Potara Earrings (DBS Spoilers)

[dbzfan7]

Oh I agree and it's why I didn't like the Dragon Balls being able to separate them as it was pointless for Kibitoshin. But as I pointed out, Vegetto unlike Kibitoshin is his own being. Kibitoshin is basically just Kaioshin absorbing Kibito. He clearly dominates the fusion. With Vegetto, he had no plans to be defused. He had his own being. He was not Goku or Vegeta. He was Vegetto. So the next best thing to making the potara unusable, is to have the being not want to separate. Think Doctor Fate and Nabu. When you wear the Helmet of Fate, Nabu takes over as Doctor Fate. Yet he may not relinquish his control over a host and keep the body. So someone else using the helmet of fate was incredibly risky. Though U7 being out of potara would be a good excuse too I guess.

Not to mention the whole thing with Boo may not be possible the same way. Whether he could use absorption or whatever, as I mean he never tries to and probably could have attempted it on Beerus, but never did. Though even if the case was yes, we still could have the big weakness being the fact Vegetto is his own being. That alone would keep the potara as special and risky to use. The Potara had meaning behind it. Now just like what Super Saiyan Blue did to Super Saiyan God, the potara are just yet another power up....that's it. Nothing special about them. They kill the fusion dances purpose, and are merely another form of strength gain with no meaning.

I think you're perhaps letting DBM's interpretation of Vegetto cloud your judgement. DB never treated fusion as something that deep, Vegetto was always just Goku and Vegeta. I'm sure, even if he didn't defuse inside Boo, he'd just find another way to defuse instead. I mean, it's possible that Vegetto would feel like he's his own entity and wouldn't want to split, but that's pretty much just headcanon.

I don't read DBM. I think it's garbage. From my recollection though that Vegetto couldn't defuse even if he wanted to. Vegetto I don't think is Goku and Vegeta in the same way Gogeta says he's not Goku or Vegeta. Neither exist when a fusion is born. Unlike the fusion of a megazord where all the parts are still there. Of course my Vegetto spiel is head canon, but it's to give the potara more purpose than generic power up 42 its become.

[theherodjl]

I don't read DBM. I think it's garbage. From my recollection though that Vegetto couldn't defuse even if he wanted to. Vegetto I don't think is Goku and Vegeta in the same way Gogeta says he's not Goku or Vegeta. Neither exist when a fusion is born. Unlike the fusion of a megazord where all the parts are still there. Of course my Vegetto spiel is head canon, but it's to give the potara more purpose than generic power up 42 its become.

I'm glad someone said it, I used to be a big fan of DBM until Salagir subtly revealed that he can't write a consistent story without special chapters giving him more time to think on it. He's just been trolling around with the latest chapters having an annoying emphasis on U16 AKA Vegetto & pals, I love how the new DB canon material throws his fan-made crap out the window while he struggles to keep DBM captivating anymore.

[rereboy]

DBM is one of the best DB fan mangas out there and is a very impressive project for an amateur project. There is no need to hate on it just because we might find aspects of it lacking or disappointing. Especially with some of the official stuff that has come out in the last years.

I used to be a big fan of DBM until Salagir subtly revealed that he can't write a consistent story without special chapters giving him more time to think on it.

What takes time is the actual drawing of the pages. The artist draws the pages on his free time and it's to give time to the artist that special chapters with other artists exist.

I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that what took time was the writing, especially when they are adapting an already written fanfic as the basis for the fan manga...

[Luso Saiyan]

Unless we get direct confirmation that this was Toriyama's idea, then I'm going to consider it yet another Super-ism and ignore it in the context of everything else, of course. Especially the original manga. Super doesn't come close to deserving to retcon things in that.

Preferences aside, I'm willing to bet stuff like this comes directly from Toriyama himself. Specially considering his latest interviews ever since Battle of Gods.

[theherodjl]

DBM is one of the best DB fan mangas out there and is a very impressive project for an amateur project. There is no need to hate on it just because we might find aspects of it lacking or disappointing. Especially with some of the official stuff that has come out in the last years.

What takes time is the actual drawing of the pages. The artist draws the pages on his free time and it's to give time to the artist that special chapters with other artists exist.

I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that what took time was the writing, especially when they are adapting an already written fanfic as the basis for the fan manga...

