Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

New power level list, in this one I try to keep things as low as possible and ignore all non-manga levels just for fun. Say hello to the infamous invisible Kaioken theory.

Your multiplier for SS is x30 Base right? Like how Toriyama implies it to be during one of those Daizenshuu entries?

30x? Didn't he say 10x? Also, mine is still 50x, just that Goku got demolished so his energy isn't as high as it normally would be.

He said it was 10 times higher than Goku's previous peak or something along those lines, you can infer that to being the KKX20 boost multiplied by 10 or that boost + 10.

[DanielSSJ]

30x? Didn't he say 10x? Also, mine is still 50x, just that Goku got demolished so his energy isn't as high as it normally would be.

The quote is this "My feeling as the creator is that, while drawing it, I felt that it was about a 10-fold change from what it was up to that point."

Of course it doesn't make sense for the Super Saiyan to boost Goku's power by 10, since the Kaioken x10 wasn't enough to match even half of Freeza's power. So some have taken Toriyama's "10-fold change" statement to mean that the Super Saiyan boost is 10 greater than Goku's then biggest power boost, aka the Kaioken x20. 10 + 20 is 30, therefor Super Saiyan is a 30x boost.

I personally don't subscribe to this logic, since a fold change by definition refers to multiplication, not addition. I personally interpret Toriyama's statement as meaning "Super Saiyan is a 50-fold boost, but that's really big and hard to imagine, and as I drew it, it felt like a more modest 10-fold increase."

[TheUltimateNinja]

Snip.

I wouldn't put too much stock in this, most likely Toriyama just meant it was easier to visualize a 10x increase.

Snip.

This is my interpretation as well.

Updated my list with new sagas.

To make sense of Goku being so much weaker than Vegeta and to prevent Vegeta's SSJ from greatly inflating the scale, I've arbitrarily decided that rather than being a constant 50x boost SSJ simply boosts your base to 1 million and multiplies that by 5, and if your BP is already higher than it's a simple 5x multiplier.

Spoiler:

Vegeta: 450,000

Frieza: 530,000

Gohan: 150,000

Kuririn: 80,000

Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000

Gohan (Enraged): 900,000

Piccolo (Nail Fusion): 1,000,000

Frieza (Full Power): 1,060,000

Piccolo (Weights off): 1,100,000

Frieza (3rd form): 1,500,000

Gohan (Healed): 200,000

Gohan (Enraged): 1,200,000

Vegeta (Zenkai): 1,350,000

Frieza (Final Form): 1,590,000

Frieza (Powered up): 1,800,000

Goku (Healed): 170,000

Goku (Kaioken x10): 1,700,000

Frieza (33%): 2,000,000

Frieza (50%): 3,000,000

Goku (Exhausted): 150,000

Goku (Kaioken x20): 3,000,000

Frieza (70%): 4,200,000

Goku (Battered): 100,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Frieza (Injured): 3,150,000

Frieza (100%) 4,500,000

Frieza (True 100%): 6,000,000

Spoiler:

Mecha Frieza (Hypothetical Full Power): 6,400,000

Mecha Frieza: 5,000,000

King Cold: 4,500,000

Future Trunks: 1,350,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,750,000

Goku: 1,380,000

SSJ Goku: 6,900,000

Piccolo: 1,400,000

Spoiler:

Goku (Virus): 1,000,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Android 19: 3,800,000

19 (Goku's energy): 4,800,000

SSJ Goku (Exhausted): 3,500,000 and dropping.

Vegeta: 1,400,000

SSJ Vegeta: 7,000,000

Trunks: 1,360,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,800,000

Piccolo: 4,500,000

18: 7,500,000

17: 7,700,000

Cell (Initial): 7,200,000

Piccolo (Kami fusion): 8,000,000

16: 9,000,000

Cell (Post): 8,800,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 11,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 2,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 10,000,000

Grade 2 Vegeta: 15,000,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 1,980,000

SSJ Trunks: 9,900,000

Grade 2 Trunks: 14,850,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 12,000,000

Perfect Cell (Initial): 14,500,000

Perfect Cell (Warmed Up): 16,500,000

Grade 3 Trunks: 16,800,000

Buff Cell: 18,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku (RoSAT): 5,200,000

MSSJ Goku (Powering up for Korin): 16,000,000

MSSJ Goku: 26,000,000

Gohan (RoSAT): 5,400,000

MSSJ Gohan: 27,000,000

Piccolo (RoSAT): 16,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Vegeta: 17,500,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Trunks: 17,500,000

Cell Jrs.: 17,500,000

Perfect Cell: 27,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 54,000,000

FP Cell: 36,000,000

Power Weighted Cell: 45,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 54,000,000

[ekrolo2]

Now I want to see a list where SS is an x200 boost to Base and with the SEG multipliers for 2 and 3 for the later stuff.

