Characters can only amp attacks when it's convenient to the plot.Bullza wrote:I checked. They indeed have Saibaman at 1,200 and Vegeta at 18,000, their normal power levels but then have Gohan at 2,800 which is when he does the Masenko.
For some reason Piccolo is as high as 3,500 which isn't far off Nappa even though he said he had no chance against him and that Gohan was stronger than him if he had to be.
Piccolo should be at 2,500 instead.
They don't really make much sense. At the start of Z Goku's power level was 416 and he could do Kamehameha's at over 900.
So if Goku using Kaioken x4 was at 32,000 then why is his Kamehameha not at above 70,000? The Daizenshuu shows a picture of Kaioken x4 Goku using a Kamehameha but still has that at 32,000 but then it just has a picture of Gohan and says that's 2,800 but when that was when he did a move.
If Frieza at 50% was at 60 million then why did Goku using Kaioken x20 which also put him at 60 million not kill Frieza with a Kamehameha that should have been over 100 million?
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Then why would Raditz in armour be concerned with a power level of 1,330?Same reason that a 900 something Kamehameha didn't kill a 400 something Piccolo during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai?
Those numbers come from the Weekly Shonen Jump anyway and they're pretty lousy as is so I don't place any stock in them especially with what they put Kami and Mr Popo at.
The only ones worth paying any mind to is the Daizenshuu ones.
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Maybe characters can also amp defense along with offense, and Raditz is just a scrub who can't do this.Bullza wrote:Then why would Raditz in armour be concerned with a power level of 1,330?Same reason that a 900 something Kamehameha didn't kill a 400 something Piccolo during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai?
Those numbers come from the Weekly Shonen Jump anyway and they're pretty lousy as is so I don't place any stock in them especially with what they put Kami and Mr Popo at.
The only ones worth paying any mind to is the Daizenshuu ones.
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If characters can amplify their attacks beyond their normal levels, they can probably do the same for defense. Raditz can't do either. The numbers I choose came from the Raditz fight itself, on the assumption that neither Goku nor Piccolo changed too much since their last fight.Bullza wrote:Then why would Raditz in armour be concerned with a power level of 1,330?
Those numbers come from the Weekly Shonen Jump anyway and they're pretty lousy as is so I don't place any stock in them especially with what they put Kami and Mr Popo at.
The only ones worth paying any mind to is the Daizenshuu ones.
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It makes no sense that Goku and Piccolo barely increased in strength 5 years after the tournament, Piccolo swore he'd get revenge on Goku and probably trained his butt off every day for those 5 years, and Goku isn't the type to slack off either, especially when he knows there's a threat.DanielSSJ wrote:If characters can amplify their attacks beyond their normal levels, they can probably do the same for defense. Raditz can't do either. The numbers I choose came from the Raditz fight itself, on the assumption that neither Goku nor Piccolo changed too much since their last fight.Bullza wrote:Then why would Raditz in armour be concerned with a power level of 1,330?
Those numbers come from the Weekly Shonen Jump anyway and they're pretty lousy as is so I don't place any stock in them especially with what they put Kami and Mr Popo at.
The only ones worth paying any mind to is the Daizenshuu ones.
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I believe, and always will, that Raditz is 1200 (or at least 1250) of power, instead of that popular 1500 number the Daizenshuu gives...
Anyway, the same case is with Piccolo in the battle vs Nappa. I put him in my list as 2500 instead of the Daizenshuu's 3500 (1970 with weighted clothes). Not only because he's too close to Nappa's 4000, but it's also because Gohan's rage state should be above Piccolo. 2800 is Gohan's Masenko with full rage, so Piccolo should be below that, 2500 fits well.
As for the 5 years pre Z, I always found that the gains the Z warriors have in Z are much bigger than what they have in Dragon Ball.
Anyway, the same case is with Piccolo in the battle vs Nappa. I put him in my list as 2500 instead of the Daizenshuu's 3500 (1970 with weighted clothes). Not only because he's too close to Nappa's 4000, but it's also because Gohan's rage state should be above Piccolo. 2800 is Gohan's Masenko with full rage, so Piccolo should be below that, 2500 fits well.
