Name some great moments in this arc

[kinisking]

Are we seriously going to act like this entire arc was bad because of just one episode? I know a fact that you guys liked the majority of of this arc, and I constantly saw the excitement each week as you guys experienced it. Is one episode really going to ruin that for you? Can each of us mention a great moment from this arc? I'll start first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfZQcsxj9s
Goku Black's entrance was genuinely amazing. The action is not only well animated, but also shows a sense of desperation dragonball hadn't had in a while. Him arriving within a tornado as flames surrounded was honestly the most visually interesting reveal of a villian in all of dragonball imo.

[fadeddreams5]

This episode not only ruined this arc, it ruined my life too!!

[precita]

But I thought the episode was great. The people bashing it are either:

1) Upset Vegito fanboys who feel he didn't get enough focus

2) People who see Trunks as a Mary Sue, completely overlooking the fact that Vegito tired Zamasu out, then Goku/Vegeta channeled their energy to Trunks as well as the planet, then Trunks used his power to finish him off.



Don't go to reddit, youtube, twitter, or any other Dragonball related forum. People there are having mental breakdowns.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

But I thought the episode was great. The people bashing it are either:

1) Upset Vegito fanboys who feel he didn't get enough focus

2) People who see Trunks as a Mary Sue, completely overlooking the fact that Vegito tired Zamasu out, then Goku/Vegeta channeled their energy to Trunks as well as the planet, then Trunks used his power to finish him off.



Don't go to reddit, youtube, twitter, or any other Dragonball related forum. People there are having mental breakdowns.

Really? Man here I thought Kanzenshuu people were going way to over the top and reactionary, shudders to think what those are like.

I enjoyed this episode greatly too but if others didn't and it ruined the arc for them, it's a shame but to each their own. I do think a lot of this is reactionary this is far from the worse thing that has happened in Drgaon Ball, once the dust settles I wouldn't be surprised if folks start changing their minds on a few things.

[Araki]

But I thought the episode was great. The people bashing it are either:

1) Upset Vegito fanboys who feel he didn't get enough focus

2) People who see Trunks as a Mary Sue, completely overlooking the fact that Vegito tired Zamasu out, then Goku/Vegeta channeled their energy to Trunks as well as the planet, then Trunks used his power to finish him off.

Exactly. It was not only clearly stated by the kaioshins that Zamasu was weakened and had lost it already, if one's paying attention, he was going through a beatdown when the fusion ended. He wasn't an opponent to Vegetto anymore, and lucked out. Even so, Goku and Vegeta had to borrow Trunks their ki.
I think the fact this episode was easily the most well done in the entire franchise makes some of those nostalgia fanboys feel threatened and confused, lol. It's really funny.

It was a great finale to a great arc.

[ekrolo2]

Saying this one episode ruined the arc is absolutely ridiculous. The ENTIRE third act of it is what ruined this arc, everything from Episode 61 to now is total nonsense. To say I loathe almost everything in this last bit of episodes from the horrid time travel explanation to the ridiculous asspulls to the generic, Aizen-esque meltdown of Zamasu would be a huge understatement.

[Doctor.]

Saying this one episode ruined the arc is absolutely ridiculous. The ENTIRE third act of it is what ruined this arc, everything from Episode 61 to now is total nonsense. To say I loathe almost everything in this last bit of episodes from the horrid time travel explanation to the ridiculous asspulls to the generic, Aizen-esque meltdown of Zamasu would be a huge understatement.

There's always the manga.

[sintzu]

Vegeta beating Black was one of the show's best moments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nExjAegBkI

Black and Zamasu are arguably the franchise's best villains.

Yesterday's episode didn't ruin the arc for me but it changing established facts for no reason hurt it a bit for me.

[kinisking]

Saying this one episode ruined the arc is absolutely ridiculous. The ENTIRE third act of it is what ruined this arc, everything from Episode 61 to now is total nonsense. To say I loathe almost everything in this last bit of episodes from the horrid time travel explanation to the ridiculous asspulls to the generic, Aizen-esque meltdown of Zamasu would be a huge understatement.

Well, at least you've been consistent
Although these Aizen-esque meltdowns were shown in pretty much every dragonball villian.

[precita]

Saying this one episode ruined the arc is absolutely ridiculous. The ENTIRE third act of it is what ruined this arc, everything from Episode 61 to now is total nonsense. To say I loathe almost everything in this last bit of episodes from the horrid time travel explanation to the ridiculous asspulls to the generic, Aizen-esque meltdown of Zamasu would be a huge understatement.

Sounds like you just outgrew Dragonball then. I bet if this saga aired 20 years ago as part of DBZ, you would have been fine with it.

You're an adult now.

[ekrolo2]

Well, at least you've been consistent
Although these Aizen-esque meltdowns were shown in pretty much every dragonball villian.

It works for Freeza because its the first time they do it and the whole fight is kind of built around Freeza's sanity, or rather his hidden insanity, coming out to the surface. Cell flipping out was already making my eyes roll and I was thoroughly over it by the time Super Boo did the same thing. I really think Zamasu should've gone out with some Ultron-esque dignity instead, beaten physically and ideologically but not the standard "once stoic, now psychotic!" villain trope.

There's always the manga.

I don't know, if Toriyama's scripts are flexible enough for him to pull it off then it could turn out good but with Black's upcoming battle with Goku, I fear the power scaling is gonna go whack there too

[kinisking]

Well, at least you've been consistent
Although these Aizen-esque meltdowns were shown in pretty much every dragonball villian.