Updated my list with new sagas.

To make sense of Goku being so much weaker than Vegeta and to prevent Vegeta's SSJ from greatly inflating the scale, I've arbitrarily decided that rather than being a constant 50x boost SSJ simply boosts your base to 1 million and multiplies that by 5, and if your BP is already higher than it's a simple 5x multiplier.

Spoiler:

Vegeta: 450,000

Frieza: 530,000

Gohan: 150,000

Kuririn: 80,000

Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000

Gohan (Enraged): 900,000

Piccolo (Nail Fusion): 1,000,000

Frieza (Full Power): 1,060,000

Piccolo (Weights off): 1,100,000

Frieza (3rd form): 1,500,000

Gohan (Healed): 200,000

Gohan (Enraged): 1,200,000

Vegeta (Zenkai): 1,350,000

Frieza (Final Form): 1,590,000

Frieza (Powered up): 1,800,000

Goku (Healed): 170,000

Goku (Kaioken x10): 1,700,000

Frieza (33%): 2,000,000

Frieza (50%): 3,000,000

Goku (Exhausted): 150,000

Goku (Kaioken x20): 3,000,000

Frieza (70%): 4,200,000

Goku (Battered): 100,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Frieza (Injured): 3,150,000

Frieza (100%) 4,500,000

Frieza (True 100%): 6,000,000

Spoiler:

Mecha Frieza (Hypothetical Full Power): 6,400,000

Mecha Frieza: 5,000,000

King Cold: 4,500,000

Future Trunks: 1,350,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,750,000

Goku: 1,380,000

SSJ Goku: 6,900,000

Piccolo: 1,400,000

Spoiler:

Goku (Virus): 1,000,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Android 19: 3,800,000

19 (Goku's energy): 4,800,000

SSJ Goku (Exhausted): 3,500,000 and dropping.

Vegeta: 1,400,000

SSJ Vegeta: 7,000,000

Trunks: 1,360,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,800,000

Piccolo: 4,500,000

18: 7,500,000

17: 7,700,000

Cell (Initial): 7,200,000

Piccolo (Kami fusion): 8,000,000

16: 9,000,000

Cell (Post): 8,800,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 11,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 2,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 10,000,000

Grade 2 Vegeta: 15,000,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 1,980,000

SSJ Trunks: 9,900,000

Grade 2 Trunks: 14,850,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 12,000,000

Perfect Cell (Initial): 14,500,000

Perfect Cell (Warmed Up): 16,500,000

Grade 3 Trunks: 16,800,000

Buff Cell: 18,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku (RoSAT): 5,200,000

MSSJ Goku (Powering up for Korin): 16,000,000

MSSJ Goku: 26,000,000

Gohan (RoSAT): 5,400,000

MSSJ Gohan: 27,000,000

Piccolo (RoSAT): 16,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Vegeta: 17,500,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Trunks: 17,500,000

Cell Jrs.: 17,500,000

Perfect Cell: 27,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 54,000,000

FP Cell: 36,000,000

Power Weighted Cell: 45,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 54,000,000

I'd make Kamiccolo a true double boost but his power nearly doubling is fine too. I also believe that Gohan, even with SS1, is noticeably stronger than Goku, not vastly but I'd put him 3-5 mil over his dad.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Now I want to see a list where SS is an x200 boost to Base and with the SEG multipliers for 2 and 3 for the later stuff.

Updated my list with new sagas.

To make sense of Goku being so much weaker than Vegeta and to prevent Vegeta's SSJ from greatly inflating the scale, I've arbitrarily decided that rather than being a constant 50x boost SSJ simply boosts your base to 1 million and multiplies that by 5, and if your BP is already higher than it's a simple 5x multiplier.

