Potara Earrings (DBS Spoilers)

[Dbzfan94]

So in the Buu Saga, Vegetto defused because of the "bad air" inside Buu, but in newest episode Vegetto unfused because of the Potara earrings just having that effect on non Supreme Kais. I personally think the latter makes more sense but used horribly.

Thoughts?

[YonedgeHP]

I do not like the idea, but it worked well, I didn't even want to see Vegetto beating the villain on duty for the fourth time. Then yes, we all expected more, but it would really be very forced.

[nite_jay]

So in the Buu Saga, Vegetto defused because of the "bad air" inside Buu, but in newest episode Vegetto unfused because of the Potara earrings just having that effect on non Supreme Kais. I personally think the latter makes more sense but used horribly.

Thoughts?

I agree with this.

I feel like the only way to reason with the retcon is to say something like "Old Kaioshin was just being old and forgetful".

[Dbzfan94]

I do not like the idea, but it worked well, I didn't even want to see Vegetto beating the villain on duty for the fourth time. Then yes, we all expected more, but it would really be very forced.

Vegetto never beat a villain

[Kamiccolo9]

Y'know, marking something "spoilers" doesn't really work when the title itself is a spoiler.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I really like this idea. I mean, it was obviously made up on the spot, but spot-checking the Boo Arc, there are no hard contradictions to it anywhere. Nothing that can't be explained away, anyhow.

[Steven Bloodriver]

So in the Buu Saga, Vegetto defused because of the "bad air" inside Buu, but in newest episode Vegetto unfused because of the Potara earrings just having that effect on non Supreme Kais. I personally think the latter makes more sense but used horribly.

Thoughts?

Yet another reason why I hate Dragon Ball Super, they just love ducking the hell out of us for no good reason other than just making a hefty profit...

[Chuquita]

I'm ok with it. Means we could potentially have Vegetto show up again in future arcs.

It'd take a more personal retcon to upset me.

[precita]

I guess Vegito really did fight Buu for 1 hour back in DBZ. Considering how much he toyed around with him, and also in the anime stayed in his base form with black hair before even powering up to Super Saiyan, it makes sense.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I guess Vegito really did fight Buu for 1 hour back in DBZ. Considering how much he toyed around with him, and also in the anime stayed in his base form with black hair before even powering up to Super Saiyan, it makes sense.

The "one hour" thing makes more sense in the anime. The manga fight was portrayed as being much shorter.

[Kaboom]

Unless we get direct confirmation that this was Toriyama's idea, then I'm going to consider it yet another Super-ism and ignore it in the context of everything else, of course. Especially the original manga. Super doesn't come close to deserving to retcon things in that.

Even if Old Kaioshin didn't know this bit about the Potara because mortals had never used them before in Universe 7, or something like that... it's still WAY too evident that something about Majin Boo's physiology caused the split, since it happened to occur immediately after Vegetto dropped his barrier. I'll stick to the "bad air" actually being a Kaioshin/Majin magic incompatibility thing. There's good precedent for that, with Kaioshin energy being unsuitable for reinvigorating Boo and the weird effects of Boo absorbing the Kaioshin.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Unless we get direct confirmation that this was Toriyama's idea, then I'm going to consider it yet another Super-ism and ignore it in the context of everything else, of course. Especially the original manga. Super doesn't come close to deserving to retcon things in that ... I'll stick to the "bad air" actually being a Kaioshin/Majin magic incompatibility thing.

Normally, I'd be with you. But "bad air" is such a garbage excuse, I'm willing to accept the new rules into my head-canon.

[emi_b7]

Well, both things could be true. I mean, maybe Vegetto did have a time limit when fighting Buu but something inside him (bad air or whatever) caused them to split sooner. Also, remember that the "bad air" thing was Goku's guess, not something stated as fact, so there's some room to change what the mechanics of the earrings are.
I'm not a fan of this retcon but I don't see what the big deal is.

[precita]

I assume people have a problem with the retcon because it "lowers the stakes" of Vegito since now they know its not permanent and can just keep fusing over and over like Gotenks whenever they like. But that doesn't bother me at all, its not like we're going to see Vegito show up regularly.

I wouldn't be surprised if Vegito only shows up maybe 1 more time for however long Super goes on for.

[Lord Beerus]

I don't have huge issue with it. It was never established why Vegetto defused in the first place and now we have a reason. It should have been handled better, but, hey, what can you do? At least they can't abuse the Potara earrings.

[xJeffx]

I'm okay with the it. The potara earrings are still superior to the fusion dance.

[emi_b7]

I assume people have a problem with the retcon because it "lowers the stakes" of Vegito since now they know its not permanent and can just keep fusing over and over like Gotenks whenever they like. But that doesn't bother me at all, its not like we're going to see Vegito show up regularly.

But they could have fused whenever they wanted before this retcon. They just needed either the dragon balls or Buu's help to defuse.
If anything, this makes Vegito a less viable option than before, which is fine for me as I'm not a fan of fusions.

[Xeztin]

Unless we get direct confirmation that this was Toriyama's idea, then I'm going to consider it yet another Super-ism and ignore it in the context of everything else, of course. Especially the original manga. Super doesn't come close to deserving to retcon things in that.

Even if Old Kaioshin didn't know this bit about the Potara because mortals had never used them before in Universe 7, or something like that... it's still WAY too evident that something about Majin Boo's physiology caused the split, since it happened to occur immediately after Vegetto dropped his barrier. I'll stick to the "bad air" actually being a Kaioshin/Majin magic incompatibility thing. There's good precedent for that, with Kaioshin energy being unsuitable for reinvigorating Boo and the weird effects of Boo absorbing the Kaioshin.

I think I'll go with that the Old Kai didn't know because mortals never used them and that Vegito didn't run his full hour and was split. As to where in Super he either ran his full hour, or was split because of lack of energy like Herms mentioned. It does kinda leave a new opening for something that DOES cause permanent fusion upon mortals though, that creates an even stronger fusion. Perhaps a ring that goes on the finger or something from the God's of Destruction? I doubt we'll ever see a Goku/Vegeta fusion again though.

[SaiyanZ]

Horrible explanation. Kibito and Kaioshin were fused for years and Kibito wasn't a Kaioshin. Same with the witch Old Kaioshin fused with (though I don't remember if she was in the manga) that gave him his unlocking abilities for fighters' potential. Also, if it wasn't permanent, then what was the point of Goku asking Old Kaioshin if they should fuse as Super Saiyans? How does Gowasu know more than Old Kaioshin? I strongly believe this is a Toei only thing. That just made me realize, having both Potara on each ear (meaning that one is a Kaioshin) conflicts with Kibito doing the same.

I also don't think Vegetto defused because of "bad air", I think Goku was just guessing when he said that. I think he defused because Kaioshin and Majin energy don't mix (which is why Dabra said they couldn't use Kaioshin's or Kibitio's ki to revive Buu when he was in his ball, and why I think at least Fat Kaioshin weakened Buu when he absorbed him).

[Jinzoningen MULE]

It's a retcon, it doesn't line up perfectly. We understand this.