"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him

Actually, we don't know anything about the other Gods of Destruction.

Although nothing would make me happier than Beerus and Champa being the laughingstock of the Gods of Destruction.

[Legion]

Yeah, but those beings are the deities above him. They should be out of the league of everyone else in the series.
It shouldn't make sense that your average bad guy could get powerful enough to compete against who is pretty much the God of the universe.

I don't get why people are so infuriated by it.

I think that people just want Goku/Vegeta>>Beerus, that's all.

[Anime Kitten]

This comment seems really convincing and over the top which makes me believe he's even above Whis.

15:22 / Context: Vegeta finds himself physically unable to attack Whis
Vegeta: "Whis, what are you?!"
Vegeta: "You're not just Beerus' caretaker, are you?!"
Whis: "Oh, didn't I mention it?"
Whis: "I'm Beerus-sama's teacher."
Vegeta: "H-his teacher?!"
Bulma: "Y-you're Beerus' teacher?!"
Whis: "Yes."
Bulma: "So, you're stonger than Beerus?"
Whis: *laughs* "Who knows?"

It's very heavily implied both here and in BOG (if I recall) that Whis is stronger. But I'll give you that we don't know for 100% certain.

[kinisking]

This comment seems really convincing and over the top which makes me believe he's even above Whis.

15:22 / Context: Vegeta finds himself physically unable to attack Whis
Vegeta: "Whis, what are you?!"
Vegeta: "You're not just Beerus' caretaker, are you?!"
Whis: "Oh, didn't I mention it?"
Whis: "I'm Beerus-sama's teacher."
Vegeta: "H-his teacher?!"
Bulma: "Y-you're Beerus' teacher?!"
Whis: "Yes."
Bulma: "So, you're stonger than Beerus?"
Whis: *laughs* "Who knows?"

It's very heavily implied both here and in BOG (if I recall) that Whis is stronger. But I'll give you that we don't know for 100% certain.

Except for the fact that whis knocked him in out in the bog movie and supers manga.

[Legion]

About Beerus i wait the next episodes, but i have really no doubt that Whis kick Zamasu ass.

We know that Zamasu will have a weakness and in the next episode Goku will destroy his halo alone. Arrogant or no, i doubt that Zamasu wants to lose his hax ability.

Zamasu is not so unbeatable like people think, for me. There's a reason for me if we have not seen these Gods to 100%, for now.

[GodVegetto91]

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

But we know that the number of people stronger than Beerus is probably in the double digits, so there really isn't any reason to force villains to be weaker than him.

Yeah, but those beings are the deities above him. They should be out of the league of everyone else in the series.
It shouldn't make sense that your average bad guy could get powerful enough to compete against who is pretty much the God of the universe.

I don't get why people are so infuriated by it.

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

Well Beerus isn't the God/King of all universes like Zeno is, and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him, as well as 12 angels being above him. That said, the person you're putting him up against is no ordinary runt, not even an ordinary god.. No. This is a SSJ BLUE Vegetto!

I'm talking about U7. I expect the other Gods of Destruction to be pretty much even.

No they're not. They're all stronger than the other. The first one they face is weaker than the second one they face and so on. That's how it is, should be, and will be. That's how dragonball works. The next enemy is usually stronger than the previous one. (Minus GF, Hit Black and Zamasu) because Beerus is a GoD. It makes no sense for all of them to be equal in strength. That's retarded.

[GodVegetto91]

and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him

Actually, we don't know anything about the other Gods of Destruction.

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

[HeroR]

But we know that the number of people stronger than Beerus is probably in the double digits, so there really isn't any reason to force villains to be weaker than him.

Yeah, but those beings are the deities above him. They should be out of the league of everyone else in the series.
It shouldn't make sense that your average bad guy could get powerful enough to compete against who is pretty much the God of the universe.

I don't get why people are so infuriated by it.

Well Beerus isn't the God/King of all universes like Zeno is, and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him, as well as 12 angels being above him. That said, the person you're putting him up against is no ordinary runt, not even an ordinary god.. No. This is a SSJ BLUE Vegetto!

I'm talking about U7. I expect the other Gods of Destruction to be pretty much even.

The Kais are also gods of the universe and Goku surpassed them by the Buu Saga. Before then, King Kai was the upper god and he's weaker than Nappa.

[Legion]

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

The Gods of destruction are not villains and I don't think they will fight Goku/Vegeta or Beerus. And if it were as you say, then Champa> Beerus.

For me are more or less all the same level, but who knows.

[GodKaio-Ken]

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

The Gods of destruction are not villains and I don't think they will fight Goku/Vegeta or Beerus. And if it were as you say, then Champa> Beerus.

For me are more or less all the same level, but who knows.

Didn't Beerus even say there are 12 Universe, some with Gods of Destruction more powerful than himself? In the movie I mean?

[Avok]

No they're not. They're all stronger than the other. The first one they face is weaker than the second one they face and so on. That's how it is, should be, and will be. That's how dragonball works. The next enemy is usually stronger than the previous one. (Minus GF, Hit Black and Zamasu) because Beerus is a GoD. It makes no sense for all of them to be equal in strength. That's retarded.