Spoiler:

Vegeta: 450,000

Frieza: 530,000

Gohan: 150,000

Kuririn: 80,000

Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000

Gohan (Enraged): 900,000

Piccolo (Nail Fusion): 1,000,000

Frieza (Full Power): 1,060,000

Piccolo (Weights off): 1,100,000

Frieza (3rd form): 1,500,000

Gohan (Healed): 200,000

Gohan (Enraged): 1,200,000

Vegeta (Zenkai): 1,350,000

Frieza (Final Form): 1,590,000

Frieza (Powered up): 1,800,000

Goku (Healed): 170,000

Goku (Kaioken x10): 1,700,000

Frieza (33%): 2,000,000

Frieza (50%): 3,000,000

Goku (Exhausted): 150,000

Goku (Kaioken x20): 3,000,000

Frieza (70%): 4,200,000

Goku (Battered): 100,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Frieza (Injured): 3,150,000

Frieza (100%) 4,500,000

Frieza (True 100%): 6,000,000

Spoiler:

Mecha Frieza (Hypothetical Full Power): 6,400,000

Mecha Frieza: 5,000,000

King Cold: 4,500,000

Future Trunks: 1,350,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,750,000

Goku: 1,380,000

SSJ Goku: 6,900,000

Piccolo: 1,400,000

Spoiler:

Goku (Virus): 1,000,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Android 19: 3,800,000

19 (Goku's energy): 4,800,000

SSJ Goku (Exhausted): 3,500,000 and dropping.

Vegeta: 1,400,000

SSJ Vegeta: 7,000,000

Trunks: 1,360,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,800,000

Piccolo: 4,500,000

18: 7,500,000

17: 7,700,000

Cell (Initial): 7,200,000

Piccolo (Kami fusion): 8,000,000

16: 9,000,000

Cell (Post): 8,800,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 11,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 2,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 10,000,000

Grade 2 Vegeta: 15,000,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 1,980,000

SSJ Trunks: 9,900,000

Grade 2 Trunks: 14,850,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 12,000,000

Perfect Cell (Initial): 14,500,000

Perfect Cell (Warmed Up): 16,500,000

Grade 3 Trunks: 16,800,000

Buff Cell: 18,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku (RoSAT): 5,200,000

MSSJ Goku (Powering up for Korin): 16,000,000

MSSJ Goku: 26,000,000

Gohan (RoSAT): 5,400,000

MSSJ Gohan: 27,000,000

Piccolo (RoSAT): 16,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Vegeta: 17,500,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Trunks: 17,500,000

Cell Jrs.: 17,500,000

Perfect Cell: 27,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 54,000,000

FP Cell: 36,000,000

Power Weighted Cell: 45,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 54,000,000

I'd make Kamiccolo a true double boost but his power nearly doubling is fine too. I also believe that Gohan, even with SS1, is noticeably stronger than Goku, not vastly but I'd put him 3-5 mil over his dad.

The problem is I have to keep Base Saiyans below Frieza and they're already getting real close, Gohan himself is already 90% of Frieza.

[ekrolo2]

The problem is I have to keep Base Saiyans below Frieza and they're already getting real close, Gohan himself is already 90% of Frieza.

That is a problem. Maybe upgrading SS1s multiplier for after its mastery then? The series already says Goku & Gohan, by mastering the form, can spend less energy on other things like for transformation & maintaining it, leaving them more energy to use in battle, maybe some of that lets them boost SS1 past its original multiplier?

[TheUltimateNinja]

The problem is I have to keep Base Saiyans below Frieza and they're already getting real close, Gohan himself is already 90% of Frieza.

That is a problem. Maybe upgrading SS1s multiplier for after its mastery then? The series already says Goku & Gohan, by mastering the form, can spend less energy on other things like for transformation & maintaining it, leaving them more energy to use in battle, maybe some of that lets them boost SS1 past its original multiplier?

Sounds good, I could have MSSJ at 1.2x SSJ/6x Base.

Another thing, what about Gotenks? Should I give him reduced multipliers and a really strong base or just stick with the usual multipliers?

[ekrolo2]

Another thing, what about Gotenks? Should I give him reduced multipliers and a really strong base or just stick with the usual multipliers?

Gotenks depends on your stance of his power. Piccolo's comment in the ROSAT could mean Gotenks has reached SS3 Goku tier in Base alone or that he simply got a fair amount stronger. I personally go with the later as it makes the PLs a lot less inflated. I usually keep the multipliers the same and have his Base level around Semi-Perfect Cell.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Another thing, what about Gotenks? Should I give him reduced multipliers and a really strong base or just stick with the usual multipliers?

Gotenks depends on your stance of his power. Piccolo's comment in the ROSAT could mean Gotenks has reached SS3 Goku tier in Base alone or that he simply got a fair amount stronger. I personally go with the later as it makes the PLs a lot less inflated. I usually keep the multipliers the same and have his Base level around Semi-Perfect Cell.

On the other hand, the whole Base Gotenks (Post) surpassing SSJ Gotenks (Pre) makes a lot more sense if his multipliers are reduced, plus it can help keep the numbers lower.

