Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Discussion specifically regarding the "Dragon Ball Super" TV series premiering July 2015 in Japan, including individual threads for each episode.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:58 pm

Apparantly if we are to believe the episodes feats.. Future Trunks>SSJ Blue Vegetto
I wouldn't say that. Vegito was kinda overwhelming Zamasu especially after he bulked up and lost speed. That loss in speed is probably why Trunks was able to get some hits in but he was still struggling and got knocked down.

It would be the power of the Spirit Bomb/Sword that would be above SSJB Vegito rather than Trunks himself.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by MagmonKai » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:17 pm

Zeno > God Trunks > Beerus > Vegito > Zamasu > Everyone else.


That's what the writers of the show want us to believe right now. I'm so fucking pissed.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by amuroray » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:24 pm

Like i said earlier on in this thread. none of this shit makes any sense.

Its literally a joke. what a waste of a series.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Faisal Shourov » Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:53 pm

amuroray wrote:Like i said earlier on in this thread. none of this shit makes any sense.

Its literally a joke. what a waste of a series.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:03 pm

It's not like it was that confusing, the only thing that didn't really make sense in any kind of significant way was Goku overpowering Zamasu at the start. If Goku can overpower him then why can't Trunks with power from Goku and Vegeta do what he did?

Seeing the Youtube comments there's also people who have this idea that Trunks is stronger than Vegito. No idea why. People always have to jump the gun on everything.

If Goku or Vegeta had that same Spirit Sword then they would have also killed Zamasu just the same.

Spirit Sword > Vegito > Trunks

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Marlowe89 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:04 pm

Well, if nothing else, this episode was consistent with the fact that Genki Dama > everything.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by amuroray » Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:22 pm

Faisal Shourov wrote:
amuroray wrote:Like i said earlier on in this thread. none of this shit makes any sense.

Its literally a joke. what a waste of a series.
I laugh when people say Dragon Ball is the best anime series ever

Aha it really is laughable. Its a very poor series. I only liked it as a kid and watch on and off because of nostalgia

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by SansrivaaL » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:14 pm

How I took it was basically
SSJB Vegito>Merged Zamasu>SSJBKK Goku>Super Trunks (absorbed spirit bomb and Goku+Vegeta's ki) >FPSSJB Goku>Super Trunks>SSJB Vegeta.
What pisses me off is why the fck did Goku not go KK when Black and Zamasu was mocking him on how his family got killed, if he went SSJBKK then it would have been done there and then.
There's a lot of reasons as to how Trunks was able to keep up, Vegito drained Zamasu and Zamasu went bulk form sacrificing his speed.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:15 pm

So, Trunks did a Genki Dama-type technique by accident & became stronger than SSB Vegetto? :eh:
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Sora Saiyan » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:23 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:So, Trunks did a Genki Dama-type technique by accident & became stronger than SSB Vegetto? :eh:
I wouldn't say Trunks was stronger, just the sword had more attack potency. If you gave Vegetto the exact same sword it would've been over immediately against the Zamasu Trunks defeated.
Trunks still had to tussle with that Zamasu a little even post Goku, Vegeta Ki absorption and Genki Dama absorption, but Vegetto was thrashing that same Zamasu. Then there's always the chance that Vegetto weakened him even more when he was beating on him.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:36 pm

So apparently, Future Trunks could sense SSJB Vegetto's power.

Seems like that Raging Transformation did take him to God tier, since he can sense Godly ki.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Marlowe89 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:44 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:So apparently, Future Trunks could sense SSJB Vegetto's power.

Seems like that Raging Transformation did take him to God tier, since he can sense Godly ki.
Yeah, that was one of the more definitive tidbits in the episode. Trunks couldn't sense God ki as of Episode 54, but now that he's able to, that should be an official acknowledgment that he's reached God tier since returning to the future at some point. I'll assume that's thanks to his new form.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:40 am

Maybe Vegito and Zamasu or maybe just Zamasu aren't as strong as we initially thought.

Zamasu was overpowered by just Goku (somehow), definitely seemed like he could be weaker than Goku using the Kaioken so he wouldn't even be twice as strong as Goku which would make sense.

I think he did power up after that but I'm not certain. He must have grown stronger get when he bulked up, Vegito doesn't actually comment on his speed falling though so either he started fighting seriously or he did slow down.

So if he didn't power up too drastically and he was weakened by a good amount then I don't see a problem with a Spirit Sword with the combined power of Trunks, Vegeta, Goku and the Earth and it's people killing him.

