Name some great moments in this arc

[Bullza]

I thought it was a great episode. Lot of action, great animation, Vegito and Trunks beating a big bad, another character beating a main villain something that people had always mentioned that they wanted to see.

And yet despite all that people are whinging because they retconned the rule of potara fusion....who gives a shit? It was never even explained in the manga, Elder Kai said they'd never defuse and yet they defused anyway without explanation. Well now we know why and we know Elder Kai was simply wrong in what he said, big deal. It's a trivial detail that never mattered back then either.

How can people miss the point so badly?

The complaints aren't about the Potara. That's not the main issue here. The main issue is the Genkidama pulled out of Trunks' ass.

There's a lot of complaints about the Potara I'm seeing those complaints on Youtube far more than the Spirit Bomb. So he somehow unknowingly created a Spirit Bomb, again not really a big deal. I'm seeing people complain about how and when he learnt it but he didn't because he didn't even know he'd done it. How did he do it? I don't know and I don't particularly care because it was a cool scene, it was unexpected and we haven't seen it before.

People need to just enjoy things, not over analyse every detail of the show.

[phattangent]

The main issue is the Genkidama pulled out of Trunks' ass.

Like I've mentioned in other posts, I thought it was pretty clear from the episode that he pulled it from the hope and love of the people. Rewatching the arc, this whole idea that hope and love will conquer all has been shoved down our throats. The only thing they could have done to prep us more would be to make the closing credits song for the arc "Africa" by Toto.

[Doctor.]

There's a lot of complaints about the Potara I'm seeing those complaints on Youtube far more than the Spirit Bomb. So he somehow unknowingly created a Spirit Bomb, again not really a big deal. I'm seeing people complain about how and when he learnt it but he didn't because he didn't even know he'd done it. How did he do it? I don't know and I don't particularly care because it was a cool scene, it was unexpected and we haven't seen it before.

People need to just enjoy things, not over analyse every detail of the show.

Did you even read what you said? You literally just said "It doesn't make sense but I don't care because it looks cool". That's not how it works. You can ENJOY something whilst thinking it's dumb as fuck. Just don't start saying it's well-written or something just because it was cool.

[ekrolo2]

Sounds like you just outgrew Dragonball then. I bet if this saga aired 20 years ago as part of DBZ, you would have been fine with it.

You're an adult now.

You assume wrong. Firstly, I have little nostalgia for Z. Besides constant reruns of Goku vs Freeza and some of the Ginyu force stuff, Dragon Ball Z barely aired here much at all. Only the vague recollections of some crazy blond dude fighting a crazy lizard dude made me want to see what that weird show I watched for a little while was even about, it was only then, well into my teens that I even figured out what Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z is even about.

Secondly, you may be right but may be wrong. There's stuff I watched as a kid I will whole heartedly say is still good even now like the Cadmus arc of Justice League or most of Batman Beyond while other things I don't like much at all such as Batman TAS. However, I don't like the former two just because of nostalgia, I think they're actual good animated television that anyone can watch and like all the same.

Plus, when a series comes back, and I'm clearly total lunatic for thinking this since no one agrees with me, I'd like for the people doing it to see where things went wrong before and avoid doing them. Super isn't doing this, Super is taking EVERYTHING wrong from Z and GT, along with its own messy production and its not working as a product. At. All.

[Bullza]

Did you even read what you said? You literally just said "It doesn't make sense but I don't care because it looks cool". That's not how it works. You can ENJOY something whilst thinking it's dumb as fuck. Just don't start saying it's well-written or something just because it was cool.

I didn't say it was well written but I don't think it was dumb either. To me it was entertaining and that's all that matters. The series has had a lot of moments that haven't made much sense. We don't know how he formed the spirit bomb, in the next episode we might find out why and we might not.

Why people are focusing on that with all the other good stuff that happened in the episode makes much less sense to me than what happened in the episode.

[Avok]

It's part of a bigger problem of the franchise in general nowadays. And it's not just this episode. It's the whole arc that has power-level and scaling issues.
I wouldn't say it's ruined, because it managed to be entertaining and that's it. But whoever came up with the idea of Vegito coming up and Trunks doing that weird sword thing needs to be fired.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

My favorite moment is this entire episode from start to finish. Miki Shin'ichirou's superb voice acting, Hatano Morio's sharp direction, Shida Naotoshi's smooth, detailed animation and art, Miuma Kenji's (presumed) awesome effects animation and rotation,Trunks getting to be the hero of his own arc. It was a cool climactic battle and arguably the best episode in the franchise.

It's simple, entertainment>battle power consistency for me and this arc is loaded with entertainment, so I don't give two fucks about in-universe stuff.

[sintzu]

How can people miss the point so badly?

It's not that we missed it, we think it makes the old kai look like a complete idiot and Vegetto too similar to Gogeta.

[dbs fanboy]

I really think that some people are overexaggerating, this episode wasn't that terrible to begin with, it obviously had flaws (and i've already talked about them) but it wasn't RoF level of bad or anything like that, it even had great scenes and direction (except for some parts) so that saves it from being a good animated version of ep 64.

Well, at least people like Doctor, or ekrolo2, are actually analyzing it properly without either overhyping it or overexaggerate so.......

[Ki Breaker]

No way does this ruin this arc for me..
But I would be lying if I say this wasn't rushed..

It might be a personal problem but seeing such excellent story opportunities get thrown to the side this way makes me furious..

Keeping that aside I am positive people are going insane ( YouTube is a literal shit show right now ) because vegetto was given way less screen time, potara fusion was just changed to timed after 20 years of being permanent and trunks takes away the vegetto kill by literally ass pulling a genki dama sword without ever even seeing the technique..

