Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[HeroR]

Doesn't matter, if Gohan just finished Buu off instead of letting him absorb Gotenks like a moron he could have won that fight easily. And Vegeta is a joke too.

Gohan killing Super Buu when he was weaker doesn't connect to him being beating by Buu after absorbing Gotenks, who could have beating everyone outside of Vegetto. Why don't you just say everyone in Dragon Ball is a joke since each of them played the jobber as one point.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Doesn't matter, if Gohan just finished Buu off instead of letting him absorb Gotenks like a moron he could have won that fight easily. And Vegeta is a joke too.

Gohan killing Super Buu when he was weaker doesn't connect to him being beating by Buu after absorbing Gotenks, who could have beating everyone outside of Vegetto. Why don't you just say everyone in Dragon Ball is a joke since each of them played the jobber as one point.

The difference is that Gohan lost because of his own hubris, if he tried he could have won easily which is why he's considered such a jobber. Goku on the other hand is a really cool guy.

[Bullza]

I don't think people hate Gohan. I think people hate what they did to Gohan because people did like him.

[HeroR]

The difference is that Gohan lost because of his own hubris, if he tried he could have won easily which is why he's considered such a jobber. Goku on the other hand is a really cool guy.

That is like the entire cast. Goku himself lost several times because of hubris. And no amount of trying was going to make Gohan win against Buu after he absorbed Gotenks outside of waiting for the timer to run out.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The difference is that Gohan lost because of his own hubris, if he tried he could have won easily which is why he's considered such a jobber. Goku on the other hand is a really cool guy.

That is like the entire cast. Goku himself lost several times because of hubris. And no amount of trying was going to make Gohan win against Buu after he absorbed Gotenks outside of waiting for the timer to run out.

Which he could have done. And Gohan could have defeated Buu before he had the chance to absorb Gotenks. And when has Goku lost due to hubris?

[HeroR]

Which he could have done. And Gohan could have defeated Buu before he had the chance to absorb Gotenks. And when has Goku lost due to hubris?

He tried. Buu saw through it and said he would just blow up the planet.

As for Goku's hubris, one is recently when he dropped his guard after he thought he defeated Golden Freeza and got laser. Whis even said Goku has a bad habit of being overconfident and relaxing too much. In Z, that's also how he got his body taken by Ginyu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Which he could have done. And Gohan could have defeated Buu before he had the chance to absorb Gotenks. And when has Goku lost due to hubris?

He tried. Buu saw through it and said he would just blow up the planet.

As for Goku's hubris, one is recently when he dropped his guard after he thought he defeated Golden Freeza and got laser. Whis even said Goku has a bad habit of being overconfident and relaxing too much. In Z, that's also how he got his body taken by Ginyu.

But he had defeated Golden Frieza, it was a dirty trick from Sorbet that got him. And there was no way for him to anticipate Ginyu having that ability and at that time he was trying to convince Ginyu to leave peacefully so he wouldn't have to hurt him.

[HeroR]

But he had defeated Golden Frieza, it was a dirty trick from Sorbet that got him. And there was no way for him to anticipate Ginyu having that ability and at that time he was trying to convince Ginyu to leave peacefully so he wouldn't have to hurt him.

It's a life and death battle. There's no such thing as a dirty trick. Goku's hubris caused him to drop his guard so much that a common laser nearly killed him. Goku has no excuse.

Just like Gohan couldn't have known that Buu could absorb people, right? Just like Freeza, Goku lowered his guard, thought he had the battle in the bag and got body jacked. Wouldn't have happened if Goku just finished Ginyu off.

[TheUltimateNinja]

But he had defeated Golden Frieza, it was a dirty trick from Sorbet that got him. And there was no way for him to anticipate Ginyu having that ability and at that time he was trying to convince Ginyu to leave peacefully so he wouldn't have to hurt him.

It's a life and death battle. There's no such thing as a dirty trick. Goku's hubris caused him to drop his guard so much that a common laser nearly killed him. Goku has no excuse.

Just like Gohan couldn't have known that Buu could absorb people, right? Just like Freeza, Goku lowered his guard, thought he had the battle in the bag and got body jacked. Wouldn't have happened if Goku just finished Ginyu off.

The difference is Goku wanted Ginyu to leave peacefully whereas Gohan wanted to kill Buu. And Gohan should have realized something was up when Buu came back all confident and requested to fight Gotenks.

[HeroR]

The difference is Goku wanted Ginyu to leave peacefully whereas Gohan wanted to kill Buu. And Gohan should have realized something was up when Buu came back all confident and requested to fight Gotenks.

Goku should have realized the same with Ginyu. He went from freaking out about Goku's power to laughing and injuring himself. That should have risen some red flags.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The difference is Goku wanted Ginyu to leave peacefully whereas Gohan wanted to kill Buu. And Gohan should have realized something was up when Buu came back all confident and requested to fight Gotenks.

