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Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:58 am

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Soppa Saia People wrote:In the Viz translation, is Ed supposed mean editor or some guy named Ed ?
*Editor's note.
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Post by Sailor Haumea » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:59 am

Soppa, can you go back to Venusaur? That avatar plus the username was a hilarious combination? :lol:
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Post by Soppa Saia People » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:20 am

Sailor Haumea wrote:Soppa, can you go back to Venusaur? That avatar plus the username was a hilarious combination? :lol:
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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:48 am

Does Ginyu die if his change misses and his soul stays out for too long? Or does it just keep going and going until he eventually enters someone?
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Post by dbgtFO » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:40 am

ekrolo2 wrote:Does Ginyu die if his change misses and his soul stays out for too long? Or does it just keep going and going until he eventually enters someone?
The way it is presented the first time, it looks to me that there are two steps to the technique, first he fires off a beam from his body that stuns his target upon hitting and then the transfer og souls occur with a beam between the two mouths.

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Post by Alruneia » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:43 pm

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ekrolo2 wrote:Does Ginyu die if his change misses and his soul stays out for too long? Or does it just keep going and going until he eventually enters someone?
The way it is presented the first time, it looks to me that there are two steps to the technique, first he fires off a beam from his body that stuns his target upon hitting and then the transfer og souls occur with a beam between the two mouths.
Yes, I wouldn't be surprised if Ginyu first fires off a paralysing "probe" beam that checks if there's another body there to switch souls with. I do wonder what happens if that probe beam hits and a third party then moves the target away (for example with Instant Transmission), though.
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Re: Non-thread-worthy discussions

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 2:06 pm

For those wondering why Vegeta goes to fight Kid Boo in his Base form, here's your answer:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
It seems that him being revived only healed his superficial damage and didn't restore his drained energy reserves.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:18 pm

Anybody else notice a few similarities between Super and Bleach?

In Bleach, Aizen states that when you transcend beyond hollow and soul reaper, other soul reapers can't sense your spiritual energy because you are at a higher dimension (i.e. a god). Same thing applies to Super with god ki. Only gods can sense other gods.

Speaking of Aizen, Zamasu is basically a significantly worse, yet more accomplished, Aizen. Both wish to alter their respective worlds in extreme ways to attain their own version of a utopia, both are traitors to their own kind, both are prodigies, both have a calm and collected personality, both devise incredibly convoluted plans to reach their goals, both end up transcending to a sort of god form, and both get too cocky as a result.

Both Bleach and Super have ridiculous power scaling that is all over the place. In Bleach, Ichigo gets a random hollow transformation against Ulquiorra that never gets an explanation as to wtf it was. In Super, Trunks gets a random SSJ transformation against Black that never gets an explanation as to wtf it is. In Bleach, Ichigo trains for a few months and becomes a god, despite Aizen going through so much shit for thousands of years to reach his level of power. In Super, Frieza trains for 4 months and becomes a god, despite Goku and Vegeta going through so much shit for decades to reach their level of power.
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Post by Cipher » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:18 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:For those wondering why Vegeta goes to fight Kid Boo in his Base form, here's your answer:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
It seems that him being revived only healed his superficial damage and didn't restore his drained energy reserves.
More importantly, I want to know what assistant missed that they were supposed to black in Mr. Satan's mustache.

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Post by Doctor. » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:19 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Anybody else notice a few similarities between Super and Bleach?
I'm honestly expecting to hear this exact same line and voice coming from Zamasu's mouth next episode.

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Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:41 pm

Cipher wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:For those wondering why Vegeta goes to fight Kid Boo in his Base form, here's your answer:
[spoiler]Image[/spoiler]
It seems that him being revived only healed his superficial damage and didn't restore his drained energy reserves.
More importantly, I want to know what assistant missed that they were supposed to black in Mr. Satan's mustache.
Oh shit! I didn't even notice that xD
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:17 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Anybody else notice a few similarities between Super and Bleach?
I'm honestly expecting to hear this exact same line and voice coming from Zamasu's mouth next episode.
I would not be surprised at all.

Nothing would please me more than Vegito pancaking Zamasu's face mid-speech like Ichigo does to Aizen.
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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:57 pm

This is more of a grammar question, but I've seen the word "Saiyan" capitalized a lot...shouldn't it just be "saiyan," with a lower-case s? I mean, it's not like we write, "Kuririn is a Human."
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Post by Alruneia » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:41 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:This is more of a grammar question, but I've seen the word "Saiyan" capitalized a lot...shouldn't it just be "saiyan," with a lower-case s? I mean, it's not like we write, "Kuririn is a Human."
I completely agree, and I always write saiyan myself. Super Saiyan is a special case since it's a title and it should be treated as such, and Earthling and Namekian are words derived from planet names, and since names are always capitalised those should have capital letters as well. The race names for saiyans and humans don't fall into either of those categories, so logically they shouldn't always have capital letters. However, it's a common thing in fantasy to write all race names with capital letters, so Men, Dwarves, Elves, Saiyans, you get the idea. I'm not sure why this is.
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Post by Noah » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:53 pm

Cipher wrote:More importantly, I want to know what assistant missed that they were supposed to black in Mr. Satan's mustache.
Was this corrected in Kanzenban?
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Post by Nejishiki » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:35 pm

It wasn't. The mustache is still lifeless.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:42 pm

That moment in Xenoverse 2 where Trunks tries to change history and run off to help Gohan fight the androids was better than anything in the first four arcs of Super (can't say for the newest one; haven't seen it).
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Post by Noah » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:27 pm

Cipher wrote:I really think it's an error, but anyone's free to go with one of the other explanations, should they want to keep everything strictly in-universe.
So, can I take this as a mistake made by Toriyama? And in Cell's timeline, Goku was the one who defeated Freeza and Cold?
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Post by Anime Kitten » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:47 pm

Alruneia wrote:It's a common thing in fantasy to write all race names with capital letters, so Men, Dwarves, Elves, Saiyans, you get the idea. I'm not sure why this is.
That's what I do. I signify the importance of each Race (see, I capitalized the "R" :P) by that method. It's the same case with Shin-jin (which I'll be using because Core People kinda sounds... eh). I guess it really comes down to preference; I wouldn't think there's a "right" way to stylize it, though I could easily be wrong.
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Post by Pantalones » Mon Nov 07, 2016 4:46 pm

This is more of a grammar question, but I've seen the word "Saiyan" capitalized a lot...shouldn't it just be "saiyan," with a lower-case s? I mean, it's not like we write, "Kuririn is a Human."
The difference is that "Saiyan" is both a species and a... not exactly a nation but I guess you could say culture/society? So it's capitalized just like you'd capitalize "American" or "Canadian" or "Arab" or "Navajo."

On the other hand, "human" is only a species -- even in the Dragonball world with its one united world government setup, there's clearly pretty big divisions in culture from one area to another. We don't really see that with Saiyans -- there's the lower-class/elite thing, but that's about the only division in Saiyan society. As far as culture or identity as a race/society, they pretty much are all just "Saiyan" and nothing else.

(Plus, fictional species usually get capitalized, especially if their names are a new made-up word that hasn't been around long enough to become basically a regular ol' dictionary word like "elf" and "orc" and so forth. Like how the Mario series has Goombas and Koopas and so on, the Pokémon games have their 700+ different monster species, and so on.)

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