I have the fusion dance multiplier at (A + B)x5 when the kids first do it and at x10 after they master it in the time chamber, and the potara multiplier at x10. Also, I've reduced SSJ3's multiplier, having it as 2x the previous SSJ state rather than 4x and I have Super Buu only gaining half of his victims' power.

Anyway, here's the list.

Updated with Buu Arc & Bog:

Spoiler:

Vegeta: 450,000

Frieza: 530,000

Gohan: 150,000

Kuririn: 80,000

Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000

Gohan (Enraged): 900,000

Piccolo (Nail Fusion): 1,000,000

Frieza (Full Power): 1,060,000

Piccolo (Weights off): 1,100,000

Frieza (3rd form): 1,500,000

Gohan (Healed): 200,000

Gohan (Enraged): 1,200,000

Vegeta (Zenkai): 1,350,000

Frieza (Final Form): 1,590,000

Frieza (Powered up): 1,800,000

Goku (Healed): 170,000

Goku (Kaioken x10): 1,700,000

Frieza (33%): 2,000,000

Frieza (50%): 3,000,000

Goku (Exhausted): 150,000

Goku (Kaioken x20): 3,000,000

Frieza (70%): 4,200,000

Goku (Battered): 100,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Frieza (Injured): 3,150,000

Frieza (100%) 4,500,000

Frieza (True 100%): 6,000,000

Spoiler:

Mecha Frieza (Hypothetical Full Power): 6,400,000

Mecha Frieza: 5,000,000

King Cold: 4,500,000

Future Trunks: 1,350,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,750,000

Goku: 1,380,000

SSJ Goku: 6,900,000

Piccolo: 1,400,000

Spoiler:

Goku (Virus): 1,000,000

SSJ Goku: 5,000,000

Android 19: 3,800,000

19 (Goku's energy): 4,800,000

SSJ Goku (Exhausted): 3,500,000 and dropping.

Vegeta: 1,400,000

SSJ Vegeta: 7,000,000

Trunks: 1,360,000

SSJ Trunks: 6,800,000

Piccolo: 4,500,000

18: 7,500,000

17: 7,700,000

Cell (Initial): 7,200,000

Piccolo (Kami fusion): 8,000,000

16: 9,000,000

Cell (Post): 8,800,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Initial): 11,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 2,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 10,000,000

Grade 2 Vegeta: 15,000,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 1,980,000

SSJ Trunks: 9,900,000

Grade 2 Trunks: 14,850,000

Semi Perfect Cell (Full Power): 12,000,000

Perfect Cell (Initial): 14,500,000

Perfect Cell (Warmed Up): 16,500,000

Grade 3 Trunks: 16,800,000

Buff Cell: 18,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku (RoSAT): 4,200,000

MSSJ Goku (Powering up for Korin): 16,000,000

MSSJ Goku: 25,000,000

Gohan (RoSAT): 4,500,000

MSSJ Gohan: 27,000,000

Piccolo (RoSAT): 16,000,000

Vegeta (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Vegeta: 17,500,000

Trunks (RoSAT): 3,500,000

SSJ Trunks: 17,500,000

Cell Jrs.: 17,500,000

Perfect Cell: 27,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 45,000,000

FP Cell: 30,000,000

Power Weighted Cell: 36,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 45,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku: 5,000,000

SSJ Goku: 25,000,000

SSJ2 Goku: 50,000,000

Vegeta: 4,400,000

SSJ Vegeta: 22,000,000

Gohan: 4,200,000

SSJ Gohan: 21,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 33,500,000

SSJ2 Gohan (Enraged): 42,000,000

Goten: 2,000,000

SSJ Goten: 10,000,000

Trunks: 2,100,000

SSJ Trunks: 10,500,000

Piccolo: 20,000,000

Pui Pui: 1,500,000

Yakon: 5,000,000

Dabura: 25,000,000

MSSJ Gohan: 25,000,000

Majin Vegeta: 48,000,000

Fat Buu: 70,000,000

SSJ3 Goku: 100,000,000

Gotenks: 20,000,000

SSJ Gotenks: 40,000,000

Super Buu: 175,000,000

Goten (Post): 2,250,000

Trunks (Post): 2,250,000

Gotenks: 45,000,000

SSJ Gotenks: 90,000,000

SSJ3 Gotenks: 180,000,000

Gohan (Z Sword): 4,500,000

Ultimate Gohan: 225,000,000

Buutenks: 265,000,000

Buuccolo: 185,000,000

Buuhan: 285,000,000

Vegetto: 100,000,000

Super Vegetto: 500,000,000

Spoiler:

