The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

[Steven Bloodriver]

I doubt Bardock would kill Vegeta. Given that Saiyans are so few (at that point, they consist of Goku, Gohan, Bardock, Turles, Onio, Vegeta, Tarble, Paragus, and Broly) that they can be counted on two hands, I feel he'd leave the prince alone. Besides, he's the prince. At this point, Bardock is still much, much weaker than Vegeta, even as a Super Saiyan.

And I assume Garlic Jr. is an idiot and opens the Dead Zone same as in canon?

1) Bardock would have had indeed killed Vegeta on the spot, since the former would full well know of the Prince's pompousness being too much of a liability to have lying around.(With canon showing he would be right in getting rid of Vegeta as soon as possible.)

2) Vegeta spends a very long time in outer space searching for Goku, which would give Bardock, Gohan, and Piccolo just enough time to train together to surpass him.

3) Garlic Junior and the Spice Boys would have been instantly and permanently immolated by the greatly improved Super Saiyan or even base Bardock before they could have ever touched anyone.

[Sailor Haumea]

Won't Garlic Jr. just poof back with a new body, though?

[Steven Bloodriver]

Won't Garlic Jr. just poof back with a new body, though?

No, since Garlic Junior is not a Godly being like Zamasu, Garlic Junior would have had the same level of regeneration as Majin Buu. But even without turning Super Saiyan, Bardock would have been more than enough to get rid of Garlic Junior.

[Sailor Haumea]

Won't Garlic Jr. just poof back with a new body, though?

No, since Garlic Junior is not a Godly being like Zamasu, Garlic Junior would have had the same level of regeneration as Majin Buu. But even without turning Super Saiyan, Bardock would have been more than enough to get rid of Garlic Junior.

Immortality is immortality. If you vaporize an immortal, it doesn't matter what species they are. They get a new body.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Won't Garlic Jr. just poof back with a new body, though?

No, since Garlic Junior is not a Godly being like Zamasu, Garlic Junior would have had the same level of regeneration as Majin Buu. But even without turning Super Saiyan, Bardock would have been more than enough to get rid of Garlic Junior.

Immortality is immortality. If you vaporize an immortal, it doesn't matter what species they are. They get a new body.

1) Majin Buu is an Immortal and he still died to the Super Spirit Bomb.

2) Given if you are strong enough, even an Immortal like Future Zamasu, would still be killed by an overwhelming energy attack like a fully-charged Spirit Bomb.

[Sailor Haumea]

No, since Garlic Junior is not a Godly being like Zamasu, Garlic Junior would have had the same level of regeneration as Majin Buu. But even without turning Super Saiyan, Bardock would have been more than enough to get rid of Garlic Junior.

Immortality is immortality. If you vaporize an immortal, it doesn't matter what species they are. They get a new body.

Majin Buu is an Immortal and he still died to the Super Spirit Bomb.

No, Buu can regenerate from atoms. Destroy the atoms and they die.

Garlic Jr. and Zamasu are unable to be annihilated, period.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Immortality is immortality. If you vaporize an immortal, it doesn't matter what species they are. They get a new body.

Majin Buu is an Immortal and he still died to the Super Spirit Bomb.

No, Buu can regenerate from atoms. Destroy the atoms and they die.

Garlic Jr. and Zamasu are unable to be annihilated, period.

1) Majin Buu is indeed an Immortal, but as seen in his fights with the strongest of the Z Fighters and even himself in the Majin Buu Saga, he can still be damaged enough to be killed.

2) If Piccolo had not been weakened by Kami being attacked by his predecessors, he would been able to completely destroy the Immortal Garlic.

3) If Vegeta wasn't such a dick to everything and everyone around him, he would have asked Goku or even his own future son to fuse with him with the Potara, and their fusion as Vegito or Vegeks would have been more than strong enough to deal with both Goku Black and Future Zamasu.

4) In short; being gifted with Immortality does not make you completely invincible.

[Sailor Haumea]

Why would the dragon not assume immortal means absolute immortality?

Majin Buu is biologically immortal. He can live forever and regenerate from an atom, but if you annihilate him, he dies.

Meanwhile, Garlic Jr. and Future Zamasu have absolute immortality. They cannot die in any circumstances and their body regenerates nearly instantaneously from any attack.

[Steven Bloodriver]

Why would the dragon not assume immortal means absolute immortality?

Majin Buu is biologically immortal. He can live forever and regenerate from an atom, but if you annihilate him, he dies.

Meanwhile, Garlic Jr. and Future Zamasu have absolute immortality. They cannot die in any circumstances and their body regenerates nearly instantaneously from any attack.

1) Look at Shenron, he is an Eternal Dragon with strict limits to his power. For while he did give Garlic Junior Immortality to an extent, destroying Garlic Junior's body to the point where nothing remains would cause his Immortal regeneration to stop.