In the last episode just the combined power of Trunks and Vegeta overpowered him afterall.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Noah » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:30 am

I'll credit you guys with persistance for still trying to reason something about power levels after an episode like this
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by HeroR » Sun Nov 13, 2016 1:51 am

GodVegetto91 wrote:This was the worst episode ever when it comes to powerscaling and consistency.!
Apparantly if we are to believe the episodes feats.. Future Trunks>SSJ Blue Vegetto

Let that sink in..

And somehow they expect us to take all that? Fan service up my ass! I don't care about that. I don't care for the idea that you make F Trunks relevant.. No! I only care about consistency in power scaling. Is that so hard to understand Toriyama!??? Is it so hard to keep things consistent? I bet even a 5 year old, would make a better story when it comes to powerlevels.
Merged Zamasu was weakened from fighting Vegetto. I thought that was apparent.

Also, I think it's more Vegetto >= to Merged Zamasu. Vegtto was shown to be slightly stronger, but not overwhelming so.
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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by SansrivaaL » Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:17 am

It looked one sided to me, Vegito was fcking Merged Zamasu up in more ways than one. Sure Zamasu landed some fair hits here and there, but Vegito took it like it was nothing, he was mocking Zamasu the whole time. Zamasu feels pain now because Goku's body is in him, Vegito noticed this and he was just about to deal the final blow till plot entered and fcked him up, Trunks needed the energy of almost everyone to cut Zamasu. Honestly people are just pissed atm to think about powerlevels now, when ya'll calm down you'll see it was clear who's stronger, what fcked me up was Goku tho, dude got pissed but didnt go SSJBKK against Black when he was mocked of his families murder., thats some sick shiz.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:48 am

So here's something to ponder.

If Merged Zamasu (at first) was stronger than SSJB Goku Kaioken x10 from the Universe 6 saga and in this episode SSJB Goku using Kaioken x2 was stronger than Merged Zamasu...does that mean that Goku got like half a dozen or more fold stronger since the Universe 6 saga?

To put it in numbers for simplicity

SSJB Goku Kaioken x2 (Black) - 12
Merged Zamasu - 11
SSJB Goku Kaioken x10 (U6) - 10
SSJB Goku (Black) - 6
SSJB Goku (U6) - 1

It'd make sense to me also with Vegeta and Trunks both individually being around a 6 as well, combined being like a 12 hence why they overpowered Zamasu.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by worrior_v1 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:01 am

To be completely honest, I feel as if Beerus is still stronger then SSB Vegtio and merged Zamazu after this episode- purely based upon feats shown.

Man, we are in for some amazing episodes coming up.

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Sora Saiyan » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:17 am

Bullza wrote:So here's something to ponder.

If Merged Zamasu (at first) was stronger than SSJB Goku Kaioken x10 from the Universe 6 saga and in this episode SSJB Goku using Kaioken x2 was stronger than Merged Zamasu...does that mean that Goku got like half a dozen or more fold stronger since the Universe 6 saga?

To put it in numbers for simplicity

SSJB Goku Kaioken x2 (Black) - 12
Merged Zamasu - 11
SSJB Goku Kaioken x10 (U6) - 10
SSJB Goku (Black) - 6
SSJB Goku (U6) - 1

It'd make sense to me also with Vegeta and Trunks both individually being around a 6 as well, combined being like a 12 hence why they overpowered Zamasu.
We know Vegetto is above KK Goku, since after KK Gowasu said we'll need more power than before to take advantage. So I'd say merged Zamasu also has to be above Goku. For me, merged Zamasu was caught off guard, like every villain when Goku uses KK. Also to put that Goku above Zamasu I would need some comment from the characters, especially after all the hype about Zamasus power last episode.

The anime is still so annoying when it comes to power scaling, everything needs to be picked apart and assumptions need to be made, but even then it's filled with PIS/CIS... Goku not using KK at all in this arc is a perfect example of this really, but since it's not a Toriyama thing (unless he intended for it to be used in this arc, and Toei used it earlier) it becomes a huge issue that contantly backs them into a corner.

I mainly wait for the manga as that makes so much more sense!

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Re: Dragon Ball Super: Power Level Discussion Thread

Post by Bullza » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:39 am

We know Vegetto is above KK Goku, since after KK Gowasu said we'll need more power than before to take advantage. So I'd say merged Zamasu also has to be above Goku.
He could be stronger but one kick did a real number on him, it shattered his halo afterall. Zamasu did look as though he powered up even further after this though as he grew that gorilla arm, so perhaps at that point Kaioken wouldn't have been enough plus he can't keep it up for long anyway.

On another note as for Goku overpowering Zamasu's energy alone whereas it took Vegeta and Trunks to do the same, well I see now that he had to dish out enough power that it practically crippled his arms so I can understand it, I guess.

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