The DBZ Season One Review: R.I.P.

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The DBZ Season One Review: R.I.P.

Post by MajinVejitaXV » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:26 pm

This thing was a bad idea.

I dunno why, but every time I went to do something I would have an issue come up. I got sick of the topic, rewrote it about three times and finally had the thing toasted by a power surge this past Monday when the wind was blowing up to 60 MPH. My HDD is gone, along with my entire multimedia collection and a bunch of personal crap.

In short, no review. I feel bad about it on some levels and on others I don't at all. I kinda felt like a tool at times for putting so much effort into a review about a cartoon, especially having said so much before. So, here's my review in summarized form:

FUNimation did a competent encode in terms of bitrate, but the video was still slightly anemic due to the three language tracks with nearly three hours of video per disc. One more disc could have helped things significantly, but at least they didn't keep it at 5 discs like originally intended.

The DVNR was horribly applied, resulting in loss of animation detail. This wasn't a carefully performed remaster job, it was a automated rush job that's embarassing to me and should be to FUNimation. It doesn't make the show look "new," in fact it's worse than FUNimation's prior attempts to rejuvenate the footage. Best part? $850.00 an hour is the base rate for what VP&T did, per Terry Hall (their Exec. Producer, who I spoke to). Guess FUNimation got what they paid for.

Speaking of which, if the color and so on is untouched, I'm the love child of David Lee Roth and Eddie Murphy.

Finally, the widescreen was horrible. It causes unnecessary loss of footage and anyone who supports it (in terms of advocating the aspect ratio, not buying the set) is an idiot. It doesn't make the show "more cinematic" or "show more footage," it simply makes the show more viable to idiots who believe FUNimation's spin that has so many gaping holes in it that Tommy Lee, Peter North and Ron Jeremy could fuck it for days and not stretch it out. Look at Amazon.com for proof, where I was told that "you are nor real dbz fan." THAT is the target demographic here, guys. 9 year olds that are "born every day."

As for the audio? Yay, 5.1!...That sounds like I mixed it with a portastudio (if not worse)! Seriously, the mix isn't exactly inspiring and the levels need work (BGM dwarfed by SFX and vocals, anyone?).

And missing songs? Yeah, no compromises my ass. Either FUNimation got cheap, or they remained incompetent as they've always been with DBZ.

What else...

The packaging is bleh but who really cares. Everything else is basically nitpicking. FUNimation is offering a package that's worth every bit that they're charging and that speaks volumes. Before, the show was worth up to $8.31/episode... now it's worth $1.28/episode.

Gee, I wonder if they realized they fucked up, and the only way they could make a killing with these sets was to make them so cheap that every idiot would come out of the woodwork and support them? I mean, after all, IT'S SO CHEAP!.

Frankly, I'm sick of the rampant stupidity regarding the subject and have written volumes and even done a podcast about it. DBZ fans have the disadvantage of having a lot of stupid people in their demographic, so yet again they get screwed. FUNimation lied excessively and blatantly. No one really cares. I cared, but now I don't, and now I'm done.

Sorry for the tone of this post, but I'm exhausted and pissed because of all the shit I lost. If people wanna ask questions, I did a full tech workup on the discs and can remember all of it.

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Post by Mr.Piccolo » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:40 pm

Well, I read the whole thing and I'd like to thank you for putting something up. If I worked so hard on something for it wiped away just like that along with other belongs, I'd be pissed beyond words so thanks for giving us some closure at least. I don't know what to say, I found it pretty funny (Eddie Murphy) but I get your point. So are you really done with these season sets? Pff, just like I thought.. nor a real dbz fan after all... :P
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Post by Namek'jin Ryu » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:33 pm

I'm going to have to agree with the majority of MajinVejitaXV's post. I was never one to fall into FUNimations trap of selling 'cheap' sets. As of right now I'm 6-7 Box Sets away from owning ALL of the DragonBall franchise series. So, I'd rather have those, along with FULL-SCREEN format as I first saw them.
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Post by SonGokuGT » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:49 pm

Aww, man! I'm really sad to hear the site got wiped, I was truly looking forward to it. Like Mr. Piccolo said, thanks for the closure. I liked your post and the summary provided. I for one want to thank you for your hard work a dedication to this topic, providing us with the material to see the truth about these sets.

As for the box set discussion... I think we're all done with that. Whoever wants it will get it, whoever doesn't... won't.

Again, I salute you for your hard work these past few months!

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Post by DBW » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:12 am

Well, even though we ultimately didn't get to see the final review, I applaud you for all the work you did. You really went all out and fought for what you believed in, even treading into areas that most DaizEX'ers dare not enter (FUNimation forums). :P I also totally understand where you're coming from regarding the review site, afterall it's very easy to end up drowning in your own ambitions (See: www.kanzentai.com ) :wink:

It's times like these that we have to just sit back and enjoy the series we love. The North American DragonBall market is dead in my eyes, as I imagine it is in yours, but working ourselves up at this point is just wasted energy. What's done is done.
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Post by nathantheguitarist » Sat Apr 21, 2007 6:15 am

Thank you very much, Corey, for your review! I'm very sorry to hear about your HDD, I know how that goes (mine went dead about a week ago). I'm very thankful for your work on this subject, as it's opened up my mind to these sort of things, and also kept me well-informed. I figure I'll win the lottery and buy Dragonboxes one day, and all will be well. :lol:

