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dbgtFO wrote:Here's the original tankobon version:
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Son Goku: 孫 悟空
Kakarotto: カカロット
I can see Goku(悟空) in the second line in the upper right corner, so it seems this really was a Toriyama goof.
Thank you! I wonder if the anime staff caught on to this and corrected it. I believe they explained why Vegeta has a scouter on Namek after Toriyama drew him leaving without it.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
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Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
ekrolo2 wrote:
Thank you! I wonder if the anime staff caught on to this and corrected it. I believe they explained why Vegeta has a scouter on Namek after Toriyama drew him leaving without it.
No problem
And yeah, they had him take the scouter from that doctor, that was treating him right? Maybe they did correct it, like they removed any specific mention of Androids #19 & #20 by Trunks.
ekrolo2 wrote:
Thank you! I wonder if the anime staff caught on to this and corrected it. I believe they explained why Vegeta has a scouter on Namek after Toriyama drew him leaving without it.
No problem
And yeah, they had him take the scouter from that doctor, that was treating him right? Maybe they did correct it, like they removed any specific mention of Androids #19 & #20 by Trunks.
Oh wow, I didn't know they fixed that too. And they did correct it in episode 166, he says Kakarot instead of Goku.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
You know, for all the derision that Goku gets for always "hogging the spotlight" when he saves the day by killing off the bad guy, I think a lot of those people fail to realize just how much of those moments usually rely on a lot of teamwork or interference on Goku's behalf. Freeza and Pure Buu are the two biggest examples of that.
Soppa Saia People wrote:How does Gohan currently look in Super ? Did they keep his god awful ROF design ?
No. It's back to BOG.
Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku is bone chillingly good. It was such a good fucking way to pit them against each other and Vegeta's dialogue during the fight is just amazing. I know the manga kind of skipped by it but the anime really rectified it's mistake.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Soppa Saia People wrote:How does Gohan currently look in Super ? Did they keep his god awful ROF design ?
No. It's back to BOG.
Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku is bone chillingly good. It was such a good fucking way to pit them against each other and Vegeta's dialogue during the fight is just amazing. I know the manga kind of skipped by it but the anime really rectified it's mistake.
The repeatedly given official character weights are ridiculously light for how the characters are drawn (e.g. 137 lbs Goku, 130 lbs Vegeta). Is this a Japanese thing? I also notice improbably low weights being given in Japanese fighting games and such.
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RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
RandomGuy96 wrote:The repeatedly given official character weights are ridiculously light for how the characters are drawn (e.g. 137 lbs Goku, 130 lbs Vegeta). Is this a Japanese thing? I also notice improbably low weights being given in Japanese fighting games and such.
It's definitely a Japanese thing. For example, Pokemon all have implausibly low weights for their stated sizes. Onix - a 9 meter rock snake - weighs only 210kg/463lbs. Ryu from Street Fighter only weighs 85kg, but he looks more muscly than any MMA fighter. I remember some characters from the Hokuto no Ken/Fist of The North Star manga that were implausibly light in their listed weights despite looking like giants. I guess we're supposed to assume artistic exaggeration is going on and there's some real world analogue somewhere that looks totally different.
kinisking wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku is bone chillingly good. It was such a good fucking way to pit them against each other and Vegeta's dialogue during the fight is just amazing. I know the manga kind of skipped by it but the anime really rectified it's mistake.
Talking about this epic match, blood and scratches like this are really something that I miss in Super:
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
kinisking wrote:Majin Vegeta Vs. Goku is bone chillingly good. It was such a good fucking way to pit them against each other and Vegeta's dialogue during the fight is just amazing. I know the manga kind of skipped by it but the anime really rectified it's mistake.
Talking about this epic match, blood and scratches like this are really something that I miss in Super:
Can't disagree with this at all. Blood makes me so happy whenever i see it in super because there is so little.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote: Maybe I should start making it a point not to comment when I'm not sure of something. Too many people know what they're talking about around here.
