"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

If you need statements about Beerus being surpassed, how about these:
- Gowasu said: "What a horrifying Ki, I've never seen anything like that."
- Kaioshin said: "His power as a God is beyond even our own comprehension."
- Vegeta said: "Impossible. God or not, I've never seen a Ki like that!"
- Merged Zamasu said: "The immortal and most powerful God, Zamasu!"

I guess those can qualify as what you need, even though they make no direct mention to Beerus, they are coming from people who know Beerus and his power.

They don't know his full strenght. No one does, aside from Whis and probably Champa (even though they never went all out whilst fighting each other).

How do you know that they don't know how powerful Beerus is?

[giovanni02]

And even if they don't know how strong Beerus is, Whis and Champa aren't in the future, so they couldn't possibly make any comments on it.
Then, why were you so sure that Vegetto and Zamasu are weaker than Beerus? That doesn't make sense.
Plus, Gowasu and Kaioshin do have Kami-tube, they might know, and Goku and Vegeta trained for months with Whis and Beerus, they might have gotten to know their full power and we just don't know.

[Zamasu55]

If you need statements about Beerus being surpassed, how about these:
- Gowasu said: "What a horrifying Ki, I've never seen anything like that."
- Kaioshin said: "His power as a God is beyond even our own comprehension."
- Vegeta said: "Impossible. God or not, I've never seen a Ki like that!"
- Merged Zamasu said: "The immortal and most powerful God, Zamasu!"

I guess those can qualify as what you need, even though they make no direct mention to Beerus, they are coming from people who know Beerus and his power.

They don't know his full strenght. No one does, aside from Whis and probably Champa (even though they never went all out whilst fighting each other).

How do you know that they don't know how powerful Beerus is?

I said full strenght, his full power, his 100%... surely not something Gowasu knows, let alone Vegeta.

[Zamasu55]

And even if they don't know how strong Beerus is, Whis and Champa aren't in the future, so they couldn't possibly make any comments on it.
Then, why were you so sure that Vegetto and Zamasu are weaker than Beerus? That doesn't make sense.
Plus, Gowasu and Kaioshin do have Kami-tube, they might know, and Goku and Vegeta trained for months with Whis and Beerus, they might have gotten to know their full power and we just don't know.

Nothing makes sense here. Merged Zamasu, who should be hundrends of times stronger than Goku, Vegeta and Trunks, has had trouble with them. It's like seeing Ssj Vegito have trouble with Ssj3 Goku, Ssj3 Gotenks and Super Buu. Non-sense.

[dbgtFO]

I would love it, if Vegetto's weakness is because they are two humans fusing together, when the merging was specifically designed for Kaioshin and if Merged Zamasu is also getting screwed over because he defiled the Potara by fusing together with a human's body(though that would raise questions about Elder Kaioshin's merger with that old witch ).
It's a double thumbs up, if this also explains why Vegetto is dual voiced, when all other Potara Mergers so far only have one voice(though I also liked the theory, that it's simply because one personality overpowered the other, due to power, whereas Vegeta and Goku were more even, thus both having a say).

[giovanni02]

They don't know his full strenght. No one does, aside from Whis and probably Champa (even though they never went all out whilst fighting each other).

How do you know that they don't know how powerful Beerus is?

I said full strenght, his full power, his 100%... surely not something Gowasu knows, let alone Vegeta.

Well, I do agree with you that most of the anime doesn't make sense, particularly when it comes to power levels and I do not like the direction this conversation is headed (full of speculations).
However, analysing the anime only, Beerus said, during his fight with Super Saiyan God Goku that he was using 100% of his power. (Episode 13, around 14 minutes). So, Goku and Vegeta should know his full power (I mean, by his own words),
and Merged Zamasu should also know, I mean, he did have access to Zuno's infinite knowledge and was smart enough to kill Kaioshins instead of Gods of Destruction, that is a sign that he might very well be aware of their power.

But, as I said, this is all pure speculation, I guess time will tell.

[SuperRose]

I don't know if the producer is either stupid or clueless. Using Beerus as the strongest character as a comparison is still a joke with having Whis and Vados as an example

[Anime Kitten]

How is that implied? How?

Even by the standards of the Dragon Ball world, I think it’s fitting to call Merged Zamasu a “cheat” character. He has unrivaled power to beat down his enemies, and the power of immortality, which nullifies all attacks. Another highlight is all the different techniques he comes up with. If he does have a weakness, I suppose it might be the fact that he was originally one person.