It has impressive art maybe...but impressive writing? Nah, more like the writing style of a series that has gone on too long, growing stale a la The Simpsons. I honestly prefer DB Super at this point to DBM because while Super may not make any great deal of sense, DBM lacks excitement due to a focus on just a few universes while shunning the potential interest in other universes and their back stories. Salagir has pretty much Toriyama'd his own comic by pushing forth the cliche favorites of the show while kicking all his other actors to the curb as not important enough, it's a pie that only gives one creative slice for what it's worth.
Its been somewhere over 8 years and it's taken that long to get to the end of the second round, I don't mind specials but Salagir has used that concept as a crutch because he lacks the creative talent to keep the story fresh.
And sure, someone might say "well why don't you make your own free comic on your own time if you think you can do better?", I'm not saying I would do any better but I'm offering a critique as someone who did enjoy it at one point. I'm seeing talent that once was but is not there because of Salagir's reasons, what ever they might be.

[rereboy]

DBM is one of the best DB fan mangas out there and is a very impressive project for an amateur project. There is no need to hate on it just because we might find aspects of it lacking or disappointing. Especially with some of the official stuff that has come out in the last years.

What takes time is the actual drawing of the pages. The artist draws the pages on his free time and it's to give time to the artist that special chapters with other artists exist.

I'm not sure how you reached the conclusion that what took time was the writing, especially when they are adapting an already written fanfic as the basis for the fan manga...

It has impressive art maybe...but impressive writing? Nah, more like the writing style of a series that has gone on too long, growing stale a la The Simpsons. I honestly prefer DB Super at this point to DBM because while Super may not make any great deal of sense, DBM lacks excitement due to a focus on just a few universes while shunning the potential interest in other universes and their back stories. Salagir has pretty much Toriyama'd his own comic by pushing forth the cliche favorites of the show while kicking all his other actors to the curb as not important enough, it's a pie that only gives one creative slice for what it's worth.
Its been somewhere over 8 years and it's taken that long to get to the end of the second round, I don't mind specials but Salagir has used that concept as a crutch because he lacks the creative talent to keep the story fresh.
And sure, someone might say "well why don't you make your own free comic on your own time if you think you can do better?", I'm not saying I would do any better but I'm offering a critique as someone who did enjoy it at one point. I'm seeing talent that once was but is not there because of Salagir's reasons, what ever they might be.

The fact that you can compare DBM to Super without it being immediatly and laughably obvious that Super is much, much superior to DBM, just shows how impressive DBM is.

DBM is just a fan manga adaptation of a fan fic, all done by a few amateur guys in their free time, with a website to host it. Once we really grasp this fact, there is no doubt that it is impressive.

Also, your criticism of taking too long has nothing to do with the actual length or quality of the fan manga because you are simply criticizing how fast they can draw new pages and release them, which is something that can't really be helped since it's done on their free time. Excluding the special chapters, DBM only has 30 chapters so far. By chapter 30 of Dragon ball, Goku was still training with Roshi, to put things into perspective.

[GTx10]

I don't know if this was brought up but the "recon" messed something else up. If I remember correctly Gowasu said only Kaioshin's remained fused forever right? Then how is Old Kai's current fused form still around? He's the product of a Kaioshin and a witch, so why hasn't his Potara Fusion wore off?
Or how about Kabito Kai? That Fusion should've wore off long ago? Or maybe it did and "young" Kaioshin never had a chance to explain that possibility?

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I don't know if this was brought up but the "recon" messed something else up. If I remember correctly Gowasu said only Kaioshin's remained fused forever right? Then how is Old Kai's current fused form still around? He's the product of a Kaioshin and a witch, so why hasn't his Potara Fusion wore off?
Or how about Kabito Kai? That Fusion should've wore off long ago? Or maybe it did and "young" Kaioshin never had a chance to explain that possibility?

Old Kaioshin is half Shinjin, Kibito-Kaioshin is a full-blooded Shinjin, Merged Zamasu is arguably either one. Gowasu didn't phrase it all that well, but having a Shinjin be a part of the merger is clearly the actual requirement for permanent fusion. Who knows why the writers didn't make that more clear?

[DBZ Macky]

My interperetation is that if even one of the fusees is a Kaioshin, then the fusion is permanent. Sure makes a lot of sense than the witch also being a Shinjin.

[GTx10]

I don't know if this was brought up but the "recon" messed something else up. If I remember correctly Gowasu said only Kaioshin's remained fused forever right? Then how is Old Kai's current fused form still around? He's the product of a Kaioshin and a witch, so why hasn't his Potara Fusion wore off?
Or how about Kabito Kai? That Fusion should've wore off long ago? Or maybe it did and "young" Kaioshin never had a chance to explain that possibility?

Old Kaioshin is half Shinjin, Kibito-Kaioshin is a full-blooded Shinjin, Merged Zamasu is arguably either one. Gowasu didn't phrase it all that well, but having a Shinjin be a part of the merger is clearly the actual requirement for permanent fusion. Who knows why the writers didn't make that more clear?

Your right. I rewatched the episode and that's certainly implied.