Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Everyone was shocked at Gotenks' power when he first came into being, this wouldn't be the case if he was a joke to Goku in terms of power, and he became even stronger after training in the RoSAT. Piccolo thought he could defeat Buu even without SSJ2 and SSJ3, so he's got to be much stronger than even SSJ2 Goku using only regular SSJ.

Everyone being shocked really doesn't mean much, since they almost always shocked. I never said they were joked compared to Goku, only that it was never said they were vastly stronger than Goku, especially since Goku lied several times about his power.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Everyone was shocked at Gotenks' power when he first came into being, this wouldn't be the case if he was a joke to Goku in terms of power, and he became even stronger after training in the RoSAT. Piccolo thought he could defeat Buu even without SSJ2 and SSJ3, so he's got to be much stronger than even SSJ2 Goku using only regular SSJ.

Everyone being shocked really doesn't mean much, since they almost always shocked. I never said they were joked compared to Goku, only that it was never said they were vastly stronger than Goku, especially since Goku lied several times about his power.

Why was Goku so afraid of fighting Super Buu by himself if he could defeat him?

[HeroR]

Why was Goku so afraid of fighting Super Buu by himself if he could defeat him?

Goku showed fear of Fat Buu and said he couldn't win even if he went all out. So what makes you think he was being truthful about Super Buu?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Why was Goku so afraid of fighting Super Buu by himself if he could defeat him?

Goku showed fear of Fat Buu and said he couldn't win even if he went all out. So what makes you think he was being truthful about Super Buu?

The fact that he couldn't even beat Kid Buu who's weaker than Super Buu.

[HeroR]

The fact that he couldn't even beat Kid Buu who's weaker than Super Buu.

It was never said Kid Buu was weaker than base Super Buu and Goku could have beating Kid Buu. Both Goku and Vegeta said it. Goku only lost because his living body wasn't used to the energy drain of his living body.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The fact that he couldn't even beat Kid Buu who's weaker than Super Buu.

It was never said Kid Buu was weaker than base Super Buu and Goku could have beating Kid Buu. Both Goku and Vegeta said it. Goku only lost because his living body wasn't used to the energy drain of his living body.

Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu, Goku suggests bringing Gotenks or Gohan there as they could easily beat him.

[HeroR]

Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu, Goku suggests bringing Gotenks or Gohan there as they could easily beat him.

He didn't say that. He said that Gohan and Gotenks could help them beat Kid Buu. Not that they could easily defeat him.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu, Goku suggests bringing Gotenks or Gohan there as they could easily beat him.

He didn't say that. He said that Gohan and Gotenks could help them beat Kid Buu. Not that they could easily defeat him.

If Gotenks isn't stronger than Goku, why was Goku so sure the boys could beat Buu by fusing?

[HeroR]

If Gotenks isn't stronger than Goku, why was Goku so sure the boys could beat Buu by fusing?

Because Gotenks was literally the Earth's only hope and he didn't want to fight Buu. And even if Gotenks was a little weaker than him, he could still in theory beat Fat Buu since Goku admitted that he could have done it himself. He never took Super Buu into account because he didn't exist at the time.

[TheUltimateNinja]

If Gotenks isn't stronger than Goku, why was Goku so sure the boys could beat Buu by fusing?

Because Gotenks was literally the Earth's only hope and he didn't want to fight Buu. And even if Gotenks was a little weaker than him, he could still in theory beat Fat Buu since Goku admitted that he could have done it himself. He never took Super Buu into account because he didn't exist at the time.

But at that time Gotenks only had SSJ, he'd have to be over twice as strong as Goku to beat Buu who's above SSJ2 Goku.

[HeroR]

But at that time Gotenks only had SSJ, he'd have to be over twice as strong as Goku to beat Buu who's above SSJ2 Goku.

Goku never saw Gotenks, so he never felt his power personally and Goku was estimating how powerful Gotenks could be.

[TheUltimateNinja]

But at that time Gotenks only had SSJ, he'd have to be over twice as strong as Goku to beat Buu who's above SSJ2 Goku.

Goku never saw Gotenks, so he never felt his power personally and Goku was estimating how powerful Gotenks could be.

But Piccolo did see Gotenks. Sure, he may be weaker than Buu but he has to be at least SSJ2 level for Piccolo to think he even stands a chance, otherwise he'd simply say Goku was wrong and fusion won't work.

[pacz360]

What are you guys talking about now?

[HeroR]

But Piccolo did see Gotenks. Sure, he may be weaker than Buu but he has to be at least SSJ2 level for Piccolo to think he even stands a chance, otherwise he'd simply say Goku was wrong and fusion won't work.

And Piccolo also bought that Goku couldn't beat Fat Buu no matter how hard he tried. Also, Piccolo wanted Gotenks to train before fighting Buu and he wasn't sure Gotenks could win until they entered the Time Chamber. Before then, he outright said Gotenks stood no chance against Buu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

But Piccolo did see Gotenks. Sure, he may be weaker than Buu but he has to be at least SSJ2 level for Piccolo to think he even stands a chance, otherwise he'd simply say Goku was wrong and fusion won't work.

And Piccolo also bought that Goku couldn't beat Fat Buu no matter how hard he tried. Also, Piccolo wanted Gotenks to train before fighting Buu and he wasn't sure Gotenks could win until they entered the Time Chamber. Before then, he outright said Gotenks stood no chance against Buu.

He only said that after Buu became Super Buu.

[HeroR]

He only said that after Buu became Super Buu.

No, he actually said that about Fat Buu too. When he wanted Gotenks to go Super Saiyan and train, Gotenks and ignored him and went off to fight Buu and got his butt kicked.

[TheUltimateNinja]

He only said that after Buu became Super Buu.

No, he actually said that about Fat Buu too. When he wanted Gotenks to go Super Saiyan and train, Gotenks and ignored him and went off to fight Buu and got his butt kicked.

That was because he went off in Base instead of SSJ.

[HeroR]

That was because he went off in Base instead of SSJ.

Even when he went Super Saiyan, Piccolo still wanted them to train before thinking about fighting Buu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

That was because he went off in Base instead of SSJ.

Even when he went Super Saiyan, Piccolo still wanted them to train before thinking about fighting Buu.

But he was willing to let him take a nap, which suggests some degree of confidence. It was only when Buu became Super Buu that Piccolo decided to stop wasting time and immediately woke the kids up and sent them off into the time chamber.

[Legion]

I don't know about Vegetto, but i don't think that Zamasu is stronger than Beerus, guys. I have not seen anything that suggests merged Zamasu> Beerus.

Zamasu can erase everything with that white ring, but Beerus can do the same, without that ring, actually. And we know that Goku alone will destroy that thing in the next episode, i think that Beerus can do the same. Actually, is ridiculous that Goku can do something like this .-. I still believe that the fusion is nerfed compared to DBZ. The power levels are still inconsistent

If merged Zamasu surpass Beerus, it would be told by Goku or Kaioshin, i guess. Instead we only had a vague statement. And again, we have no idea what Beerus is capable of.

Even by hype Beerus is better for me (like destroying both universes 6 and 7 with Champa if they fight). I'm curious to know if we will see some universal shit like Beerus vs Goku in the next episodes.

Anyway, I'm not saying that Beerus>Zamasu, but is still unclear for me.