As for the 5 years pre Z, I always found that the gains the Z warriors have in Z are much bigger than what they have in Dragon Ball.
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My new DBZ power levels (not factoring the Boo saga).
Saiyans Saga
Raditz arc
Muten Roshi : 60
~Buff : 139
Chaozu : 145
Yajirobe : 145
Yamcha : 177
Kuririn : 206
Tenshinhan : 250
Mr. Popo : 275
Kami-sama : 310
Piccolo Junior (weighted) : 322
~Unweighted : 408
~Light of Death : 1,330
Son Goku (weighted) : 334
~Unweighted : 416
~Kamehameha : 924
Son Gohan : 1
~Spaceship level : 710
~Enranged : 1,307
Raditz : 1,250
Kaio-sama : 3,500
Vegeta arc
Yajirobe : 800
Chaozu : 1,000
Saibaiman : 1,200
Son Gohan : 1,307
Yamcha : 1,350
Kuririn : 1,625
Tenshinhan : 1,750
Piccolo Junior : 2,500
Son Gohan (enranged + Masenko) : 2,800
Nappa (vs Z warriors) : 4,000
~Full power : 7,500
Son Goku : 8,050
~Kaioken : 16,100
~Kaioken x3 : 24,150
Vegeta : 18,000
~Oozaru : 100,000
~Post Oozaru : 4,000
~Post Genki-Dama : 1,250
Freeza saga
Namek arc
Son Gohan : 1,500
Kuririn : 1,500
~Weighted : 1,750
Nameks warriors (suppressed) : 1,000
~Full power : 3,000
Cui : 18,000
Dodoria : 20,000
Zarbon : 22,000
~Monster : 29,000
Vegeta : 24,000
~Post Zarbon Zenkai : 29,900
Ginyu arc
Gurd : 8,000
Kuririn : 11,000
Son Gohan : 12,000
Vegeta : 29,900
Recoome : 40,000
Butta : 40,000
Jheese : 40,000
Ginyu (suppressed) : 70,000
~Full power : 120,000
Son Goku (heavily suppressed) : 5,000
~Vs Ginyus : 66,000
~Full power : 90,000
~Kaioken : 180,000
Ginyu arc part 2
Ginyu-Goku : 23,000
Kuririn : 24,000
Son Gohan : 26,000
Jheese : 40,000
Nail : 42,000
Vegeta (little effort) : 44,000
~Vs Jheese (still suppressed) : 250,000
Frreeza arc
Kuririn : 250,000
Son Gohan : 280,000
Piccolo (post Kaio training) : 300,000
Vegeta : 480,000
Freeza (1st form) : 530,000
Freeza arc part 2
Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,000,000
Son Gohan (Zenkai) : 900,000
Freeza 2nd form (initial) : 1,060,000
~Power up : 1,200,000
~Full power : 1,400,000
Piccolo post Nail (weighted) : 1,250,000
~Unweighted : 1,500,000
Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,600,000
~Masenko : 1,900,000
Freeza (3rd form) : 2,000,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) : 2,400,000
Freeza final form (initial) : 3,300,000
~50% : 70,000,000
~70% : 98,000,000
~100% : 140,000,000
Son Goku : 3,000,000
~Kaioken x 10 : 30,000,000
~Kaioken x 20 : 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 150,000,000
Cell saga
Mecha Freeza arc
Piccolo : 3,300,000
Vegeta : 3,500,000
King Cold : 100,000,000
Mecha Freeza (suppressed) : 100,000,000
~Full power : 155,000,000
Future Trunks : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000
Son Goku : 4,400,000
~Super Saiyajin : 220,000,000
Future Trunks arc
Future Trunks (age 14) : 64,000
~Super Saiyajin : 3,200,000
Future Gohan (1 arm) : 3,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 180,000,000
Future Trunks (age 17) : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000
Future #18 : 330,000,000
Future #17 : 360,000,000
Androids arc
Yamcha : 2,400,000
Tenshinhan : 3,200,000
Kuririn : 4,000,000
Son Gohan : 4,800,000
Android #19 : 168,000,000
~Post absorptions : 210,000,000
Android #20 : 190,000,000
~Post absorptions : 227,500,000
Piccolo : 260,000,000
Future Trunks : 6,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 300,000,000
Son Goku : 6,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 330,000,000
Vegeta : 6,800,000
~Super Saiyajin : 340,000,000