It works for Freeza because its the first time they do it and the whole fight is kind of built around Freeza's sanity, or rather his hidden insanity, coming out to the surface. Cell flipping out was already making my eyes roll and I was thoroughly over it by the time Super Boo did the same thing. I really think Zamasu should've gone out with some Ultron-esque dignity instead, beaten physically and ideologically but not the standard "once stoic, now psychotic!" villain trope.

There's always the manga.

I don't know, if Toriyama's scripts are flexible enough for him to pull it off then it could turn out good but with Black's upcoming battle with Goku, I fear the power scaling is gonna go whack there too

I think it works with Zamasu much more than Cell. Cell was so eager to look for a challenge yet once he gets one he breaks down. On the other hand Zamasu thought he was superior to these ningen so him breaking down from losing makes a lot of sense.

[Bansho64]

Sounds like you just outgrew Dragonball then. I bet if this saga aired 20 years ago as part of DBZ, you would have been fine with it.

You're an adult now.

Why does his age have anything to do with this? This whole post has no basis behind it whatsoever. Is it really that hard to believe that he doesn't like the arc and has legitimate reasoning not to?

[phattangent]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. The events from the most recent episode should come as no surprise to anyone who has been watching the entire arc. Contrived? Yes... Out of nowhere? No way. Not only does this not ruin the show, it shows that Toriyama and Toei had a plan, stuck to their guns, and followed through... all the while adding in tidbits that explain earlier inconsistencies. As a Dragon Ball fan, this episode made me happy.

[sangofe]

Are we seriously going to act like this entire arc was bad because of just one episode? I know a fact that you guys liked the majority of of this arc, and I constantly saw the excitement each week as you guys experienced it. Is one episode really going to ruin that for you? Can each of us mention a great moment from this arc? I'll start first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfZQcsxj9s
Goku Black's entrance was genuinely amazing. The action is not only well animated, but also shows a sense of desperation dragonball hadn't had in a while. Him arriving within a tornado as flames surrounded was honestly the most visually interesting reveal of a villian in all of dragonball imo.

What? Many people didn't like ep 66? I thought episode 66 was BRILLIANT. The animation was AMAZING. Almost everything in this arc has been brilliant. There's too much great to mention. But I can start by mentioning the Trunks and Goku vs Zamasu and Black combo fight.

Chibi Goku waking up Future Trunks.

All of Goku vs Black fights.

Vegeta vs Black.

Vegetto vs Black, Trunks vs Black.

I can't think of much that's been bad. Except I guess the first Goku vs Zamasu fight.

[Bullza]

I thought it was a great episode. Lot of action, great animation, Vegito and Trunks beating a big bad, another character beating a main villain something that people had always mentioned that they wanted to see.

And yet despite all that people are whinging because they retconned the rule of potara fusion....who gives a shit? It was never even explained in the manga, Elder Kai said they'd never defuse and yet they defused anyway without explanation. Well now we know why and we know Elder Kai was simply wrong in what he said, big deal. It's a trivial detail that never mattered back then either.

[Doctor.]

I thought it was a great episode. Lot of action, great animation, Vegito and Trunks beating a big bad, another character beating a main villain something that people had always mentioned that they wanted to see.

And yet despite all that people are whinging because they retconned the rule of potara fusion....who gives a shit? It was never even explained in the manga, Elder Kai said they'd never defuse and yet they defused anyway without explanation. Well now we know why and we know Elder Kai was simply wrong in what he said, big deal. It's a trivial detail that never mattered back then either.

How can people miss the point so badly?

The complaints aren't about the Potara. That's not the main issue here. The main issue is the Genkidama pulled out of Trunks' ass.

[sintzu]

All the while adding in tidbits that explain earlier inconsistencies.

I guess defusing due to a time limit is better than Buu's "bad air".

[DragonHermit]

Apart from Trunks Norris, this episode was pretty good. I'd give it 4.5/5. People need to stop complaining about Potara. No it wasn't a retcon.

[fadeddreams5]

Saying this one episode ruined the arc is absolutely ridiculous. The ENTIRE third act of it is what ruined this arc, everything from Episode 61 to now is total nonsense. To say I loathe almost everything in this last bit of episodes from the horrid time travel explanation to the ridiculous asspulls to the generic, Aizen-esque meltdown of Zamasu would be a huge understatement.

Sounds like you just outgrew Dragonball then. I bet if this saga aired 20 years ago as part of DBZ, you would have been fine with it.

You're an adult now.

He outgrew DBZ cause he thinks 6 episodes from this arc made everything go downhill?

The arc was enjoyable to me. The fact that I looked forward to new episodes was a testament to that, considering I pretty much gave up on this show when the F arc began, and only watched clips up until this arc. That said, the inconsistencies and unexplained asspulls were extremely irritating and forced me to stop comparing this to DBZ altogether. You really need to shut off your brain and accept it for what it is, over what it's a successor to cause that can really ruin your experience.

As I mentioned before, this was a fun arc, but I feel if this was created and drawn by Toriyama himself (with the help of editors) after the Cell saga, replaced the Buu one, and was fleshed out into a more linear "saga," it would have been soooo much better. Possibly the best story in the entire franchise.

Oh, and if the Buu one was created nowadays, I'd probably hate it.