Goku should have realized the same with Ginyu. He went from freaking out about Goku's power to laughing and injuring himself. That should have risen some red flags.

Goku did realize Ginyu was doing something weird, but by then it was too late and he could do nothing. Gohan on the other hand could have refused Buu's demand to fight Gotenks and Buu would have been fucked because that was his only chance.

[ekrolo2]

Goku did realize Ginyu was doing something weird, but by then it was too late and he could do nothing. Gohan on the other hand could have refused Buu's demand to fight Gotenks and Buu would have been fucked because that was his only chance.

Goku also assuming that this guy was going to switch bodies with him is a total stretch as the weirdest thing he's seen is probably Piccolo ripping then growing his arm back. There's no basis for the character to assume such a bizarre and fairly unique attack because Ginyu hurt himself.

[HeroR]

Goku did realize Ginyu was doing something weird, but by then it was too late and he could do nothing. Gohan on the other hand could have refused Buu's demand to fight Gotenks and Buu would have been fucked because that was his only chance.

Goku could have easily taken Ginyu out the moment he realized Ginyu was acting crazy. He didn't and stood by and watched.

Gohan messed up, but his mistake was no worse than the hubris of several other characters, which includes Goku.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku did realize Ginyu was doing something weird, but by then it was too late and he could do nothing. Gohan on the other hand could have refused Buu's demand to fight Gotenks and Buu would have been fucked because that was his only chance.

Goku could have easily taken Ginyu out the moment he realized Ginyu was acting crazy. He didn't and stood by and watched.

Gohan messed up, but his mistake was no worse than the hubris of several other characters, which includes Goku.

Ginyu was acting nuts and just put a hole in his chest, for all Goku knew he might kill himself right there. It'd be totally bizarre for Goku to straight up kill a guy while he's seemingly in the middle of a mental breakdown, it's completely against his kindhearted nature. And there was no way for Goku to predict Ginyu having a body change up his sleeve of all things, and that's pretty much the only thing that could actually do anything to Goku as literally anything else Ginyu could have tried in that situation would have done nothing.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

To go all the way back to the start. Are we really expected to believe that Goku surpassed Gohan at the start of Super?

Vegeta reached post-SSG Goku's level after training for 6 months, and Piccolo reached Ultimate Gohan's level after training for a year, and you find this hard to believe?

[Bullza]

New episode.

- Goku seemed to overpower Zamasu on his own. Don't know why because Zamasu seemed to put more power into it so he kinda dished out more power than Vegeta and Trunks did.

- Goku used Kaioken, I expect just the ordinary times two Kaioken and kicked Zamasu away.

- Zamasu seemed to power up afterward by doing something. He fought against Vegito and was able to hold his own. It wasn't a Vegito vs Buu stomping but he was definitley weaker.

- He then powered up more but he lost speed and Vegito was still stronger.

- They defuse and go back to base form and get punched and somehow they still survive.

- Trunks did whatever he did with his sword that turned it yellow and allowed it to stand up to Zamasu. It just looked like he put his own power into it so I don't know why that would be enough.

- Then he does some Spirit Bomb thing with the sword? Did his sword have the power of a Spirit Bomb itself? How did a Spirit Bomb from a ruined world with most of the people dead in it have enough power to kill Zamasu when it could barely finish off Saiyan saga Vegeta? I guess 90% of that power came from Trunks, Vegeta and Goku.

And that's it. Is Zamasu stronger than Beerus? i don't know anymore. He did take base Goku and Vegeta out with a single punch and Beerus did not when he fought base Goku a while back and was supposed to be getting into it but he wasn't at full power probably so hard to say.

[GodVegetto91]

This was the worst episode ever when it comes to powerscaling and consistency.!
Apparantly if we are to believe the episodes feats.. Future Trunks>SSJ Blue Vegetto

Let that sink in..

And somehow they expect us to take all that? Fan service up my ass! I don't care about that. I don't care for the idea that you make F Trunks relevant.. No! I only care about consistency in power scaling. Is that so hard to understand Toriyama!??? Is it so hard to keep things consistent? I bet even a 5 year old, would make a better story when it comes to powerlevels.

[Lord Beerus]

Vegetto fans must be losing it right now.

[Cetra]

This was the worst episode ever when it comes to powerscaling and consistency.!
Apparantly if we are to believe the episodes feats.. Future Trunks>SSJ Blue Vegetto

Let that sink in..

And somehow they expect us to take all that? Fan service up my ass! I don't care about that. I don't care for the idea that you make F Trunks relevant.. No! I only care about consistency in power scaling. Is that so hard to understand Toriyama!??? Is it so hard to keep things consistent? I bet even a 5 year old, would make a better story when it comes to powerlevels.

I don't know what your problem is with that. He used a Genki Dama/Genki Dama equivalent. The show never actually showed him being stronger than Vegetto.

[Beyond]

They should just make everyone OP as hell. It's stupid but the potential for great fight increases dramatically.