Goku: 5,500,000

SSJ Goku: 27,500,000

SSJ2 Goku: 55,000,000

SSJ3 Goku: 110,000,000

Vegeta: 5,400,000

SSJ Vegeta: 27,000,000

SSJ2 Vegeta: 54,000,000

Rageta: 220,000,000

Ultimate Gohan: 180,000,000

SSJ Gotenks: 90,000,000

Goku (Failed God Ritual): 300,000,000

SSG Goku: 2,750,000,000

Beerus: 200,000,000,000

Whis: 500,000,000,000

[ahill1]

The design of this list was totally inspired by Victorious' list. Enjoy

Saiyan Saga

Spoiler:

Battle with Raditz

Farmer
~full power : 5

Muten Roshi
beginning of Z
~normal : 60
~buff : 139

Chaozu
beginning of Z
~full power : 145

Yajirobe
beginning of Z
~full power : 145

Yamcha
beginning of Z
~full power : 177

Kuririn
beginning of Z
~full power : 206

Tenshinhan
beginning of Z
~full power : 250

Piccolo
beginning of Z
~weighted : 322
~w/o weights : 408
----- 1st Makankosappo : 1,330

Son Goku
beginning of Z
~weighted : 334
~full power : 416
~----- Kamehameha : 924

Son Gohan
~calm : 1
~spaceship level : 710
~enranged : 1,307

Raditz
~full power : 1,250

Kaio-sama
~full power : 3,500


Battle with Nappa and Vegeta

Yajirobe
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~full power : 800

Chaozu
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~full power : 1,000

Saibaiman {6}
~full power : 1,200 {each}

Son Gohan
post 1 year Piccolo Saiyan preparation training
~suppressed : 981
~full power : 1,307
~enranged + Masenko : 2,800

Yamcha
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~full power : 1,350

Kuririn
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~suppressed : 1,083
~full power : 1,625

Tenshinhan
post 1 year Kami-sama Saiyan preparation training
~full power : 1,750

Piccolo
post 1 year Saiyan preparation training
~suppressed : 1,220
~full power : 2,500

Nappa
~initial : 2,800
~vs Z fighters : 4,000
~full power : 7,500

Son Goku
post 1 year Kaio-sama Saiyan preparation training
~suppressed : 5,000
~full power : 8,050
~Kaioken : 16,100
~Kaioken x3 : 24,150

Vegeta
~little effort : 9,000
~more effort : 16,100
~full power : 18,000
~Oozaru : 90,000
~post Oozaru : 4,000
~post Genki-Dama : 1,250

Freeza Saga

Spoiler:

Arrival on Namek


Son Gohan
post Vegeta battle zenkai
~full power : 1,500

Kuririn
~weighted : 1,500
~w/o weights : 1,750

Namek warriors {3}
~ suppressed : 1,000 {each}
~ true power : 3,000 {each}

Cui
~full power : 18,000

Dodoria
~full power : 20,000

Zarbon
~handsome : 22,000
~monster : 29,000

Vegeta
post Earth battle zenkai
~full power : 24,000
post Zarbon battle zenkai
~full power : 29,900


Battle with The Ginyu Force


Kuririn
post Guru awakening
~full power : 11,000
post Recoome battle
~full power : 24,000

Son Gohan
post Guru awakening
~full power : 12,000
post Recoome battle
~full power : 26,000

Vegeta
~full power : 29,900
post Recoome battle Zenkai
~vs Jheese : 250,000

Recoome
~full power : 40,000

Butta
~full power : 40,000

Jheese
~full power : 40,000

Ginyu
~suppressed : 70,000
~full power : 120,000

Son Goku
post Gravity Room Training
~heavily suppressed : 5,000
~vs Ginyus : 66,000
~full power : 90,000
~Kaioken : 180,000


Nail, the Namek warrior

Nail
~full power : 42,000

Freeza
~suppressed : 300,000



Battle with Freeza

Kuririn
potential gradually increasing
~full power : 250,000

Son Gohan
potential gradually increasing
~full power : 280,000
~enranged (vs 2nd form Freeza) : 1,000,000
post 2nd form Freeza beatdown zenkai
~full power : 1,000,000
~enranged (vs 3rd form Freeza) : 1,650,000
~Masenko : 1,900,000

Piccolo
post Kaio-sama's training
~full power : 300,000
post Nail assimilation
~weighted : 1,250,000
~w/o weights : 1,500,000

