting one for the characters and then they do nothing of interest by have kids and become boring, regular people until they croak decades later from high cholesterol or something.

I get your point, but to be fair that period is a period of change and confusion (for lack of a better word) for a lot of us, so it's not surprising that a lot of stories occur during that time. I'm not sure how this applies to Dragon Ball.

Nah, I get why they do it. I just don't like it. It paints this unintentionally pessimistic image of life where you've basically done the awesomest stuff you'll ever do in the span of 5 years, and that's being fairly generous. Dragon Ball doesn't do that. Sure, there's a lot of time where characters don't do anything of note and are just regular Joe's and Janes but every so often, they go on crazy, exciting adventures well into their 30s, 40s and even 50s.

It's not about the awesomest stuff, just the most full of conflict.

[ekrolo2]

It's not about the awesomest stuff, just the most full of conflict.

Conflict IS the awesome stuff though