Umm what? They're not antagonists, so your logic is pointless.
They just mind their own business and that's it. If they were to be included in the story they most likely would be like Champa.

[HeroR]

and there are still 10 other Gods of Destruction who are likely stronger than him

Actually, we don't know anything about the other Gods of Destruction.

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

Champa was introduced after Beerus and he's at best only equal to Beerus. So that logic was already broken by the first new story arc in Super.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

The Gods of destruction are not villains and I don't think they will fight Goku/Vegeta or Beerus. And if it were as you say, then Champa> Beerus.

For me are more or less all the same level, but who knows.

Didn't Beerus even say there are 12 Universe, some with Gods of Destruction more powerful than himself? In the movie I mean?

I'm also a littler rusty, but I'm pretty sure that Beerus said there were people in those universes stronger than Goku, and that Whis was even stronger than Beerus himself.

[Legion]

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

The Gods of destruction are not villains and I don't think they will fight Goku/Vegeta or Beerus. And if it were as you say, then Champa> Beerus.

For me are more or less all the same level, but who knows.

Didn't Beerus even say there are 12 Universe, some with Gods of Destruction more powerful than himself? In the movie I mean?

I don't remember that he said that they are stronger than him, but the movies are irrelevant with super, so, it does not matter.

[giovanni02]

I believe that Vegetto and Merged Zamasu surpassing Beerus and perhaps even Whis is pratically necessary at this point. Because, if not, it means that Goku and Vegeta separately might never surpass them, after all, it's likely that Vegetto from Buu Saga has a base form that's more powerful than Goku and Vegeta's current base form. What I'm trying to say is, that these are fusions and the next villains are probably not going to be fusing or needing fusion against them, but Vegetto is imensely more powerful than Goku and Vegeta and if Beerus is never surpassed by them, then it's going to be very hard to make any sagas related to Gods of Destruction or Angels, which I think is the point of their existence, I mean, Dragon Ball always ends up creating characters and especially Gods to be surpassed eventually. (And there's still lots of them).

[GodVegetto91]

I am 100% certain that they will be stronger than Beerus. It's called progression. The next villain is always stronger than the last. It's only logical.

The Gods of destruction are not villains and I don't think they will fight Goku/Vegeta or Beerus. And if it were as you say, then Champa> Beerus.

For me are more or less all the same level, but who knows.

Villains, opponents, whatever. You get my point. Yes Champa was made weaker than Beerus but that's only because he's a lazy fat ass. If i were the creator i wouldn't make a fat character stronger than an anorexic one either. That said, i hope from now on all the Gods of Destruction have the same physique as Beerus!

[Legion]

Yes Champa was made weaker than Beerus but that's only because he's a lazy fat ass.

Lol please....

[GodVegetto91]

I believe that Vegetto and Merged Zamasu surpassing Beerus and perhaps even Whis is pratically necessary at this point. Because, if not, it means that Goku and Vegeta separately might never surpass them, after all, it's likely that Vegetto from Buu Saga has a base form that's more powerful than Goku and Vegeta's current base form. What I'm trying to say is, that these are fusions and the next villains are probably not going to be fusing or needing fusion against them, but Vegetto is imensely more powerful than Goku and Vegeta and if Beerus is never surpassed by them, then it's going to be very hard to make any sagas related to Gods of Destruction or Angels, which I think is the point of their existence, I mean, Dragon Ball always ends up creating characters and especially Gods to be surpassed eventually. (And there's still lots of them).

You sir, have made an awesome post! Lots of truth in there.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Beerus should be the strongest. I mean, he's an upper deity of the Dragon Ball world.

So are the Kaioshin, and Present Zamasu was considered one of the strongest one of them, even though he was just an apprentice.

Didn't Beerus even say there are 12 Universe, some with Gods of Destruction more powerful than himself? In the movie I mean?

He just said that he is the Hakaishin of the 7th Universe, and that there could be even more powerful people in the other universes in general. Black said in the manga that he is the most troublesome Hakaishin in all 12 Universes, implying that he is the strongest one.

[Legion]

I believe that Vegetto and Merged Zamasu surpassing Beerus and perhaps even Whis is pratically necessary at this point. Because, if not, it means that Goku and Vegeta separately might never surpass them, after all, it's likely that Vegetto from Buu Saga has a base form that's more powerful than Goku and Vegeta's current base form. What I'm trying to say is, that these are fusions and the next villains are probably not going to be fusing or needing fusion against them, but Vegetto is imensely more powerful than Goku and Vegeta and if Beerus is never surpassed by them, then it's going to be very hard to make any sagas related to Gods of Destruction or Angels, which I think is the point of their existence, I mean, Dragon Ball always ends up creating characters and especially Gods to be surpassed eventually. (And there's still lots of them).

Are you sure? Toriyama can always create a new transformation angel level or above, if he wants, without any explanation. Remember that the power levels are shit.

I think that Goku/Vegeta will surpass Beerus and Whis at the end of super probably, but not people like Grand Priest or Zeno. Is not necessary.