Vegeta
~full power : 480,000
post Kuririn blast Zenkai
~full power : 3,000,000

Freeza
~1st form : 530,000
~2nd form : 1,060,000
~2nd form (powered up) : 1,200,000
~2nd form (full power) : 1,400,000
~3rd form : 2,000,000
~final form (initial) : 3,000,000
~final form (speed up/warming up) : 4,800,000
~final form (w/o hands) : 6,600,000
~50% : 140,000,000
~70% : 196,000,000
~100% : 280,000,000

Son Goku
post Ginyu Battke Zenkai
~base (warming up) : 4,500,000
~base (full power/warm up over) : 6,000,000
~Kaioken x10 : 60,000,000
~Kaioken x20 : 120,000,000
~Super Saiyan : 300,000,000

Cell Saga

Spoiler:

The History of Trunks

Future Son Gohan
~base : 6,600,000
~Super Saiyan : 330,000,000
post arm amputation & training
~base : 8,800,000
~Super Saiyan : 440,000,000

Future Trunks
age 14
~base : 154,000
~Super Saiyan : 7,700,000
age 17 / 3 years after Gohan's death
~base : 9,600,000
~Super Saiyan : 480,000,000

Future #18
~full power : 1,000,000,000

Future #17
~40% : 400,000,000
~full power : 1,000,000,000


Freeza's revenge


King Cold
~full power : 200,000,000

Mecha Freeza
post cybernetic enhancement power up
~suppressed : 200,000,000
~full power (unseen) : 320,000,000

Future Trunks
~base : 9,600,000
~full power : 480,000,000

Son Goku
post 1 year & 260 days training on planet Yadrat
~base : 11,200,000
~Super Saiyan : 560,000,000


Battle with the Androids


Yamcha
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~full power : 8,000,000

Tenshinhan
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~full power : 10,000,000

Kuririn
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~full power : 12,000,000

Son Gohan
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~full power : 14,400,000

Android #19
~full power : 512,000,000
post ki absorptions
~full power : 640,000,000

Android #20
~full power : 560,000,000
post ki absorptions
~full power : 680,000,000

Piccolo
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~suppressed : 16,000,000
~full power : 800,000,000

Future Trunks
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~base : 18,000,000
~full power : 900,000,000

Son Goku
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~base : 19,200,000
~Super Saiyan : 960,000,000
~Super Saiyan sick : 640,000,000

Vegeta
post 3 years Androids preparation training
~base : 24,000,000
~Super Saiyan : 1,000,000,000
~Bing Bang Attack : 1,250,000,000

Android #18
~full power : 1,400,000,000

Android #17
~full power : 1,600,000,000


Android #21, Cell

Piccolo
post fusing with Kami
~weighted : 1,440,000,000

Cell
1st form
~full power : 1,200,000,000


The Quest for Perfection


Piccolo
~full power : 1,600,000,000
~tired and beat up : 1,200,000,000
---------- Gekiretsu Kodan : 2,300,000,000

Android #17
~full power : 1,600,000,000

Android #16
~full power : 3,200,000,000

Cell
post mass humans absorbed
~1st form (full power) : 3,200,000,000
post #17 absorption
~2nd form (initial) : 6,400,000,000


Hour of decision


Future Trunks
post 1st year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 120,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2nd grade : 10,312,500,000
~ Super Saiyan 3rd grade : 27,500,000,000

Vegeta
post 1st year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 128,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 6,400,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2nd grade : 11,000,000,000
----- Final Flash : 30,000,000,000

Cell
~ 2nd form (initial suppression) : 6,400,000,000
~ 2nd form (full power) : 8,000,000,000
post Android #18 absorption
~ Perfect form (initial reading/fake ki output) : 10,000,000,000
~ Perfect form ('warming up' suppression) : 22,000,000,000
----- power weighted : 30,000,000,000


10 Days of Peace

Son Goku
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (50%) : 40,000,000,000


The Cell Games

Android #16
~ max power : 3,200,000,000 (infinitely)

Piccolo
post Room of Spirit and Time training
~ weighted : 40,000,000,000
~ full power : 44,000,000,000

Future Trunks
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 1,024,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 51,200,000,000

Vegeta
post 2nd year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 1,060,000,000
~ Super Saiyan : 53,000,000,000

Son Goku
~ base : 1,600,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (warming up) : 22,000,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan (100%) : 80,000,000,000
----- post full power Kamehameha : 64,000,000,000
----- exhausted : 24,000,000,000

Son Gohan
post 1 year Room of Spirit and Time training
~ base : 2,200,000,000
~ Mastered Super Saiyan : 110,000,000,000
~ controlled rage / Super Saiyan 2 : 220,000,000,000