Honestly I dislike the friendship doing miracles cliche a lot..
Your friend and family are nothing infornt of an immortal god, not even worth being a meat shield.. they are just that much insignificant..

It worked on rage boosts fine as long as Gohan had it , him being a potential well explains it, then they started giving it to everyone, okay I also accept that, they only used to get stronger, and not learn a technique out of thin air only a god could teach..
Only if they showed it an episode later this would have been more digestible..


Well onto what I like about this arc.. almost everything a very nice arc making super totally worth to be a successor to z in my book

[kinisking]

How can people miss the point so badly?

It's not that we missed it, we think it makes the old kai look like a complete idiot and Vegetto too similar to Gogeta.

More like how can people miss the point of this thread so badly (not counting you sintzu).

List a moment you enjoyed

[Fishman]

How can people miss the point so badly?

It's not that we missed it, we think it makes the old kai look like a complete idiot and Vegetto too similar to Gogeta.

More like how can people miss the point of this thread so badly (not counting you sintzu).

List a moment you enjoyed

My favorite moment of the episode was when it was over. The only way Super can top this is by ending.

[Boo Machine]

I'd be lying if I said i wasn't a bit disappointed in this episode. But I still enjoyed it a great deal.

My favorite moments are pretty much anything with Black. I just love the dude so much.

His first fight with Goku

His transformation into SSJ rose

Him falling on his ass because of a sniper bullet.

All good times.

Sad to see him go

[Mazingerdestro]

Wait there were people who didn't like this episode?
Really guys? Who? Why?

[Mazingerdestro]

Saying this one episode ruined the arc is absolutely ridiculous. The ENTIRE third act of it is what ruined this arc, everything from Episode 61 to now is total nonsense. To say I loathe almost everything in this last bit of episodes from the horrid time travel explanation to the ridiculous asspulls to the generic, Aizen-esque meltdown of Zamasu would be a huge understatement.

Sounds like you just outgrew Dragonball then. I bet if this saga aired 20 years ago as part of DBZ, you would have been fine with it.

You're an adult now.

No that's not accurate. I am an adult and I had no issue with the episode. Additionally none of the over 18 people in my forum had an issue with the episode.
Most of the complains came from children that wanted more Vegetto or complain about nonsense. However, saying "I want more" or just complaining for silly stuff doesn't mean you didn't enjoy something. Yes I understand the nowadays mentality "everything is awful in animation unless you talk about OPM" but really? There are people who didn't enjoy it?
There are really people complaining?

[Dbzfan94]

No that's not accurate. I am an adult and I had no issue with the episode. Additionally none of the over 18 people in my forum had an issue with the episode.
Most of the complains came from children that wanted more Vegetto or complain about nonsense. However, saying "I want more" or just complaining for silly stuff doesn't mean you didn't enjoy something. Yes I understand the nowadays mentality "everything is awful in animation unless you talk about OPM" but really? There are people who didn't enjoy it?
There are really people complaining?

Calling everyone who didn't like the episode or had problems with it "children" is actually an extremely childish argument.

[Mazingerdestro]

No that's not accurate. I am an adult and I had no issue with the episode. Additionally none of the over 18 people in my forum had an issue with the episode.
Most of the complains came from children that wanted more Vegetto or complain about nonsense. However, saying "I want more" or just complaining for silly stuff doesn't mean you didn't enjoy something. Yes I understand the nowadays mentality "everything is awful in animation unless you talk about OPM" but really? There are people who didn't enjoy it?
There are really people complaining?

Calling everyone who didn't like the episode or had problems with it "children" is actually an extremely childish argument.

"Additionally none of the over 18 people in my forum had an issue with the episode. Most of the complains came from children that wanted more Vegetto or complain about nonsense"

Next time read the comment and avoid insulting others.

[namekiansaiyan]

Are we seriously going to act like this entire arc was bad because of just one episode? I know a fact that you guys liked the majority of of this arc, and I constantly saw the excitement each week as you guys experienced it. Is one episode really going to ruin that for you? Can each of us mention a great moment from this arc? I'll start first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAfZQcsxj9s
Goku Black's entrance was genuinely amazing. The action is not only well animated, but also shows a sense of desperation dragonball hadn't had in a while. Him arriving within a tornado as flames surrounded was honestly the most visually interesting reveal of a villian in all of dragonball imo.

It is actually been 20 episodes of nonsense and almost certainly going be the same in the 21st episode.

[dbs fanboy]

-The fights, overall this arc had pretty enjoyable ones except from ep 64.
-Zamasu/Black, i'm already fanboying about them in other threads, i don't need to overdo myself.
-Vegeta/Trunks/Kid Trunks moments
And more.......

[ekrolo2]

No that's not accurate. I am an adult and I had no issue with the episode. Additionally none of the over 18 people in my forum had an issue with the episode.
Most of the complains came from children that wanted more Vegetto or complain about nonsense. However, saying "I want more" or just complaining for silly stuff doesn't mean you didn't enjoy something. Yes I understand the nowadays mentality "everything is awful in animation unless you talk about OPM" but really? There are people who didn't enjoy it?
There are really people complaining?

You're also making some serious assumptions if you think the only people who can possibly dislike Super are those who hate anything that's not One Punch Man, speaking as one such person who hates Super's anime, I've only read OPM in its manga form and have only seen some clips of the anime here and there.
If cool shit happening for you is okay, then sure, enjoy the cool shit. I like for my cool shit to actually make sense too, but clearly I'm a nut job for wanting Dragon Ball to actually be good instead of occasionally entertaining trash.