Disclaimer: I might get into a disagreement with you. Sometimes I might even get feisty about it. I'll never harbor negative feelings because of it though. I hope you feel the same way!
I made a bet with Alee9977 that Vegeta won't be beaten quickly by an opponent. If I lose, I switch my avatar to Vegeta getting beat by hit. If I win, he switches it to Vegeta holding Black by his hair. This will last a month.
Can someone clear some confusion up for me? Toei apparently have all the audio masters for GT, unlike with DB and Z. Is it the Dragon Boxes that don't use it, but all the other releases do? Or does Funi's also not have it?
The point of Dragon Ball is to enjoy it. Never lose sight of that.
Robo4900 wrote:Can someone clear some confusion up for me? Toei apparently have all the audio masters for GT, unlike with DB and Z. Is it the Dragon Boxes that don't have it, but every other release does? Or does Funi's also not have it?
The original audio for GT exists in its entirety, but I don't think it's on any home release. That's the extent of my understanding on the matter.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Sorry for double post, I wanted to make a thread, but I think it's better to post here:
Anyone knows how was the story of Cell's timeline? It had the same events presented on TV Special 2 and Trunks coming back to the past warning Goku about the androids and giving him the medicine? And then coming back to his timeline where he did found a way to defeat the androids (remote control) and when he's about to go to the past again to warn the others he was killed by Cell? Is that right?
Could the Trunks that we first see be the one that was killed by Cell? The second one was from another timeline that didn't had the remote? That would be kinda dark lol
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Are we too old to enjoy new Dragon Ball movies/series?
Spoiler:
Nickolaidas wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:10 am
Guys, I'm going to be straight with you. If you feel the show has gotten 'silly' ... it hasn't. You're just 'too old for this shit'. Seriously, 95% of the people in those boards do not fit the target demographic of the show, so don't expect the show to be 'everything you hoped for'. I'm referring to the people here who expect Super to be rich with dark moments, serious storytelling, meaningful characters etc etc. It won't. It's a show for kids. A show for kids being kids. Everyone in those boards has a manchild in him/her, clamoring to get out, and that's fine. But having unrealistic expectations (such as believing the show grew up alongside you) is naïve at best. Honestly, do you take seriously a story where the supposed God of Destruction halts his urges to blow up stuff in order to eat ice cream sundae? That's the show's silliness at full force, take it for what it is. The show hasn't matured one bit, so don't expect it too. Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying *that* is DB and always will be.
Noah wrote:Sorry for double post, I wanted to make a thread, but I think it's better to post here:
Anyone knows how was the story of Cell's timeline? It had the same events presented on TV Special 2 and Trunks coming back to the past warning Goku about the androids and giving him the medicine? And then coming back to his timeline where he did found a way to defeat the androids (remote control) and when he's about to go to the past again to warn the other he was killed by Cell? Is that right?
Could the Trunks that we first see be the one that was killed by Cell? The second one was from another timeline that didn't had the remote? That would be kinda dark lol
Cell claims a Trunks from his timeline killed Frieza and Cold.
Cell's timeline is like the main timeline, but everyone dies to the androids for whatever reason. It's a "bad ending", basically.
"That's right, everyone of my race can become a giant gorilla!" - Tullece (AB Groupe dub)
Noah wrote:Could the Trunks that we first see be the one that was killed by Cell? The second one was from another timeline that didn't had the remote? That would be kinda dark lol
They Trunks we meet and the one killed by Cell should be the "same" Trunks until Cell alters the past.
Just as Trunks "splits" Goku into one version who is saved by the heart medicine, and another who remains dead, by altering his history, so too does Cell interfering in Trunks' personal past (the fact that it involves Trunks literally visiting the historical past is immaterial) split future events so that there's one Trunks who remains dead at the hands of Cell and another who's able to save himself.
Technically the divergence for Trunks/the future era would happen as soon as he returns from giving Goku the heart medicine. Any differences encountered in the past by Trunks at that point would be extremely minor—just the butterfly effects of Cell's presence—but minor counts.
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