Android #18 : 450,000,000
Android #17 : 500,000,000
Cell arc
Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town) : 390,000,000
Piccolo (after fusing with Kami, weighted) : 450,000,000
Android #18 : 450,000,000
Android #17 : 500,000,000
Piccolo (unweighted) : 520,000,000
Imperfect Cell (post humans absorptions) : 1,000,000,000
Android #16 : 1,000,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (initial) : 2,000,000,000
~Full power : 2,500,000,000
Vegeta (post Rosat) : 40,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 2,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,300,000,000
Future Trunks (post Rosat) : 37,500,000
~Super Saiyajin : 1,875,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,100,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 3 : 8,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (initial) : 3,000,000,000
~Vs Vegeta and Trunks : 6,600,000,000
10 days of peace
Son Goku Super Saiyajin (50%) : 6,600,000,000
Piccolo (post Rosat) : 7,000,000,000
Cell Games
Yamcha : 2,400,000
Tenshinhan : 3,200,000
Kuririn : 4,000,000
Android #16 : 1,000,000,000
Piccolo : 7,000,000,000
Future Trunks (post 2nd year in Rosat) : 170,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 8,500,000,000
Vegeta (post 2nd year in Rosat) : 176,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 8,800,000,000
Cell Juniors : 9,000,000,000
Son Goku : 264,000,000
~Super Saiyajin (warming up) : 6,600,000,000
~Super Saiyajin full power : 13,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin (tired) : 4,500,000,000
Perfect Cell (warming up) : 6,600,000,000
~Vs Goku : 15,000,000,000
~Vs Gohan (real speed) : 18,000,000,000
~Full power : 24,000,000,000
~Post Zenkai : 36,000,000,000
Son Gohan : 360,000,000
~Super Saiyajin full power : 18,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 2 : 40,000,000,000
Saiyans Saga
Raditz arc
Muten Roshi : 60
~Buff : 139
Chaozu : 145
Yajirobe : 145
Yamcha : 177
Kuririn : 206
Tenshinhan : 250
Mr. Popo : 275
Kami-sama : 310
Piccolo Junior (weighted) : 322
~Unweighted : 408
~Light of Death : 1,330
Son Goku (weighted) : 334
~Unweighted : 416
~Kamehameha : 924
Son Gohan : 1
~Spaceship level : 710
~Enranged : 1,307
Raditz : 1,250
Kaio-sama : 3,500
Vegeta arc
Yajirobe : 800
Chaozu : 1,000
Saibaiman : 1,200
Son Gohan : 1,307
Yamcha : 1,350
Kuririn : 1,625
Tenshinhan : 1,750
Piccolo Junior : 2,500
Son Gohan (enranged + Masenko) : 2,800
Nappa (vs Z warriors) : 4,000
~Full power : 7,500
Son Goku : 8,050
~Kaioken : 16,100
~Kaioken x3 : 24,150
Vegeta : 18,000
~Oozaru : 100,000
~Post Oozaru : 4,000
~Post Genki-Dama : 1,250
Freeza saga
Namek arc
Son Gohan : 1,500
Kuririn : 1,500
~Weighted : 1,750
Nameks warriors (suppressed) : 1,000
~Full power : 3,000
Cui : 18,000
Dodoria : 20,000
Zarbon : 22,000
~Monster : 29,000
Vegeta : 24,000
~Post Zarbon Zenkai : 29,900
Ginyu arc
Gurd : 8,000
Kuririn : 11,000
Son Gohan : 12,000
Vegeta : 29,900
Recoome : 40,000
Butta : 40,000
Jheese : 40,000
Ginyu (suppressed) : 70,000
~Full power : 120,000
Son Goku (heavily suppressed) : 5,000
~Vs Ginyus : 66,000
~Full power : 90,000
~Kaioken : 180,000
Ginyu arc part 2
Ginyu-Goku : 23,000
Kuririn : 24,000
Son Gohan : 26,000
Jheese : 40,000
Nail : 42,000
Vegeta (little effort) : 44,000
~Vs Jheese (still suppressed) : 250,000
Frreeza arc
Kuririn : 250,000
Son Gohan : 280,000
Piccolo (post Kaio training) : 300,000
Vegeta : 480,000
Freeza (1st form) : 530,000
Freeza arc part 2
Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,000,000
Son Gohan (Zenkai) : 900,000
Freeza 2nd form (initial) : 1,060,000
~Power up : 1,200,000
~Full power : 1,400,000
Piccolo post Nail (weighted) : 1,250,000
~Unweighted : 1,500,000
Son Gohan (enranged) : 1,600,000
~Masenko : 1,900,000
Freeza (3rd form) : 2,000,000
Vegeta (Zenkai) : 2,400,000
Freeza final form (initial) : 3,300,000
~50% : 70,000,000
~70% : 98,000,000
~100% : 140,000,000
Son Goku : 3,000,000
~Kaioken x 10 : 30,000,000
~Kaioken x 20 : 60,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 150,000,000
Cell saga
Mecha Freeza arc
Piccolo : 3,300,000
Vegeta : 3,500,000
King Cold : 100,000,000
Mecha Freeza (suppressed) : 100,000,000
~Full power : 155,000,000
Future Trunks : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000
Son Goku : 4,400,000
~Super Saiyajin : 220,000,000
Future Trunks arc
Future Trunks (age 14) : 64,000
~Super Saiyajin : 3,200,000
Future Gohan (1 arm) : 3,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 180,000,000
Future Trunks (age 17) : 4,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 200,000,000
Future #18 : 330,000,000
Future #17 : 360,000,000
Androids arc
Yamcha : 2,400,000
Tenshinhan : 3,200,000
Kuririn : 4,000,000
Son Gohan : 4,800,000
Android #19 : 168,000,000
~Post absorptions : 210,000,000
Android #20 : 190,000,000
~Post absorptions : 227,500,000
Piccolo : 260,000,000
Future Trunks : 6,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 300,000,000
Son Goku : 6,600,000
~Super Saiyajin : 330,000,000
Vegeta : 6,800,000
~Super Saiyajin : 340,000,000
Android #18 : 450,000,000
Android #17 : 500,000,000
Cell arc
Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town) : 390,000,000
Piccolo (after fusing with Kami, weighted) : 450,000,000
Android #18 : 450,000,000
Android #17 : 500,000,000
Piccolo (unweighted) : 520,000,000
Imperfect Cell (post humans absorptions) : 1,000,000,000
Android #16 : 1,000,000,000
Semi Perfect Cell (initial) : 2,000,000,000
~Full power : 2,500,000,000
Vegeta (post Rosat) : 40,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 2,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,300,000,000
Future Trunks (post Rosat) : 37,500,000
~Super Saiyajin : 1,875,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 2 : 3,100,000,000
~Super Saiyajin Grade 3 : 8,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (initial) : 3,000,000,000
~Vs Vegeta and Trunks : 6,600,000,000
10 days of peace
Son Goku Super Saiyajin (50%) : 6,600,000,000
Piccolo (post Rosat) : 7,000,000,000
Cell Games
Yamcha : 2,400,000
Tenshinhan : 3,200,000
Kuririn : 4,000,000
Android #16 : 1,000,000,000
Piccolo : 7,000,000,000
Future Trunks (post 2nd year in Rosat) : 170,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 8,500,000,000
Vegeta (post 2nd year in Rosat) : 176,000,000
~Super Saiyajin : 8,800,000,000
Cell Juniors : 9,000,000,000
Son Goku : 264,000,000
~Super Saiyajin (warming up) : 6,600,000,000
~Super Saiyajin full power : 13,200,000,000
~Super Saiyajin (tired) : 4,500,000,000
Perfect Cell (warming up) : 6,600,000,000
~Vs Goku : 15,000,000,000
~Vs Gohan (real speed) : 18,000,000,000
~Full power : 24,000,000,000
~Post Zenkai : 36,000,000,000
Son Gohan : 360,000,000
~Super Saiyajin full power : 18,000,000,000
~Super Saiyajin 2 : 40,000,000,000
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Yeah I might just ignore the Daizenshuu power levels when making my own list. They don't mesh well with the power levels in the manga or things that were said.
Like I said they have Piccolo at 3,500 whereas angry Gohan was at 2,800 even though Piccolo said his power surpassed his if he put his mind to it. Plus they seem pretty surprised by the 2,800 which is kinda odd if Piccolo was significantly higher.
So yeah I might not take any outside manga/anime power levels into account, well maybe some if they aren't contradictory.
Like I said they have Piccolo at 3,500 whereas angry Gohan was at 2,800 even though Piccolo said his power surpassed his if he put his mind to it. Plus they seem pretty surprised by the 2,800 which is kinda odd if Piccolo was significantly higher.
So yeah I might not take any outside manga/anime power levels into account, well maybe some if they aren't contradictory.
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Yeah, I recommend to read the Daizenshuu power levels as long as they don't contradict the manga.Bullza wrote:Yeah I might just ignore the Daizenshuu power levels when making my own list. They don't mesh well with the power levels in the manga or things that were said.
Like I said they have Piccolo at 3,500 whereas angry Gohan was at 2,800 even though Piccolo said his power surpassed his if he put his mind to it. Plus they seem pretty surprised by the 2,800 which is kinda odd if Piccolo was significantly higher.
So yeah I might not take any outside manga/anime power levels into account, well maybe some if they aren't contradictory.
Another example is in Dragon Ball (before Z). If you had ever read or watched the 22nd Budokai, the King Piccolo arc and the 23rd Budokai, then you'll find that those "official" numbers of 180 and 260 do NOT make sense with the power levels they give us of the Z warriors in the Raditz arc (250 for Tien, 139 for Roshi, etc).
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Yeah I brought up that up myself several pages back. King Piccolo and Kid Goku are supposedly at 260 and Tien at the start of DBZ is at 250 even though Tien was confident enough in beating Goku.Another example is in Dragon Ball (before Z). If you had ever read or watched the 22nd Budokai, the King Piccolo arc and the 23rd Budokai, then you'll find that those "official" numbers of 180 and 260 do NOT make sense with the power levels they give us of the Z warriors in the Raditz arc (250 for Tien, 139 for Roshi, etc).
When Tien was fighting Goku he said he'd improved though his speed had stayed the same and then he started to knock him around.
So 23rd Budokai Tien was getting the upper hand over a Goku who had improved since his fight with King Piccolo....but by the start of DBZ Tien is weaker than Kid Goku. It makes no sense.
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I agree completely. It's a shame that when it comes to the pre-Z power levels, those 260 and 180 numbers are now sticking to the fans (who most of them only saw Z and not the early DB series), and just say: hey King Piccolo is stated to have 260! And Tien has 180! Let's just use these numbers to make out how strong all these characters are!.Bullza wrote:Yeah I brought up that up myself several pages back. King Piccolo and Kid Goku are supposedly at 260 and Tien at the start of DBZ is at 250 even though Tien was confident enough in beating Goku.Another example is in Dragon Ball (before Z). If you had ever read or watched the 22nd Budokai, the King Piccolo arc and the 23rd Budokai, then you'll find that those "official" numbers of 180 and 260 do NOT make sense with the power levels they give us of the Z warriors in the Raditz arc (250 for Tien, 139 for Roshi, etc).
When Tien was fighting Goku he said he'd improved though his speed had stayed the same and then he started to knock him around.
So 23rd Budokai Tien was getting the upper hand over a Goku who had improved since his fight with King Piccolo....but by the start of DBZ Tien is weaker than Kid Goku. It makes no sense.
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I have full power perfect cell exactly 10 times strong as full power freezaTheUltimateNinja wrote:How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?
Personally I have:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 3.33x Frieza
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 6.25x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 8.33x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 10x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Initial): 12x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Warming up): 12.5-14x Frieza
Buff Cell: 16.66x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku Initial): 20x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku): 32.5x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Gohan): 35.5x Frieza
FP Perfect Cell: 42.5x Frieza
Power Weighted Cell: 50x Frieza
Super Perfect Cell: 70x Frieza
And full power kid buu exactly 10 times as strong as full power cell, i.e. 12 billion.
While I don't put much stock into daizenshuu numbers, you can justify it by krillin being enraged and at full power while Zarbon instance is krillin at slightly below full power. Plus, gohan could be at 1350 or something like that, while krillin could be 1700.Bullza wrote:Does Gohan and Krillin releasing their Ki on Namek and both being around 1,500 contradict the Daizenshuu numbers that have Krillin at 1,770?
He surely got stronger after the image training with Gohan so 1,500 seems too low if you take those Daizenshuu numbers into account.
Kamehameha doesn't increase battle power. It releases full power at once.Bullza wrote:I checked. They indeed have Saibaman at 1,200 and Vegeta at 18,000, their normal power levels but then have Gohan at 2,800 which is when he does the Masenko.
For some reason Piccolo is as high as 3,500 which isn't far off Nappa even though he said he had no chance against him and that Gohan was stronger than him if he had to be.
Piccolo should be at 2,500 instead.
They don't really make much sense. At the start of Z Goku's power level was 416 and he could do Kamehameha's at over 900.
So if Goku using Kaioken x4 was at 32,000 then why is his Kamehameha not at above 70,000? The Daizenshuu shows a picture of Kaioken x4 Goku using a Kamehameha but still has that at 32,000 but then it just has a picture of Gohan and says that's 2,800 but when that was when he did a move.
If Frieza at 50% was at 60 million then why did Goku using Kaioken x20 which also put him at 60 million not kill Frieza with a Kamehameha that should have been over 100 million?
So, 924 is goku's full power level. 416 is his calm / suppressed power lvl. Kami told him to not waste movements, so if he is walking around with power level of 924, he will waste a lot of energy.
There is a reason why even an, tired injured piccolo is powerful enough to stomp fresh tien, Krillin, Kami , Yamcha and roshi at the same time.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
With the 1500 power of Gohan and Krillin on Namek, Krillin is seen with weight clothes at that scene. He's probably 1900 or 2000 at full power. Given how in the Saiyan saga he was 1770.
As for Gohan, remember that without his rage, his power was still inferior to probably even Yamcha. Supressed he was 981, while fighting he's probably at 1000 to 1300 at least, so between that time to the Namek arc his power might increase to 1500.
Or maybe they were just both supressed.
As for Gohan, remember that without his rage, his power was still inferior to probably even Yamcha. Supressed he was 981, while fighting he's probably at 1000 to 1300 at least, so between that time to the Namek arc his power might increase to 1500.
Or maybe they were just both supressed.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Wouldn't that make Piccolo significantly stronger than Goku then?Kamehameha doesn't increase battle power. It releases full power at once.
And what about Vegeta at 18,000 being able to match blasts with Goku using Kaioken x3 at 24,000. Vegeta couldn't suppress his Ki like that.
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WHy would it make piccolo much stronger than goku?Bullza wrote:Wouldn't that make Piccolo significantly stronger than Goku then?Kamehameha doesn't increase battle power. It releases full power at once.
And what about Vegeta at 18,000 being able to match blasts with Goku using Kaioken x3 at 24,000. Vegeta couldn't suppress his Ki like that.
Makankosappo (if you are talking about it) actually increases the battle power. It charges & gathers ki. From what I remember (although I may be mistaken), when piccolo gathers ki, the reading starts increasing around 1000. This means his true BP is around 1000, like goku.
Goku was rapidly losing power due to using kaioken x3. King kai explicitly stated that his body can't hope to handle kaioken x3. This is why he was able to only barely match galick gun, which, by that point, would have been no more than around 16000-17000. This means that his kaioken x4 kamehameha at that point should have been around 23000.
It is around the same level as Namek saga vegeta was. A prolonged exposure, or a direct off guard hit from this level of attack could have taken out vegeta. He was lucky that he wasn't off-guard and he jumped out of beam's way after being hit by it.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Ehhh I don't know about any of that. Raditz said Goku's Kamehameha was at 924 and rising so wouldn't that be charging just the same?