On a side note: The David Lee Roth and Eddie Murphy joke was perfect, because I then pictured a black David Lee Roth playing the Beverly Hills Cop theme on Van Halen's strat.
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Post by Bardock the Mexican » Sat Apr 21, 2007 1:54 pm

That whole demographic thing is completely on target as far as the whole thing goes about the fans being 9 year old morons with the English skills of a potted plant smoking pot. Yeah...and I bought their recent release of the Spanish DVD. I must have blindly thought they would add more extras or somthing of that nature. They might only have the Chris Sabat and that guy that does Goku and like a shitty trailer section. I hate the shitty "buy the Dragonball on VIZ comics" thing.
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Post by FDLink » Sat Apr 21, 2007 2:44 pm

It's sad an issue over a DVD set has had to come to all this bitterness and animosity that's being tossed around between DBZ fans and to FUNi themselves, isn't it? You'd think the fact that the response to this thing has been so divisive, controversial, and far from unanimously-positive that FUNi would have reconsidered their product by now. Evidence thus far has given little hope for that possibility.

Even here on this board, we've got resident corporate tools who keep spewing the same fucked-up logic for owning this thing that we've heard for months, and it's disheartening that so many are so weak-minded.

But either way, thanks for bringing some closure to the status of the review website, Corey. You deserve major kudos for telling it like it is, and still showing devotion to the issue, despite being completely burned out and disgusted with it (which most of us are).

I guess the lesson here is that FUNi will have no end to their success so long as they appeal to the lowest common denominator.

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Post by future_trunks » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:00 pm

I salute you brother, I salute you.

Nice job with all the work you did. Hell of a lot better job than I could have managed.
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Post by ETC123 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:50 am

I agree with pretty much everything that you're saying, though I'm not disheartened by the lack of review, though that would have been kinda cool. However, life and such gets in the way, and sometimes we just have to evaluate things and say "it's just not worth bothering right now".

Good post, though.

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Post by Mystic Jack » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:44 am

Better then any review I could've pulled off rest assured.

This boxset has widescreen... widescreen is bad...
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Post by nwoo_2002 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:56 pm

Nice review Corey, concise and to the point. For everyone who campaigned for a 4:3 release, here is something I have worked on. Dragon Box footage with English audio tracks and the original Japanese audio track.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RTAGI8CZ

We can dream can't we.

P.S This is just a cut scene to maintain full DVD quality.

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Post by SatoSky » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:37 pm

nwoo, that was really good. I found myself switching over to the Japanese track because Gohan's crying in the dub is extremely irritating. But your clip is an example of what could have been, if FUNimation was the least bit competent.

Also, I noticed that the footage seemed to shake around a lot. It's really noticeable when you have the subtitles on, but it's there.

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Post by nwoo_2002 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:51 pm

I know I rushed at the end to try and get it out, I don't know how long Megaupload allows people to download. Playing it through VLC seemed better for some reason.

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Post by SatoSky » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:09 pm

I watched it in VLC as well, the clip plays great. The quality is amazing, just wish I could say that for the dub. :lol:

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Re: The DBZ Season One Review: R.I.P.

Post by ect5150 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:48 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Thank you, goodnight Cleveland!!!! *ignites flashpots*
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Re: The DBZ Season One Review: R.I.P.

Post by MajinVejitaXV » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:10 pm

ect5150 wrote:Tell me that's not you with a Guitar Hero guitar...

If so, I'm going to have to start a fund to get you something real...
'fraid you're wrong. It's me with a wireless Guitar Hero guitar ;)

I actually have a Charvel Model 6 with a Floyd Rose locking tremolo (it's a '91), it's just not as funny to pose with it ;p

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Post by gohanku » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:38 am

(Wow, DBW is so close to rank up.)
MajinVejitaXV thank you for your closure, now that you finally put the Season One review rants to rest with yours, I bid the season one craziness goodbye.
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Post by JAPPO » Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:30 pm

FUNimation isn't the worst company for DVD releases.

As an example, Get a Life sells for around $50.00 on average for 3 episodes. The company refuses (and I mean REFUSES) to release it on DVD in box set format. The actor and producer Chris Elliot wants it to be released, but he's just one man. In conclusion, they are waiting for the fans to die out.

So next time you put down FUNi, just be grateful they release it.
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Post by ETC123 » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:22 am

JAPPO wrote: So next time you put down FUNi, just be grateful they release it.
This is the thing, though. When you begin to think of it like that, you start lowering yourstadnards, begin taking abuse a lot easier, and in general, it doesn't help.

I mean, a company is nothing without the consumers to support it- the consumer has the power, the consumer can make change. Sure, you'll get the occasional stubborn entity, but they eventually die down or see to reason. DBZ's widescreen release was entirely at the whim and ego of FUNimation, and if people took a unified stance against it, it would not have happened.

At the very least, FUNimation could've asked people beforehand and maybe saved themselves roughly a million or so dollars (give or take) on doing the 'remaster', but they didn't. DBZ began to faulter with the UUEs because it was an impractical method of distributing and selling the series. If they simply put the UUE footage, as it were, with spanish, japanese and TV english, they would have sold just as many copies as before (and still called it 'remastered' to boot and people would have STILL written about how awesome video quality is. You have to remember when most people are talking about video quality, especially DBZ fans, they don't have any clue what the fuck they're talking about).

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