2) Cell is the one who's biologically Immortal, not Buu. The latter that is the Pink Demon is the true Immortal of the two, as despite not being a Deity of any kind himself, he had been born to naturally be one. But since he was almost killed by his pure evil manifested in physical form, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Vegito, Super Vegito, and Kid Buu, and actually dying off for real to Super Saiyan Goku's Super Spirit Bomb, this proves an Immortal can still be killed if you're strong enough.

3) Even with his Immortality from his wish to Super Shenron, Future Zamasu would not have survived a Universal Spirit Bomb like the one used to put an end to Omega Shenron for good.

[miguelnuva1]

Why would the dragon not assume immortal means absolute immortality?

Majin Buu is biologically immortal. He can live forever and regenerate from an atom, but if you annihilate him, he dies.

Meanwhile, Garlic Jr. and Future Zamasu have absolute immortality. They cannot die in any circumstances and their body regenerates nearly instantaneously from any attack.

1) Look at Shenron, he is an Eternal Dragon with strict limits to his power. For while he did give Garlic Junior Immortality to an extent, destroying Garlic Junior's body to the point where nothing remains would cause his Immortal regeneration to stop.

2) Cell is the one who's biologically Immortal, not Buu. The latter that is the Pink Demon is the true Immortal of the two, as despite not being a Deity of any kind himself, he had been born to naturally be one. But since he was almost killed by his pure evil manifested in physical form, Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, Ultimate Gohan, Vegito, Super Vegito, and Kid Buu, and actually dying off for real to Super Saiyan Goku's Super Spirit Bomb, this proves an Immortal can still be killed if you're strong enough.

3) Even with his Immortality from his wish to Super Shenron, Future Zamasu would not have survived a Universal Spirit Bomb like the one used to put an end to Omega Shenron for good.

Everything you posted on this last page has been an assumption.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Goku unlocked Super Saiyan 2 during his battle with Frieza? What if he was the only Super Saiyan?

[AvatarReiko]

Let's say, hypothetically, that Post-Potential Krillin and Gohan fuse with Potara. How strong would they be? Which form of Frieza would Goillin/Krilohan get to before reaching their limit? Would they even clear the Ginyu force?

Assume Goillin/Krilohan doesn't have Gohan's pacifist nature

Time for speculation.

[Lionel]

They have similar builds, virtually even power levels (assuming this is prior to the battle with the Ginyu Force), and are biologically compatible with each other. Potara fusion should be highly advantageous for these two -- maybe not as great as Vegetto's multiplier, but I estimate it to be in the low hundreds. Here's my guesstimated numbers...

Gohan: 15,000
Krillin: 14,000

15,000 + 14,000 = 29,000 x 400 = 11,600,000

Krilohan can overcome anything up until Freeza in his non-suppressed form. It would require an incredible rage induced power upsurge for him to have any hope of destroying Freeza at his best.

[Sailor Haumea]

Okay, here's one...

What if Master Shen and Mercenary Tao fought the Saiyans along with the others?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, here's one...

What if Master Shen and Mercenary Tao fought the Saiyans along with the others?

They would get killed instantly.

Let's say, hypothetically, that Post-Potential Krillin and Gohan fuse with Potara. How strong would they be? Which form of Frieza would Goillin/Krilohan get to before reaching their limit? Would they even clear the Ginyu force?

Assume Goillin/Krilohan doesn't have Gohan's pacifist nature

Time for speculation.

Kuririn's battle power was stated to be 75,000 by the time the Frieza battle started, so he's already above the Ginyus, except for the captain. Let's say Gohan is twice as strong at 150,000, he can singlehandedly clear the Ginyus.
Now, for the fusion...
Since they're not so compatible let's go with a 10x multiplier.
(75,000 + 150,000) X 10 = 2,250,000

So they could take on third form Frieza and fight about evenly.

[Lunatic Fringe]

What if Trunks never returned to the main timeline once three years had passed?

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Trunks never returned to the main timeline once three years had passed?

The Z fighters wouldn't know about 17 and 18 and would all get killed.

[miguelnuva1]

What if Trunks never returned to the main timeline once three years had passed?

The Z fighters wouldn't know about 17 and 18 and would all get killed.

I assume he means no Trunks in the Android saga.

Cell saga plays out the same, Trunks dies alone in the future. Cell becomes perfect, Black ultimately destroys Cell.

[TheUltimateNinja]

What if Trunks never returned to the main timeline once three years had passed?

The Z fighters wouldn't know about 17 and 18 and would all get killed.

I assume he means no Trunks in the Android saga.

Cell saga plays out the same, Trunks dies alone in the future. Cell becomes perfect, Black ultimately destroys Cell.

That's what I'm saying, without Trunks they wouldn't know of the existence of 17 and 18, until he showed up they thought 19 and 20 were the androids.

[ekrolo2]

If Goku killed Supreme Kai when he got in his way, would the revived Kibito still take Gohan to their world to undergo Z-sword training or would this decision screw everyone over in the long run?