Dragon Fist is the ONLY technique Goku invented

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Dragon Fist is the ONLY technique Goku invented

Post by mecha3000 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:49 pm

I'm not talking about those one-off techniques that Goku displays every now and then. I'm referring to big techniques such as Kamehameha or Spirit Bomb: moves Goku inherited from his masters. As far as I know and DB Wiki states (http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_o ... techniques), Dragon Fist (Ryuken) is the only technique that Goku invented himself. However, there hasn't been a clear reason as to why or what circumstances led to Goku creating the attack.

MY HEAD-CANON THEORY: After the defeat of Buu, Goku remembers his defeat of King Piccolo (or is reminded by Piccolo himself due to Goku's forgetfulness) and decides to further develop how he defeated Piccolo into a technique. Inspired by the most recent wish to Shenron (everyone besides the Z-Fighters forgetting about Buu), Goku develops the technique and his familiarity with Shenron inspires the look of the dragon he summons when using the Dragon Fist. Goku develops this technique as a last resort that can be used on large or bulky threats (Hirudegarn, Super 17, Omega Shenron, etc). Since I do see Wrath of the Dragon and GT as canon to each other (Dragon Fist and Trunks' sword from Wrath re-appear in GT) as part of an alternate timeline separate from DB Super (since both Wrath and GT can actually fit into the canon): Goku eventually masters the technique and uses it for the first time on Hirudegarn (smiling at its success). After this, he continues to use it in GT.

I've really come to appreciate Dragon Fist since it's seemingly the only attack Goku has created on his own. So far, I'd have to say Dragon Fist and Evil Containment Wave are my favorite overall moves currently for Goku (even though Goku never got a chance to use the latter and the latter's not original to Goku). But still, Dragon Fist is an attack I wouldn't mind seeing again even though I'm content with it being exclusive to Wrath and GT. However, Final Kamehameha was made canon to DB Super so who knows?

Honestly though, I'm disappointed Goku doesn't get a chance to create his own techniques like this more often. I wouldn't mind seeing Goku create at least ONE MORE original signature move. Also, Dragon Fist isn't a one-off attack. It made its mark on the DB franchise by re-appearing in GT and in video games (even Xenoverse 2 to my knowledge). So yeah, it's a cool move in my opinion.
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Re: Dragon Fist is the ONLY technique Goku invented

Post by VegettoEX » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:06 pm

I've always thought of Goku as the come-what-may, spur of the moment, instinctual fighter. Things like "original" techniques aren't necessarily important when you're good enough to just learn, absorb, and replicate pretty much anything you see (literally from the first moment with the Kamehameha).

He's not so much the scheming, "tactical" fighter like the other characters who are doing the hard work and inventing specific, functional attacks. Perhaps that's a fault, but I definitely see it as a defining part of his character.
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Re: Dragon Fist is the ONLY technique Goku invented

Post by mecha3000 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:23 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I've always thought of Goku as the come-what-may, spur of the moment, instinctual fighter. Things like "original" techniques aren't necessarily important when you're good enough to just learn, absorb, and replicate pretty much anything you see (literally from the first moment with the Kamehameha).

He's not so much the scheming, "tactical" fighter like the other characters who are doing the hard work and inventing specific, functional attacks. Perhaps that's a fault, but I definitely see it as a defining part of his character.
I appreciate the response and definitely agree when it comes to Goku being different from the other characters because he's more about taking techniques from others and really realizing the full potential of these techniques further than what his masters could (Super Kamehameha and Super Spirit Bomb). So I guess making Goku create Dragon Fist is kind of out-of-character, but I really like it.

Perhaps it's because Naruto is another series I grew up on and many characters have techniques that they create and are unique to them - So, this makes me interested in cases where Goku's Dragon Fist technique is unique to him. But yeah, in a way - Goku is the type of character who doesn't concern himself with learning new techniques (evidenced by Piccolo calling Goku lazy when he told him he hadn't developed any new technique like Piccolo's Makakosappo/Special Beam Cannon). It's a part of his character that he humbles himself by gaining new techniques and insights from others instead of being like Piccolo or Krillin where "I created the Kienzan or Makankosappo so it's mine and it's all about me!"

Still, it's crazy how Dragon Fist is the only attack Goku can claim as an original. I never really thought about this before, but because of this: Dragon Fist has now become my favorite technique besides Kamehameha and Mafuba.

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Post by Lunatic Fringe » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:24 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I've always thought of Goku as the come-what-may, spur of the moment, instinctual fighter. Things like "original" techniques aren't necessarily important when you're good enough to just learn, absorb, and replicate pretty much anything you see (literally from the first moment with the Kamehameha).

He's not so much the scheming, "tactical" fighter like the other characters who are doing the hard work and inventing specific, functional attacks. Perhaps that's a fault, but I definitely see it as a defining part of his character.
Yeah. It's a reflection of what he's experienced as a character through all the crazy battles he's been a part of, almost like a scrapbook.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:59 pm

Well really, why would Goku invent anything? He seems to be doing just fine with the techniques passed down to him. Goku takes every technique that someone teaches him and brings it up to a point that his teachers never could. But it doesn't just stop with Goku. Gohan and Goten never created their own techniques either. Kuririn had the scatter Ki balls attack that he used against the Saibaimen and the Kienzan, Tenshinhan might have made all of his attacks, Piccolo made his own, Yamucha made his Soukidan and Rogafufu-ken, Vegeta might have made all of his attacks, and FUTURE Trunks had that technique that he used against Freeza. Though present Trunks never really made his own attack.

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Post by mecha3000 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:11 pm

All of you guys are making good points regarding why Goku would never really create his own technique. He doesn't strategically think like that. Like I said, the biggest indicator of this is when he tells Piccolo at the beginning of the Saiyan Arc that he hadn't created any new moves like Piccolo did with the Special Beam Cannon/Makankosappo.

Still, being hypothetical here without shooting me down with an answer of "Movies aren't canon. Stop looking into it too much" or "Dragon Fist only exists to impress little kids": As far as the universe of DB goes - WHY WOULD GOKU EVER WANT TO CREATE HIS OWN TECHNIQUE? