The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:08 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: Kaioshin oneshots.
Yeah, I think Kaioshin wins, but maybe not a oneshot, I can see the two nearly equal, with Supreme Kai having more strenght.
Kaioshin is above Buu arc Piccolo and SSJs, Cell Jrs are jokes to him.
His magic powers surely can paralise a SSJ2, but in terms of strenght I don't think there's evidence for him to be above a SSJ. Also this is manga Piccolo where he was able to stand up without proof that he was fighting with them equally like in the anime, unlike Trunks and Vegeta who were indeed fighting equally with them.

I have Piccolo (Cell Games)<Piccolo (Buu Saga)<<SSJ Trunks<SSJ Vegeta<=Cell Jr<=Kaioshin<Buu Saga SSJs

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:29 pm

dragonball0900 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
dragonball0900 wrote: Yeah, I think Kaioshin wins, but maybe not a oneshot, I can see the two nearly equal, with Supreme Kai having more strenght.
Kaioshin is above Buu arc Piccolo and SSJs, Cell Jrs are jokes to him.
His magic powers surely can paralise a SSJ2, but in terms of strenght I don't think there's evidence for him to be above a SSJ. Also this is manga Piccolo where he was able to stand up without proof that he was fighting with them equally like in the anime, unlike Trunks and Vegeta who were indeed fighting equally with them.

I have Piccolo (Cell Games)<Piccolo (Buu Saga)<<SSJ Trunks<SSJ Vegeta<=Cell Jr<=Kaioshin<Buu Saga SSJs
I have Piccolo < Cell Jrs. = Trunks = Vegeta < Buu Arc Piccolo < Buu Arc SSJs < Kaioshin < SSJ2s

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:47 pm

Here's another one: Gohan during the battle with Frieza (post zenkai of Dende) vs Captain Ginyu

No enraged Gohan allowed!

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Post by DanielSSJ » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:54 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Gokou Vs Gokuh Vs Gokuu
Gokū wins.

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Post by Angelus » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:07 pm

Hit VS Buuhantenks with Guldo absorbed (Super Buu absorbs Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Piccolo, Guldo)
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Post by Angelus » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:49 pm

Lord Frieza wrote:Baba's Fighters vs the Universe 6 Fighters with their powers equalized.

Invisible Man vs Botamo

Dracula vs Frost

Mummy vs Magetta

Grandpa Gohan vs Cabba

Devilman vs Hit
if Yamcha was able to use his ears to detect where Invisible Man was, then Botamo should be able to too. Given how all of Invisible Man's attacks aren't going to affect Botamo, then Botamo wins from Invisible Man being exhausted from punching/kicking

Frost won't need to transform then since any form of his is going to end up having equal power levels with Dracula anyways. Frost wins. He can just spam beams at Dracula from a distance

Mummy is going to get his bandages burned and he'll be fried to a crisp from all that projectile lava. Even at equal power levels, that lava is going to be at the same temperature. Mummy's only chance of winning is if he trash talks Magetta from the get go. "Oh look, I'm going to be battling an oversized trash disposal!"

Cabba's ability to fly and fire Ki blasts of similar technique to Vegeta's is going to be enough to overwhelm Grandpa Gohan

Devilman's only chance of winning is if his Devilmite beam hits Hit. If not, then he's screwed. That is, if Hit is a species that actually has a heart. Hit is an alien and may have a different biology. For all we know, he doesn't have a heart, and his blood is pumped by his skeletal muscles or something.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:54 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Here's a couple:
Base Goku Post RoSAT vs Android 18.

Who would have won the 25th WMAT had it continued uninterrupted?

Buu arc Base Goku vs Semi Perfect Cell.
- #18 , goku stands 0 chance

- Piccolo.

- Imperfect cell pre humans would punch his head off.

AvatarReiko wrote:Base Goten & Trunks(POST-Current) vs Initial 4th Form Frieza(Namek)
- Boys are not affected by CIS/PIS.
Super Trunks vs BOG SSJ3 Goku & Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta
Base Goku(Against Yakkon) vs Supreme Kai
Initial Base Black vs Buuhan
Buuicollo vs Super Jenemba
Base Trunks(Current) vs 17 & 18
Mystic Gohan vs SSJ Gogeta
Zamasu vs Golden Frieza

- No ki drain
BOG Roshi vs Raditz
Garlic Jr. vs Zamasu

- Win by death(hehe)
Initial final form freeza stands little chance, post first powerup, he has a chance to put up a good fight.
50% or anwhere near that, freeza vaporizes.

Super trunks (grade 2/3)? Trunks dies.
DB Super weird form trunks? He effortlessly vaporizes them
Post training SS2 trunks? He still stomps them.

Goku gets his head flicked off

Buuhan gets worse than vegetto treatment

Buu vaporizes janemba with a powerful blast after 29 minutes
Oh wait, buuccolo, not buutenks. It is a close match which ends up in buu winning due to raw power , fighting ability, smarts and versatility. He absorbs janemba.

Base trunks would stomp perfect cell so hard that it isn't even funny

Gogeta 3 shots

Freeza is superior but he can get damaged.
Bullza wrote:Salza vs Frieza (Second Form)
Salza wins. He was a tougher challenge to a much stronger piccolo thano freeza was.
dragonball0900 wrote:What do you think of Piccolo Daimao vs Yamcha, Krillin or Tien from the 23rd Budokai? Who do you think would win?
The only person who piccolo daimao will even have a chance of beating is Yamcha, that too due to his lack of flight. Let's not forget that Yamcha and Krillin were able to keep up with Goku & Tien's combat speed of FP Piccolo daimao level.

Let's also not forget that Yamcha was able to hurt Kami

Or that Krillin proved too challenging to piccolo, to such an extent that he said taking over world won't be that easy.
dragonball0900 wrote:What if Cyborg Tao and Yamcha fight in the tournament? Who do you think would win?

I do think that Yamcha takes this one actually. I mean, Cyborg Tao is supposed to be stronger than Tien in the 22nd WMAT, and he was able to see Tien and Goku's movements, while Tao couldn't.

Tien 22nd<Cyborg Tao<Yamcha<Old King Piccolo

Now more difficult, Drum vs Cyborg Tao!
Yamcha would one-shot tao just like Tien did. He poses no threat to any humans except chiaotzu or maybe , maybe yajirobe at this point. Drum is his equal, and Yamcha rivals full power young piccolo.
Angelus wrote:Alright, so after noticing that there was one overpowered person in the last tournament bracket, I remade it to be more balanced.

Tourney of the "Casuals" :lol:

Who'll win each match? And who'll become the World Champion of Martial Arts? :thumbup:
*No Devilmite Beam/drinking blood/stripping*


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Nam vs Mummy is close. However , giving this to mummy, who stomped Yamcha, because Nam wasn't a threat to goku.

Bacterian vs Ranfan, going with bacterian.

Gilan is far superior in every way.

Akkuman. I think he is superior to 21st TB goku even if slightly. Metallirton can't even fly.

____

Mummy smashes bacterian.

Akkuman is superior in every way.

____

Akkuman stomps.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Anime SSJ2 Goku vs Manga Super Vegetto.
Wait what? Anime SS2 goku <<< Anime SS3 goku <<< Buutenks <<<<< Super vegetto
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Here's a few:
22nd WMAT Krillin vs 21st WMAT Roshi.
Goku (Pre Divine Water) vs Drum.
23rd WMAT Yamcha vs Tambourine.
23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs Piccolo Daimao (Young) + all of his minions.
23rd WMAT Krillin vs Piccolo Daimao (Old) and Drum
Saiyan Saga Goku + Vegeta team up vs Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon.
Either roshi kills krillin with a super kamehameha, or he gets smashed so hard that he gets thrown out of the ring.
Either way, roshi loses.

Tien, who was goku's equal, trained a lot and was curbstomped by drum. What makes you believe that goku stands a chance? 2 zenkais?

23rd TB Yamcha rivals young piccolo at full power. His kids, all combined, don't stand a chance.

23rd TB Krillin would beat young daimao. Tien would just slaughter him. His kids are non factors.

Zarbon and dodoria can easily take this. Hell, cui would beat goku and either of them beats vegeta. Plus they'd be wise enough to realize the tail issue if he ever tries to transform.
Angelus wrote:changed it up a little bit XD

I had a feeling that Spike would have been OP

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Same as last one but with mummy and metallitron meeting in the final. I bet this would be spectacular final with metallitron winning in the end, barely.
Angelus wrote:Androids Saga Piccolo + Kami Potara Fusion VS Kamiccolo (freshly fused; full power)
Kamiccolo easily wins.
Angelus wrote:Universe 6 Frost VS Ultimate/Mystic Gohan (Buu Arc)
Gohan gets one-shotted if frost is serious. If not, frost poisons him.

Gohan at best would be able to barely fight base goku, frost is stronger.
Doctor. wrote:Manga SS F. Gohan vs SS Namek Goku

F. Gohan seemed pretty weak, he was beat by Future #17, who used less than half of his full power. Plus, Trunks said he could handle both 17 and 18 at the same time, and he was weaker than Yardrat Goku.
Gohan gets stomped.
Sailor Haumea wrote:Okay, here's one. Everyone is at Vegeta Saga levels.

Piccolo, Yajirobe, Tien, Chiaotzu, Gohan, Upa, Eighter, Master Shen, Mercenary Tao, Yamcha, and Krillin vs. 6 Saibamen, Nappa, and Vegeta

Who dies in the fight?
Nappa solos. He took on a team as good as this one except yamcha and yajirobe, who will die to saibamen anyways,
Also, I think you made this match before (or someone else?)
And Yajirobe would finger-flick Gohan, Upa, #8, Shen, Tao, all alt the same time.

Vegeta would literally watch nappa slaughter them and laugh. He'd laugh even harder if nappa dies to keinzan, then vaporize everyone with a snap of his fingers.
DBZ Macky wrote:Now I'm it's been done in a "what-if" thread before, but I think the following classifies as a "Versus" match.
What if the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai wasn't interrupted?

The match-ups (random human schmoes are replaced by characters of my liking):
Kuririn VS Tenshinhan
Shin VS Majunior //Assuming Piccolo doesn't give up
Spopovich VS Videl
Kibito VS Great Saiyaman
Goku VS Vegeta
#18 VS #17
Yamcha VS Mighty Mask (Goten and Trunks) //Assuming their identity isn't revealed

Edit: Winner does not recover from previous damage. The champion fights Mr. Satan, who may get powered up by Demigra if required :lol:
Well, this has been done many times, but never mind.

Krillin takes the big bald guy down.

Piccolo wins. He is a superior fighter, and other than the "dimensions apart" comment, which piccolo made without even knowing his opponent or even sensing his energy, there is nothing to put shin above piccolo.

Spopovich won!!!

Great saiyaman. Vegeta heavily implied that the blast which killed kibito was weak and pathetic.

Goku wins, obviously.

#18 takes this due to her training with krillin.

Mighty mask one-shots.

______________

Wait 7 matches? How do we proceed?
TheUltimateNinja wrote:SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Pre) Vs Super Vegeta and Super Trunks
SSJ Goten and SSJ Trunks (Post) Vs SSJ Vegeta and SSJ Mirai Trunks (2nd RoSAT)
Cell Games Vegeta Vs Zangya
Goten and trunks are both strong enough to rival a cell junior, if not equal. A better match IMO would be cell games vegetrunks. Kids win this rather comfortably.

Goten and trunks did not make any appreciable improvment in ROSAT. Vegeta and trunks win, barely.

Vegeta is slightly inferior to her in strength. However, he is a better fighter.
After a looooong battle, zangya wins.
Angelus wrote:Hit VS Buuhantenks with Guldo absorbed (Super Buu absorbs Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Piccolo, Guldo)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing]
Hit one shots. Hell, even vegetto will win.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:01 am

Thanks for the answers, specially the WMAT ones! :thumbup:

The last one though, Guldo has a superior time stop that relies solely on holding his breath. Put that skill in Buu

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Post by dragonball0900 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:20 am

Well, I must admit that even though Krillin gave Piccolo a good fight, I still don't think he would be able to beat King Piccolo due to how the DBZ power levels state 206 for Krillin, but it would be a really great battle. Old King Piccolo would have his ass kicked by Krillin though. But based on the Raditz saga power levels, it's possible that Yamcha might be defeated by Old King Piccolo, but with the Sprit Ball Yamcha may have a chance.

I have it this way:

Cyborg Tao < Yamcha <= Old King Piccolo < Krillin < Young King Piccolo/Kid Goku < Tenshinhan <= Weighted Goku < Kami << Piccolo <= Goku

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dragonball0900 wrote:Well, I must admit that even though Krillin gave Piccolo a good fight, I still don't think he would be able to beat King Piccolo due to how the DBZ power levels state 206 for Krillin, but it would be a really great battle. Old King Piccolo would have his ass kicked by Krillin though. But based on the Raditz saga power levels, it's possible that Yamcha might be defeated by Old King Piccolo, but with the Sprit Ball Yamcha may have a chance.

I have it this way:

Cyborg Tao < Yamcha <= Old King Piccolo < Krillin < Young King Piccolo/Kid Goku < Tenshinhan <= Weighted Goku < Kami << Piccolo <= Goku
Krillin and Yamcha were able to keep up with Tien's and weighted goku's speed.
Weighted goku's speed was equal to post god water goku's speed, which was SUPERIOR to daimao's speed.

To me, it seems like

Yamcha < Krillin = Young piccolo < kid goku
Angelus wrote:Thanks for the answers, specially the WMAT ones! :thumbup:

The last one though, Guldo has a superior time stop that relies solely on holding his breath. Put that skill in Buu
Still hit one-shots. Guldo's time stop only works for moments, and while his technique is better, we do not know if it is superior.
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:28 am

Angelus wrote:Hit VS Buuhantenks with Guldo absorbed (Super Buu absorbs Mystic Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, Piccolo, Guldo)
[No candybeam or any more absorbing]
Hit obliterates with ease, there is no character in Z that can make him use even 10% of his true power. Timestop or not Buuhantenks gets obliterated.
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Here's a couple:
Base Goku Post RoSAT vs Android 18.

Who would have won the 25th WMAT had it continued uninterrupted?

Buu arc Base Goku vs Semi Perfect Cell.
- #18 , goku stands 0 chance

- Piccolo.

- Imperfect cell pre humans would punch his head off.
But Goku has Kaioken with which he can easily surpass 18 and Cell.
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Anime SSJ2 Goku vs Manga Super Vegetto.
Wait what? Anime SS2 goku <<< Anime SS3 goku <<< Buutenks <<<<< Super vegetto
Anime Goku got a major amp at the end as Kid Buu was stated to be strongest Buu by far, surpassing even Buuhan and Goku was able to go toe to toe with him in SSJ2. Super Vegetto is the only character in the manga who stands a chance against anime Goku.
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Here's a few:
22nd WMAT Krillin vs 21st WMAT Roshi.
Goku (Pre Divine Water) vs Drum.
23rd WMAT Yamcha vs Tambourine.
23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs Piccolo Daimao (Young) + all of his minions.
23rd WMAT Krillin vs Piccolo Daimao (Old) and Drum
Saiyan Saga Goku + Vegeta team up vs Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon.
Either roshi kills krillin with a super kamehameha, or he gets smashed so hard that he gets thrown out of the ring.
Either way, roshi loses.

Tien, who was goku's equal, trained a lot and was curbstomped by drum. What makes you believe that goku stands a chance? 2 zenkais?

23rd TB Yamcha rivals young piccolo at full power. His kids, all combined, don't stand a chance.

23rd TB Krillin would beat young daimao. Tien would just slaughter him. His kids are non factors.

Zarbon and dodoria can easily take this. Hell, cui would beat goku and either of them beats vegeta. Plus they'd be wise enough to realize the tail issue if he ever tries to transform.
- Goku was slightly stronger than Tenshinhan, plus he got even stronger after his fights with Tambourine and Piccolo Daimao so I'd say he stands a chance.
Tenshinhan: 10
Goku: 10.5
Goku (Post Tambourine): 11.5
Goku (Post Piccolo): 13
Drum: 13.5
Goku (Water): 20

- 23rd TB Yamcha is a joke to Young Piccolo, he was easily defeated by Kami who was weakened by being in a human body.

- Nah, Tenshinhan may have surpassed Piccolo Daimao but definitely not to the extent that he could easily thrash him, definitely not Kuririn.

- Dodoria was oneshot material to Vegeta who was 24k, the same as Goku's Kaioken x3, and Zarbon was easily getting dominated by Vegeta before he transformed. So Goku would simply have to go Kaioken x3 and quickly take Dodoria out while Vegeta fights Cui, and then go Kaioken x4 to finish Zarbon in one blow or at least weaken him enough for Vegeta to finish him. Keep in mind, transformed Zarbon got curbstomped by Vegeta who was only at 30k, which is lower than Kaioken x4 Goku's 32k.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:58 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Here's a couple:
Base Goku Post RoSAT vs Android 18.

Who would have won the 25th WMAT had it continued uninterrupted?

Buu arc Base Goku vs Semi Perfect Cell.
- #18 , goku stands 0 chance

- Piccolo.

- Imperfect cell pre humans would punch his head off.
But Goku has Kaioken with which he can easily surpass 18 and Cell.
apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Anime SSJ2 Goku vs Manga Super Vegetto.
Wait what? Anime SS2 goku <<< Anime SS3 goku <<< Buutenks <<<<< Super vegetto
Anime Goku got a major amp at the end as Kid Buu was stated to be strongest Buu by far, surpassing even Buuhan and Goku was able to go toe to toe with him in SSJ2. Super Vegetto is the only character in the manga who stands a chance against anime Goku.
apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Here's a few:
22nd WMAT Krillin vs 21st WMAT Roshi.
Goku (Pre Divine Water) vs Drum.
23rd WMAT Yamcha vs Tambourine.
23rd WMAT Tenshinhan vs Piccolo Daimao (Young) + all of his minions.
23rd WMAT Krillin vs Piccolo Daimao (Old) and Drum
Saiyan Saga Goku + Vegeta team up vs Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon.
Either roshi kills krillin with a super kamehameha, or he gets smashed so hard that he gets thrown out of the ring.
Either way, roshi loses.

Tien, who was goku's equal, trained a lot and was curbstomped by drum. What makes you believe that goku stands a chance? 2 zenkais?

23rd TB Yamcha rivals young piccolo at full power. His kids, all combined, don't stand a chance.

23rd TB Krillin would beat young daimao. Tien would just slaughter him. His kids are non factors.

Zarbon and dodoria can easily take this. Hell, cui would beat goku and either of them beats vegeta. Plus they'd be wise enough to realize the tail issue if he ever tries to transform.
- Goku was slightly stronger than Tenshinhan, plus he got even stronger after his fights with Tambourine and Piccolo Daimao so I'd say he stands a chance.
Tenshinhan: 10
Goku: 10.5
Goku (Post Tambourine): 11.5
Goku (Post Piccolo): 13
Drum: 13.5
Goku (Water): 20

- 23rd TB Yamcha is a joke to Young Piccolo, he was easily defeated by Kami who was weakened by being in a human body.

- Nah, Tenshinhan may have surpassed Piccolo Daimao but definitely not to the extent that he could easily thrash him, definitely not Kuririn.

- Dodoria was oneshot material to Vegeta who was 24k, the same as Goku's Kaioken x3, and Zarbon was easily getting dominated by Vegeta before he transformed. So Goku would simply have to go Kaioken x3 and quickly take Dodoria out while Vegeta fights Cui, and then go Kaioken x4 to finish Zarbon in one blow or at least weaken him enough for Vegeta to finish him. Keep in mind, transformed Zarbon got curbstomped by Vegeta who was only at 30k, which is lower than Kaioken x4 Goku's 32k.
- Anime Goku getting an amp? When and how? Last I remember, same anime goku was getting thrashed by buutenks even in SS3.
I don't take the statement of "strongest buu" literally. I see it as kid buu > Super buu, not buutenks or buuhan. Because 1 mere statement doesn't override dozens of feats in the same material.

- I never counted KaioKen. But with kaioken x20, he would easily beat android 18.
However, not even KaioKen x20 will allow him to take on semi-perfect cell.


- More like :
  • Goku (23rd TB) = 10.1
    Goku (post tambournie) = 12
    Goku (post daimao) = 13
    Tenshinhan (post mafuba training) = 12.5
    Drum = 16
- 23rd TB Yamcha was able to harm Kami and have him fight seriously. Even in human body, Kami's might far surpassed FP piccolo daimao, and maybe even mr popo, who made a joke of goku post daimao's death and a zenkai. Kami literally finger-flicked this version of goku.

This Yamcha was also easily able to follow the fight b/w Tien and goku, which was going at speed of FP daimao.

- Tenshinhan was thrashing goku who was faster than daimao (= kid goku) and VASTLY superior in strength.

- Just forget power levels for a moment.
Goku couldn't beat vegeta who is weaker than all of them (equal to cui), using KaioKen x3. He ended up doing more damage to himself than to vegeta.
He is not one-shotting Dodoria or Zarbon. Not even close.
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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:28 am

apex_pretador wrote: - Anime Goku getting an amp? When and how? Last I remember, same anime goku was getting thrashed by buutenks even in SS3.
I don't take the statement of "strongest buu" literally. I see it as kid buu > Super buu, not buutenks or buuhan. Because 1 mere statement doesn't override dozens of feats in the same material.
In the anime filler SSJ Vegeta is shown to surpass SSJ3 Gotenks considerably, and Goku and Vegeta both point out how Buu's ki is continuously rising and much higher than before when he becomes Kid Buu, so Anime Kid Buu >>> Buuhan.
apex_pretador wrote:- I never counted KaioKen. But with kaioken x20, he would easily beat android 18.
However, not even KaioKen x20 will allow him to take on semi-perfect cell.
Buu Arc Base Goku is worlds stronger than Cell Arc Base Vegeta who easily thrashed Cell using Grade 2, so I can see Goku pulling it off.
Base Vegeta (RoSAT): 1
SSJ Vegeta: 50
Semi Cell (Initial): 50
Semi Cell (FP): 60
Grade 2 Vegeta: 75
Goku (RoSAT): 3.2
MSSJ Goku (50%): 80 (His power surpassed Grade 2 Vegeta considerably even at half strength)
MSSJ Goku: 160
MSSJ Gohan: 180 (He's a good deal stronger than his father)
Buu Arc SSJ Goku: 220 (He surpasses even Kid Gohan)
Buu Arc Base Goku: 4.4
Kaioken x20 Goku: 88
88 >>> 60
Goku stomps Cell.

- More like :
  • Goku (23rd TB) = 10.1
    Goku (post tambournie) = 12
    Goku (post daimao) = 13
    Tenshinhan (post mafuba training) = 12.5
    Drum = 16
Tenshinhan can't have become that much stronger in such a short period of time by training the Mafuba, he'd be a 10.3, maybe 10.5 at best. And Drum can't be 16 because he did not dominate Tenshinhan that badly, it was more of a close fight like Vegeta vs Zarbon, one side got curbstomped but it wasn't total domination like SSJ2 Gohan vs Cell.

- 23rd TB Yamcha was able to harm Kami and have him fight seriously. Even in human body, Kami's might far surpassed FP piccolo daimao, and maybe even mr popo, who made a joke of goku post daimao's death and a zenkai. Kami literally finger-flicked this version of goku.

This Yamcha was also easily able to follow the fight b/w Tien and goku, which was going at speed of FP daimao.

- Tenshinhan was thrashing goku who was faster than daimao (= kid goku) and VASTLY superior in strength.

- Just forget power levels for a moment.
Goku couldn't beat vegeta who is weaker than all of them (equal to cui), using KaioKen x3. He ended up doing more damage to himself than to vegeta.
He is not one-shotting Dodoria or Zarbon. Not even close.[/quote]
-As soon as Kami got serious Yamcha got wrecked immediately, before this Kami was effortlessly making a joke of him. Yamcha is nowhere close to Kami despite the fact that he was weakened by a human body. Being able to follow a fight does not mean much as later on the Z senshi are able to follow the Saiyans fight who are worlds stronger than them.

- Tenshinhan was not thrashing Goku at all, he merely held a slight advantage. And Goku's speed was the same as before, Tenshinhan outright tells him his speed did not improve at all. Goku only became super fast once he took his weighted clothing off.

- Vegeta is just insanely durable. He survives hits from opponents far more powerful than him all the time, he took a lot of direct hits from Kkx3 Goku and a full power Kamehameha from Kkx4 Goku and survived, he even survived a spirit bomb and an assault from the other Z fighters. He also took quite the pounding from Recoome and stayed alive. Even against Frieza he survived a long time until he got pierced through the chest. He was also able to hold off Kid Buu by getting pounded into the ground for several chapters straight. Dodoria and Zarbon by comparison are jokes in terms of durability.

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Post by Angelus » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:24 am

It was a trick question but... Guldo's time stop is superior because it relies on him holding his breath, while Hit's time stop only last 0.1 seconds at first and increased later on. However, that increase won't be any longer than you yourself can hold your breathe. Put that in Buu's body, Buu can hold his breath indefinitely because he doesn't even need to breathe, which is why Buu can survive in space no problem. Buu with Guldo absorbed will basically have unlimited time stop and could just attack Hit during that time. :idea:

Hit is very durable though :think:

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:54 am

Angelus wrote:It was a trick question but... Guldo's time stop is superior because it relies on him holding his breath, while Hit's time stop only last 0.1 seconds at first and increased later on. However, that increase won't be any longer than you yourself can hold your breathe. Put that in Buu's body, Buu can hold his breath indefinitely because he doesn't even need to breathe, which is why Buu can survive in space no problem. Buu with Guldo absorbed will basically have unlimited time stop and could just attack Hit during that time. :idea:

Hit is very durable though :think:
In that case it may not even work for Buu. Even if it does, it probably won't affect Hit at all. Goku was able to overcome Hit's timestop by greatly surpassing Hit's power, and Buu is a joke to Hit so Hit's most likely immune.

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:40 pm

Who is the strongest character Beginning of DB Goku can defeat with:

-Saiyan Saga Kaioken

-Frieza Saga Kaioken

-SSJ

-SSJ2

-SSJ3

-SSJ4

-SSGod

-SSBlue

-SSBlue Kaioken x10

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Post by Lunatic Fringe » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:54 pm

U6 Arc SSB Kaioken x 10 Goku & DBSuper Episode 63 SSB Vegeta vs Hit

Metamoru Fused 21st TB Kuririn x 21st TB Goku vs. Aged Piccolo Daimao

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Post by Zamasu55 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:12 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Who is the strongest character Beginning of DB Goku can defeat with:

-Saiyan Saga Kaioken

-Frieza Saga Kaioken

-SSJ

-SSJ2

-SSJ3

-SSJ4

-SSGod

-SSBlue

-SSBlue Kaioken x10
1. Kid Goku: 10.
Kid Goku Kkx4: 40. He'd be far weaker than his 21st Budokai Tenkaichi self. He beats Yamcha and Krillin,

2. Kid Goku Kkx20: 200.
I don't trust Daizenshuu that much, but anyway, he beats his 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi self and Tienshinhan.

3. Ssj Kid Goku: 500.
He beats his beginning of Z self and Piccolo.

4. Ssj2 Kid Goku: 1,000.
Same as the above, he'd be too weak to beat Raditz.

5. Ssj3 Kid Goku: 4,000.
He beats all the Z fighters (Saiyan saga), stops at Nappa.

6. Ssj4 Kid Goku: 40,000.
Ssj4 should be 10x stronger than Ssj3 right? I'm not sure about this by the way... Howewer, he beats Vegeta (vs Recoom).

7. No clue.

8. No clue.

9. No clue.

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:20 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Who is the strongest character Beginning of DB Goku can defeat with:

-Saiyan Saga Kaioken

-Frieza Saga Kaioken

-SSJ

-SSJ2

-SSJ3

-SSJ4

-SSGod

-SSBlue

-SSBlue Kaioken x10
1. Kid Goku: 10.
Kid Goku Kkx4: 40. He'd be far weaker than his 21st Budokai Tenkaichi self. He beats Yamcha and Krillin,

2. Kid Goku Kkx20: 200.
I don't trust Daizenshuu that much, but anyway, he beats his 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi self and Tienshinhan.

3. Ssj Kid Goku: 500.
He beats his beginning of Z self and Piccolo.

4. Ssj2 Kid Goku: 1,000.
Same as the above, he'd be too weak to beat Raditz.

5. Ssj3 Kid Goku: 4,000.
He beats all the Z fighters (Saiyan saga), stops at Nappa.

6. Ssj4 Kid Goku: 40,000.
Ssj4 should be 10x stronger than Ssj3 right? I'm not sure about this by the way... Howewer, he beats Vegeta (vs Recoom).

7. No clue.

8. No clue.

9. No clue.
7. Personally I have SSGod Kid Goku at 1st form Frieza level.

8. SSBlue is able to make a joke of 1st form Frieza but stands no chance against 2nd.

9. Kkx10 SSBlue puts him at Androids Arc Base Vegeta/12.5% Frieza.

Alright, how about we use 21st Budokai Goku for all of the above? And also 22nd.

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