Cell
~ Perfect form ('warming up' suppression) : 22,000,000,000
~ Perfect form (powered up suppression)
@ holding back speed : 90,000,000,000
----- post regeneration : 72,000,000,000
---------- Perfect Barrier * : 120,000,000,000
---------- post senzu bean : 90,000,000,000
@ all out speed : 108,000,000,000
~beat up : 120,000,000,000
~ Perfect form (full power) : 144,000,000,000
---------- power weighted : 175,000,000,000
post Android #18 regurgitation
~ 2nd form : 8,000,000,000
post self destruction zenkai
~ Perfect form ('Super Perfect') : 200,000,000,000

Cell Juniors {7}
~ full power : 55,000,000,000 {each}

Free the Future


Future #18
~full power : 1,000,000,000

Future #17
~full power : 1,000,000,000

Future Trunks
~base : 1,024,000,000
~Super Saiyan : 51,200,000,000

Future Cell
~full power : 2,500,000,000

Future Trunks
post 3 years
~base : 1,280,000,000
~Super Saiyan : 64,000,000,000

[ahill1]

Why can't I edit my posts? Whenever I enter, there's no edit option.

[dbgtFO]

Why can't I edit my posts? Whenever I enter, there's no edit option.

You have a 2 hour edit window. After that you cannot edit anymore.

[ahill1]

Why can't I edit my posts? Whenever I enter, there's no edit option.

You have a 2 hour edit window. After that you cannot edit anymore.

Hmm, it sucks. I wanted to edit some power levels because I realized I made a typo.

If anyone can edit to me, I'd be grateful. It's future Trunks' (age 14) power level. His SSJ is supposed to be 7,700,000 rather than 385,000,000.

[dbgtFO]

Why can't I edit my posts? Whenever I enter, there's no edit option.

You have a 2 hour edit window. After that you cannot edit anymore.

Hmm, it sucks. I wanted to edit some power levels because I realized I made a typo.

If anyone can edit to me, I'd be grateful. It's future Trunks' (age 14) power level. His SSJ is supposed to be 7,700,000 rather than 385,000,000.

Actually you screwed up. The edit function may be gone after 2 hours, but since nobody but you had made another post since then you could have just deleted your power levels post and reuploaded it with the changes
I can delete my post and the one before that, if you also delete yours. Just send me a pm where you confirm and then I will delete my posts, but we have to be quick before someone else posts in here!

[Kaboom]

No need for deletion shenanigans, I made the edit. I also took it upon myself to put things into spoiler tags for easier and more compact reading. I'd recommend doing so when posting long lists directly into the thread.

[ahill1]

Okay. Thanks dbgtFO and Kaboom.

What power levels given in the guidebooks do you disagree with? How would you re-write them? That's the power levels given, as far as I'm aware:

Goku (beginning of DB) : 10
Tsuru-sennin : 120
Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) : 130
Roshi (22nd Budokai) : 139
Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) : 180
Goku (22nd Budokai) : 180
Karin-sama : 190
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai : 210
Kami-sama : 220
Piccolo Daimao (youth restored) : 260
Chaozu (Saiyan saga) : 610
Goku (23rd Budokai) : 910
Yajirobe (Saiyan saga) : 970
Mr. Popo : 1,030
Yamcha (Saiyan saga) : 1,480
Kuririn (Saiyan saga) : 1,770
Tenshinhan (Saiyan saga) : 1,830
Piccolo (Saiyan saga) : 3,500
Nappa : 4,000
Goku (post Kaio training) : 8,000
Kuririn (vs Ginyus) : 13,000
Gohan (vs Ginyus) : 14,000
Dodoria : 22,000
Zarbon : 23,000
Vegeta (vs Ginyus) : 30,000
Kuririn (Freeza saga) : 75,000
Gohan (Freeza saga) : 200,000
Vegeta (Freeza saga) : 250,000
Goku (vs Freeza) : 3,000,000
Freeza (100%) : 120,000,000
Goku SSJ : 150,000,000


If there weren't these numbers, what'd be yours?

[VegetaSSJBlue]

Okay. Thanks dbgtFO and Kaboom.