Do you see what I'm saying? Beerus can't destroy an immortal, at least going by normal logic (as you and me both know how odd Super's powerscaling can be).

[Zamasu55]

How is that implied? How?

Even by the standards of the Dragon Ball world, I think it’s fitting to call Merged Zamasu a “cheat” character. He has unrivaled power to beat down his enemies, and the power of immortality, which nullifies all attacks. Another highlight is all the different techniques he comes up with. If he does have a weakness, I suppose it might be the fact that he was originally one person.

Do you see what I'm saying? Beerus can't destroy an immortal, at least going by normal logic (as you and me both know how odd Super's powerscaling can be).

He stated he could easily destroy Future Zamasu, who is immortal and Beerus is aware of this.

[ArchedThunder]

I had previously been of the assumption that Zamasu losing the beam struggle at the end of 65 would have him come out of the smoke with the melty face and arm, but the art in Animedia makes me wonder if that doesn't happen to him until after Goku and Vegeta fuse.
Also if we don't see Vegetto use Spirit Sword as an arm blade and clash with Zamasu's arm blade I'll be disappointed.

[Anime Kitten]

He stated he could easily destroy Future Zamasu, who is immortal and Beerus is aware of this.

It's not really a good idea to believe everything Beerus says. He was proven wrong by the Time Ring about how destroying Present Zamasu would destroy Black.

Zamasu losing the beam struggle at the end of 66

Do you mean #65?

[ArchedThunder]

He stated he could easily destroy Future Zamasu, who is immortal and Beerus is aware of this.

It's not really a good idea to believe everything Beerus says. He was proven wrong by the Time Ring about how destroying Present Zamasu would destroy Black.

Yeah, Beerus is a pathological liar.

Zamasu losing the beam struggle at the end of 66

Do you mean #65?

Whoops, my bad, let me fix that. My mind isn't quite straight with recent events and all.

[Avok]

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

[HeroR]

He stated he could easily destroy Future Zamasu, who is immortal and Beerus is aware of this.

It's not really a good idea to believe everything Beerus says. He was proven wrong by the Time Ring about how destroying Present Zamasu would destroy Black.

Zamasu losing the beam struggle at the end of 66

Do you mean #65?

He didn't know the Time Ring would protect Black because he thought that the Zamasu he killed was Future Zamasu, because he believed Future Zamasu was Present Zamasu. So he didn't lie. He just didn't have all the facts and made the wrong assumption.

[GodVegetto91]

Impossible... God or not, I've never seen anyone let off energy like this! - Vegeta

This comment seems really convincing and over the top which makes me believe he's even above Whis. Yes i know he hasn't shown his full power yet. But still. "GOD OR NOT!" "IMPOSSIBLE" ANYONE! notice those key words here. If that isn't "wank" or being "overly impressed" i don't know what is.

[ArchedThunder]

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

But we know that the number of people stronger than Beerus is probably in the double digits, so there really isn't any reason to force villains to be weaker than him.

[Legion]

Yeah, Beerus is a pathological liar.

Beerus didn't know the power of the time ring (even Whis, actually), and Black is still alive only for this, basically. I don't think that is a "liar" for this.

At this point, i hope that one day we will see Beerus and Whis full power, so we will know how powerful they really are.

But, for me, Whis>>>merged Zamasu.

[GodVegetto91]

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

Well Beerus isn't the God/King of all universes like Zeno is, and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him, as well as 12 angels being above him. That said, the person you're putting him up against is no ordinary runt, not even an ordinary god.. No. This is a SSJ BLUE Vegetto!

[Avok]

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

But we know that the number of people stronger than Beerus is probably in the double digits, so there really isn't any reason to force villains to be weaker than him.

Yeah, but those beings are the deities above him. They should be out of the league of everyone else in the series.
It shouldn't make sense that your average bad guy could get powerful enough to compete against who is pretty much the God of the universe.

I don't get why people are so infuriated by it.

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

Well Beerus isn't the God/King of all universes like Zeno is, and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him, as well as 12 angels being above him. That said, the person you're putting him up against is no ordinary runt, not even an ordinary god.. No. This is a SSJ BLUE Vegetto!

I'm talking about U7. I expect the other Gods of Destruction to be pretty much even.

[Legion]

and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him

Actually, we don't know anything about the other Gods of Destruction.