"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Zamasu55]

From a producers viewpoint? you being serious right now? Merged Zamasu and SSJB Vegito wasnt even mentioned.

Merged Zamasu was mentioned in the next pages actually.

Not in the comment about who's the strongest, you actually take the producers word claiming that Goku Black is the strongest besides Beerus? Merged Zamasu is literally a more broken character than Black is. He didnt mention them because he probably didnt want to put in fused characters, Black being stronger than a fusion of him and an immortal is ridiculous.

You don't get my point, do you? If Merged Zamasu is above Beerus, as a lot of users are saying after the last episode, why didn't that producer tell us? Remember Toriyama's words...
Just admit you hate the fact Beerus is this strong. I do that too.

[Kanassa]

If Vegetto is getting a new weakness, I do think it could come from the fact that this is probably the first time the earrings have been used twice on the same people. Since to the Kais defusing had been an impossibility.

[SansrivaaL]

You don't get my point, do you? If Merged Zamasu is above Beerus, as a lot of users are saying after the last episode, why didn't that producer tell us? Remember Toriyama's words...
Just admit you hate the fact Beerus is this strong. I do that too.

Characters reactions are enough to get the idea that Merged Zamasu is stronger than Beerus, from Vegeta and Gowasu,I do get your point, its you thats reading into this the wrong way.
I dont hate the fact that Beerus is strong, you do that but I dont, I wait for confirmation or characters reactions and comments, since you're so into this Beerus>Merged Zamasu then why didnt he mention Beerus when he was asked "So does this mean Merged Zamasu is unbeatable?" its simple really.

[jjgp1112]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

I mean, going off of Zamasu55's logic, is Goku Black stronger than Merged Zamasu too? See how quickly this whole argument falls apart?

[Anime Kitten]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

This. Exactly this. Again, I don't believe it was implied that Beerus is stronger than Merged Zamasu. But when we look at the statement, it's ki~inda sorta implied that Merged Zamasu is the strongest fighter, thus greater than Beerus (and potentially Whis, but that's not what I'm getting into right now).

[HeroR]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

I mean, going off of Zamasu55's logic, is Goku Black stronger than Merged Zamasu too? See how quickly this whole argument falls apart?

He's most likely considered a cheat because he's A) a fusion B) has Black's ability to grow stronger from battle, and C) an immortal. Merged Zamasu is a purely unfair character.

[Legion]

Guys, can you just wait the next episodes? We must also see what weaknesses will have Vegetto and Zamasu .-.

And, i don't care if Zamasu is stronger than Beerus or no, but it's obvious that is not "unbeatable".

[Zamasu55]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

I mean, going off of Zamasu55's logic, is Goku Black stronger than Merged Zamasu too? See how quickly this whole argument falls apart?

If Merged Zamasu surpassed Beerus, Toriyama or at least that producer would have told us, because that's what Toriyama said he was gonna do. Tell us when Beerus and Whis were going to get surpassed. They didn't do that, or am I missing some statement?

[Zamasu55]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

This. Exactly this. Again, I don't believe it was implied that Beerus is stronger than Merged Zamasu. But when we look at the statement, it's ki~inda sorta implied that Merged Zamasu is the strongest fighter, thus greater than Beerus (and potentially Whis, but that's not what I'm getting into right now).

How is that implied? How?

[YonedgeHP]

Guys, can you just wait the next episodes? We must also see what weaknesses will have Vegetto and Zamasu .-.

And, i don't care if Zamasu is stronger than Beerus or no, but it's obvious that is not "unbeatable".

This thread is not only to post official announcements and facts about the next content (like the title says), but also to discuss what will happen. If you don't want to see debates, do not see this thread, since it isn't made for what a few people want. Sorry if I sound rude, but a forum doesn't work like that.

[Zamasu55]

Guys, can you just wait the next episodes? We must also see what weaknesses will have Vegetto and Zamasu .-.

And, i don't care if Zamasu is stronger than Beerus or no, but it's obvious that is not "unbeatable".

This reminds me of how everyone thought SsjB Goku with Kaiohken was stronger than Beerus, yet two episodes later Champa stated Time-Leap and Kaiohken are nothing to him. And Champa's weaker than Beerus.
That's going to happen again, I guess. Unless someone relevant tells us SsjB Vegito and/or Merged Zamasu are stronger than Beerus. There needs to be a direct statement, not speculations.

[Boo Machine]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

I mean, going off of Zamasu55's logic, is Goku Black stronger than Merged Zamasu too? See how quickly this whole argument falls apart?