What power levels given in the guidebooks do you disagree with? How would you re-write them? That's the power levels given, as far as I'm aware:

Goku (beginning of DB) : 10
Tsuru-sennin : 120
Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) : 130
Roshi (22nd Budokai) : 139
Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) : 180
Goku (22nd Budokai) : 180
Karin-sama : 190
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai : 210
Kami-sama : 220
Piccolo Daimao (youth restored) : 260
Chaozu (Saiyan saga) : 610
Goku (23rd Budokai) : 910
Yajirobe (Saiyan saga) : 970
Mr. Popo : 1,030
Yamcha (Saiyan saga) : 1,480
Kuririn (Saiyan saga) : 1,770
Tenshinhan (Saiyan saga) : 1,830
Piccolo (Saiyan saga) : 3,500
Nappa : 4,000
Goku (post Kaio training) : 8,000
Kuririn (vs Ginyus) : 13,000
Gohan (vs Ginyus) : 14,000
Dodoria : 22,000
Zarbon : 23,000
Vegeta (vs Ginyus) : 30,000
Kuririn (Freeza saga) : 75,000
Gohan (Freeza saga) : 200,000
Vegeta (Freeza saga) : 250,000
Goku (vs Freeza) : 3,000,000
Freeza (100%) : 120,000,000
Goku SSJ : 150,000,000


If there weren't these numbers, what'd be yours?

Goku (beginning of DB) : 20
Tsuru-sennin : 95
Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) : 60
Roshi (22nd Budokai) : 109
Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) : 118
Goku (22nd Budokai) : 120
Karin-sama : 115
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai : 150
Kami-sama : 300
Piccolo Daimao (youth restored) : 200
Chaozu (Saiyan saga) : 1,000
Goku (23rd Budokai) : 375
Yajirobe (Saiyan saga) : 600
Mr. Popo : 270
Yamcha (Saiyan saga) : 1,300
Kuririn (Saiyan saga) : 1,500
Tenshinhan (Saiyan saga) : 1,800
Piccolo (Saiyan saga) : 3,000
Nappa : 7,600
Goku (post Kaio training) : 8,000
Kuririn (vs Ginyus) : 13,000
Gohan (vs Ginyus) : 14,000
Dodoria : 22,000
Zarbon : 23,000
Vegeta (vs Ginyus) : 30,000
Kuririn (Freeza saga) : 13,000
Gohan (Freeza saga) : 280,000
Vegeta (Freeza saga) : 500,000
Goku (vs Freeza) : 5,000,000
Freeza (100%) : 200,000,000
Goku SSJ : 250,000,000

[ZombieVito]

Okay. Thanks dbgtFO and Kaboom.

What power levels given in the guidebooks do you disagree with? How would you re-write them? That's the power levels given, as far as I'm aware:

Goku (beginning of DB) : 10
Tsuru-sennin : 120
Chi-Chi (23rd Budokai) : 130
Roshi (22nd Budokai) : 139
Tenshinhan (22nd Budokai) : 180
Goku (22nd Budokai) : 180
Karin-sama : 190
Cyborg Tao Pai Pai : 210
Kami-sama : 220
Piccolo Daimao (youth restored) : 260
Chaozu (Saiyan saga) : 610
Goku (23rd Budokai) : 910
Yajirobe (Saiyan saga) : 970
Mr. Popo : 1,030
Yamcha (Saiyan saga) : 1,480
Kuririn (Saiyan saga) : 1,770
Tenshinhan (Saiyan saga) : 1,830
Piccolo (Saiyan saga) : 3,500
Nappa : 4,000
Goku (post Kaio training) : 8,000
Kuririn (vs Ginyus) : 13,000
Gohan (vs Ginyus) : 14,000
Dodoria : 22,000
Zarbon : 23,000
Vegeta (vs Ginyus) : 30,000
Kuririn (Freeza saga) : 75,000
Gohan (Freeza saga) : 200,000
Vegeta (Freeza saga) : 250,000
Goku (vs Freeza) : 3,000,000
Freeza (100%) : 120,000,000
Goku SSJ : 150,000,000


If there weren't these numbers, what'd be yours?

The only one I have a problem with is God's 220. That's the only one I ignore.

[ekrolo2]

I'd either knock Piccolo down a bit or bump Nappa up. A mere 500 PL difference is too minuscule even for DB standards for Nappa to kick his ass so easily. I'd probably put Piccolo at 2,000-2,500 or Nappa at 6,000-7,000.

I'd make Vegeta closer to Freeza's PL during their initial struggle in his first form, so about 450,000-500,000. I'd also bump Krillin to, at least, Ginyu's level during the Freeza fight. I'd also have Goku & Freeza's initial strengths anywhere between 4-6 million. As it stands, a mere 20% difference is all that lets Goku take on Freeza while Vegeta got wrecked.

[Blackstripe]

Hasn't anyone attempted the Future Trunks Arc yet? What's wrong? You guys are acting like it's difficult to powerscale or something!