I don't recall anything about Goku rapidly losing power. When he used Kaioken x3 Bulma was checking his power level and watched at it reached 21,000 before exploding and it was only shortly after he did the Kamehameha.
I don't recall anything about Goku rapidly losing power. When he used Kaioken x3 Bulma was checking his power level and watched at it reached 21,000 before exploding and it was only shortly after he did the Kamehameha.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
It exploded at 22000 from what I remember (like several scouters on namek) . Maybe 22000 was the peak of some scouters?Bullza wrote:Ehhh I don't know about any of that. Raditz said Goku's Kamehameha was at 924 and rising so wouldn't that be charging just the same?
I don't recall anything about Goku rapidly losing power. When he used Kaioken x3 Bulma was checking his power level and watched at it reached 21,000 before exploding and it was only shortly after he did the Kamehameha.
Anyways, goku did several blows at vegeta, who got angry. I think it was mentioned about goku losing power, not sure though (by goku himself)
But again, his body was all buffed up, showing he had more power than his body can handle.
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How do you fit the gaps in the Cell Saga with FP Cell being so weak? Even if you lowball the Z fighters and initial Cell massively you can't make it fit.apex_pretador wrote:I have full power perfect cell exactly 10 times strong as full power freezaTheUltimateNinja wrote:How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?
Personally I have:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 3.33x Frieza
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 6.25x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 8.33x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 10x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Initial): 12x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Warming up): 12.5-14x Frieza
Buff Cell: 16.66x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku Initial): 20x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku): 32.5x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Gohan): 35.5x Frieza
FP Perfect Cell: 42.5x Frieza
Power Weighted Cell: 50x Frieza
Super Perfect Cell: 70x Frieza
And full power kid buu exactly 10 times as strong as full power cell, i.e. 12 billion.
Here's some lowballed powerscaling w/ BP/Freeza's.
SSJ Vegeta: 180 million/1.5 Freeza's
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 180 million/1.5 Freeza's.
18: 210 million million/1.75 Freeza's.
17: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
Kamiccolo: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
16: 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Cell (Energy): 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 400 million/ 3.33 Freeza's
SSJ Vegeta: 400 million/3.33 Freeza's
Super Vegeta: 600 million/5 Freeza's
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 490 million/4.08 Freeza's.
Perfect Cell (Initial): 630 million/5.25 Freeza's
Grade 3 Trunks: 720 million/ 6 Freeza's
Perfect Cell (Warmed up): 700 million/ 5.83 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku (50%): 600 million/5 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku: 1.2 billion/10 Freeza's
Cell (Vs Goku): 1.32 billion/11 Freeza's
MSSJ Gohan: 1.44 billion/ 12 Freeza's
See? Even if you greatly reduce their power at the start due to the huge gaps in the Cell Saga FP Cell has to be more than 10x Frieza.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
TheUltimateNinja wrote:[spoiler]How do you fit the gaps in the Cell Saga with FP Cell being so weak? Even if you lowball the Z fighters and initial Cell massively you can't make it fit.apex_pretador wrote:I have full power perfect cell exactly 10 times strong as full power freezaTheUltimateNinja wrote:How big would you say the gap is between 100% Frieza and Cell's various forms?
Personally I have:
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 3.33x Frieza
Imperfect Cell (Energy absorbed): 6.25x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 8.33x Frieza.
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 10x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Initial): 12x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Warming up): 12.5-14x Frieza
Buff Cell: 16.66x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku Initial): 20x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Goku): 32.5x Frieza
Perfect Cell (Vs Gohan): 35.5x Frieza
FP Perfect Cell: 42.5x Frieza
Power Weighted Cell: 50x Frieza
Super Perfect Cell: 70x Frieza
And full power kid buu exactly 10 times as strong as full power cell, i.e. 12 billion.
Here's some lowballed powerscaling w/ BP/Freeza's.
SSJ Vegeta: 180 million/1.5 Freeza's
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 180 million/1.5 Freeza's.
18: 210 million million/1.75 Freeza's.