If Merged Zamasu surpassed Beerus, Toriyama or at least that producer would have told us, because that's what Toriyama said he was gonna do. Tell us when Beerus and Whis was going to get surpassed. They didn't do that, or am I missing some statement?

I must have missed an interview or something. When did Toriyama say he was going to tell us when Beerus and Whis got surpassed?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

The producer said that Goku Black is the strongest fighter save for Beerus. Then in the next question says that Merged Zamasu is a cheat character and unrivaled. I think it's pretty dang clear that he's excluding Merged Zamasu from the first answer and only referring to non-fused beings.

I mean, going off of Zamasu55's logic, is Goku Black stronger than Merged Zamasu too? See how quickly this whole argument falls apart?

If Merged Zamasu surpassed Beerus, Toriyama or at least that producer would have told us, because that's what Toriyama said he was gonna do. Tell us when Beerus and Whis was going to get surpassed. They didn't do that, or am I missing some statement?

I must have missed an interview or something. When did Toriyama say he was going to tell us when Beerus and Whis got surpassed?

Never. All he said was that Goku (and presumably, Vegeta) won't surpass Beerus in the near future. That's all that was said on the matter.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

It's been confirmed my friend.

No it hasn't this is merely what the producers thoughts are. He isn't Toriyama until Toriyama says or Toei release an official statement nothing is confirmed. He's merely speculating like us.

On the other hand, has Toriyama confirmed Merged Zamasu is above Beerus? Yours is just speculation as well. And I get it, you want Beerus to get surpassed but thhat won't happen anytime soon probably.

I'm not saying anything about Merged Zamasu or Beerus I'm not talking about that but what was said isn't confirmed or a fact. The producer thinks what he thinks and if you agree with him then fine but it's not official you can't go around pushing it as confirmed until it actually is.

[Zamasu55]

No it hasn't this is merely what the producers thoughts are. He isn't Toriyama until Toriyama says or Toei release an official statement nothing is confirmed. He's merely speculating like us.

On the other hand, has Toriyama confirmed Merged Zamasu is above Beerus? Yours is just speculation as well. And I get it, you want Beerus to get surpassed but thhat won't happen anytime soon probably.

I'm not saying anything about Merged Zamasu or Beerus I'm not talking about that but what was said isn't confirmed or a fact. The producer thinks what he thinks and if you agree with him then fine but it's not official you can't go around pushing it as confirmed until it actually is.

Let's wait.
But if the arc just ends without any direct statement, it'll mean Beerus is still the strongest. Which would be absurd, but this is Super.

[giovanni02]

If you need statements about Beerus being surpassed, how about these:
- Gowasu said: "What a horrifying Ki, I've never seen anything like that."
- Kaioshin said: "His power as a God is beyond even our own comprehension."
- Vegeta said: "Impossible. God or not, I've never seen a Ki like that!"
- Merged Zamasu said: "The immortal and most powerful God, Zamasu!"

I guess those can qualify as what you need, even though they make no direct mention to Beerus, they are coming from people who know Beerus and his power.

[HeroR]

Let's wait.
But if the arc just ends without any direct statement, it'll mean Beerus is still the strongest. Which would be absurd, but this is Super.

You are aware that the lack of evidence isn't evidence itself.

[Super Saiyan God]

Well i think if ssjb vegito wont be able to take him down then till episode 72 goku will buy time to use universal spirit bomb (but fail to defeat like freeza) then i think on episode 69 or 70 we will see gokus next form and thats beerus surpassed mean. And in 1-2 episode merged zamasu will be defeated.

[Helios518]

Let's wait.
But if the arc just ends without any direct statement, it'll mean Beerus is still the strongest. Which would be absurd, but this is Super.

You are aware that the lack of evidence isn't evidence itself.

Yeah, actually it's fallacy or a broken argument. http://examples.yourdictionary.com/exam ... llacy.html

[Zamasu55]

If you need statements about Beerus being surpassed, how about these:
- Gowasu said: "What a horrifying Ki, I've never seen anything like that."
- Kaioshin said: "His power as a God is beyond even our own comprehension."
- Vegeta said: "Impossible. God or not, I've never seen a Ki like that!"
- Merged Zamasu said: "The immortal and most powerful God, Zamasu!"

I guess those can qualify as what you need, even though they make no direct mention to Beerus, they are coming from people who know Beerus and his power.

They don't know his full strenght. No one does, aside from Whis and probably Champa (even though they never went all out whilst fighting each other).