Dragonball GT Question

Super 17 · Post by **Super 17** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:09 pm

This has bothered me for a long time, but is the dragon in GT the most powerful one,because of what i hear, it can grant any wish, so is that true. So how come they never used those dragonball earlier, like to kill the saiyans, I mean I don't get it, are those the normal dragonballs or did dende create news ones in GT. I mean wasen't the dragon always green, and then all of a sudden in GT its really big and red.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:29 pm

I don't know if he can grant absolutely ANY wish... But: (SPOILERS for GT, if you don't want to know, since it seems you haven't watched it)

The red dragon from GT comes from a different set of dragonballs: the Black-Star Dragonballs, which are more powerful because they were supposedly created before Kami and Piccolo split apart, back when they were most powerful. Also, evidently, after the Black-star balls are used, whatever planet they were used on will get destroyed within one year (a rather large reason for them not using the balls before-hand), unless the balls, which are then scattered into space after use, are brought together again.

Why Kami would create such things I'll never understand. Why would he have them scatter into space? So they can only be used once (space travel wasn't really a possibility back then)? And why make them destroy the planet in a year if he wanted to be Kami, protector of the planet?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:52 pm

Yes, the Red Shenlong (or 'Xuelong' (TM), as I've affectionately called him in my GT Rewrite Fanfic) is far more powerful, apparently. A a general rule of fiction, such freely grantable power usually comes with a price... and the background behind him is kinda vague and weird.

What I have planned in my FanFic is SO much better and jucier. Oh, if you knew!

Drabaz · Post by **Drabaz** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:56 am

The red dragon from GT comes from a different set of dragonballs: the Black-Star Dragonballs, which are more powerful because they were supposedly created before Kami and Piccolo split apart, back when they were most powerful. Also, evidently, after the Black-star balls are used, whatever planet they were used on will get destroyed within one year (a rather large reason for them not using the balls before-hand), unless the balls, which are then scattered into space after use, are brought together again.

Just one of the main reasons GT sucks.

Why Kami would create such things I'll never understand. Why would he have them scatter into space? So they can only be used once (space travel wasn't really a possibility back then)? And why make them destroy the planet in a year if he wanted to be Kami, protector of the planet?

If you had to find an answer for this I geuss you can say it was the evil side of him that decided these rules.

So how come they never used those dragonball earlier, like to kill the saiyans

My geuss is that the balls dissapeared at that time since Kami and Piccolo split. Because if the creater of the balls dies, so do the balls. So basically "Kamiccolo" is "dead" since he is now 2 different Namekians. But when they rejoined their bodies the balls reapeared.

Swift · Post by **Swift** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:28 am

Drabaz wrote:My geuss is that the balls dissapeared at that time since Kami and Piccolo split. Because if the creater of the balls dies, so do the balls. So basically "Kamiccolo" is "dead" since he is now 2 different Namekians. But when they rejoined their bodies the balls reapeared.

Going for in-universe explanations here, then why would Kamiccolo say that there are no Dragonballs left in the Cell saga, after he fused? If Pilaf knew of the Black-star balls, I'd think he would.

Besides, Piccolo was a warrior Namekian, and he and Kami-sama didn't so much rejoin as Piccolo absorbed Kami into himself ("I'm mostly Piccolo anyway..."). In order for this explanation to make sense, wouldn't Kami-sama have to have absorbed Piccolo into himself, instead of the other way around? So that the "magical" Namekian side had dominance over the "warrior" Namekian side? Either that, or they would have to somehow have rejoined equally, if such is possible, since I don't see a "warrior" Namekian sustaining the existence of the magical Dragonballs.

Guess that's just another one of GT's plot holes.

Bura · Post by **Bura** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:13 am

And another plothole... If the original Kami created the blackstar dragonballs before he was split into two, why would Piccolo Daimao not know of the dragonballs in DB? It was Pilaf who told him about them.

*kicks GT*

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 12:56 pm

Well, aside from the the other issues that annoy and confuse, that last thing isn't entirely unbelievable. Piccolo Daimao probably knew the original set of dragonballs were turned to stone at the time of the split. He did not know about the red star set Kami Piccolo made after that. Daimao Piccolo could not make his own, so he was quite pleased to find out about the set Kami Piccolo had made.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:11 pm

Maybe the black star dragonballs were created with no intention of them having negative consequences after use. The black star dragonballs could purely just have been a failure, and nothing else. Thus, I don't believe the black star dragonballs were intentionally supposed to bring about disastrous consequences after use. Then again I haven't seen Dragonball GT from start to finish properly.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Apr 21, 2007 4:56 pm

Snail wrote:Maybe the black star dragonballs were created with no intention of them having negative consequences after use. The black star dragonballs could purely just have been a failure, and nothing else. Thus, I don't believe the black star dragonballs were intentionally supposed to bring about disastrous consequences after use. Then again I haven't seen Dragonball GT from start to finish properly.

Spoilers:

The whole arc with the Black-Star balls pretty much comes to a conclusion in episode 40 "Piccolo's Noble Decision". What happens is Goku and the gang literally run out of time because of a second wish Bebi made, which I believe halved the time they had left since the Black-Star balls hadn't been on Earth long enough to null its destruction, and they didn't have much time before Earth blew up (it was already starting to fall apart during the final two weeks). While everyone's evacuated to the new Tsufurujin planet (and by everyone, I mean the entire population, as we get many cool cameos

), Piccolo secretly decides to remain on Earth in order to see that his death brings an end to his original set of Dragonballs. He helps Goku out in transporting a straggling child by giving him his reserve power, has one final emotional talk with Gohan, then screams to the heavens as he's enveloped. Moori's then threatened at gunpoint to get Porunga to revive the Earth (okay, maybe not gunpoint) and hence fourth, the Black-Star balls are never seen or mentioned again.

So as you can see, you don't even have to see the series start to finish to get the full effect of the Black-Star balls. Goku never gets his natural adult form back (though does get SSJ4 as a Shinichi Kudo tool for those warm nights with Chichi), Black-Star Shenlong and the much hyped third set of Dragonballs are no longer a threat, and Earth blew up anyway! But don't worry, you still get a rehash of the Villains from Hell plot in a terrorizing of the 20-30 year old Z warriors with another Kuririn death (yes, another!) and one final chapter in the legacy of the original set of Dragonballs. They should've just killed Dende, dammit! I would've screamed "Oh my God, they killed Dende; you heroes!"

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