17: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
Kamiccolo: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
16: 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Cell (Energy): 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 400 million/ 3.33 Freeza's
SSJ Vegeta: 400 million/3.33 Freeza's
Super Vegeta: 600 million/5 Freeza's
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 490 million/4.08 Freeza's.
Perfect Cell (Initial): 630 million/5.25 Freeza's
Grade 3 Trunks: 720 million/ 6 Freeza's
Perfect Cell (Warmed up): 700 million/ 5.83 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku (50%): 600 million/5 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku: 1.2 billion/10 Freeza's
Cell (Vs Goku): 1.32 billion/11 Freeza's
MSSJ Gohan: 1.44 billion/ 12 Freeza's
See? Even if you greatly reduce their power at the start due to the huge gaps in the Cell Saga FP Cell has to be more than 10x Frieza.[/spoiler]
In millions
Freeza (full power) = 120 million
Super Saiyan vegeta = 150
Android 18 = 185
Android 17 = 195, Battle worn = 190
Kamiccolo = 200, Battle worn = 188
Imperfect cell = 175 , post absorption = 235
Semi perfect cell = 320, Full power = 360
SUPER vegeta = 420
SUPER trunks = 406, bulked up = 580
Suppressed perfect cell = 470, bulk up = 580
Goku (around half) = 450, FP = 800
FP perfect cell = 1200, bulked up = 1450
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
SSJ Vegeta can't be only 150 million, he was said to have surpassed Goku who became considerably stronger than before after the years of training, and even before then he was stronger than Trunks who was stronger than him on Namek.apex_pretador wrote:TheUltimateNinja wrote:[spoiler]How do you fit the gaps in the Cell Saga with FP Cell being so weak? Even if you lowball the Z fighters and initial Cell massively you can't make it fit.apex_pretador wrote: I have full power perfect cell exactly 10 times strong as full power freeza
And full power kid buu exactly 10 times as strong as full power cell, i.e. 12 billion.
Here's some lowballed powerscaling w/ BP/Freeza's.
SSJ Vegeta: 180 million/1.5 Freeza's
Imperfect Cell (Initial): 180 million/1.5 Freeza's.
18: 210 million million/1.75 Freeza's.
17: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
Kamiccolo: 210 million/1.75 Freeza's.
16: 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Cell (Energy): 280 million/2.33 Freeza's.
Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 400 million/ 3.33 Freeza's
SSJ Vegeta: 400 million/3.33 Freeza's
Super Vegeta: 600 million/5 Freeza's
Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 490 million/4.08 Freeza's.
Perfect Cell (Initial): 630 million/5.25 Freeza's
Grade 3 Trunks: 720 million/ 6 Freeza's
Perfect Cell (Warmed up): 700 million/ 5.83 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku (50%): 600 million/5 Freeza's
MSSJ Goku: 1.2 billion/10 Freeza's
Cell (Vs Goku): 1.32 billion/11 Freeza's
MSSJ Gohan: 1.44 billion/ 12 Freeza's
See? Even if you greatly reduce their power at the start due to the huge gaps in the Cell Saga FP Cell has to be more than 10x Frieza.[/spoiler]
In millions
Freeza (full power) = 120 million
Super Saiyan vegeta = 150
Android 18 = 185
Android 17 = 195, Battle worn = 190
Kamiccolo = 200, Battle worn = 188
Imperfect cell = 175 , post absorption = 235
Semi perfect cell = 320, Full power = 360
SUPER vegeta = 420
SUPER trunks = 406, bulked up = 580
Suppressed perfect cell = 470, bulk up = 580
Goku (around half) = 450, FP = 800
FP perfect cell = 1200, bulked up = 1450
Vegeta > Goku >> Yardrat Goku > Trunks > Namek Goku => Mecha Frieza > Frieza.
Imperfect Cell Post Absorption can't be that weak either, he was equal in power to 16 who far surpassed Piccolo and 17, and he easily tanked a Light Grenade from Piccolo which had enough power to destroy 17 without even flinching, he then proceeded to effortlessly thrash Piccolo, these feats are not possible with such a small advantage in power.

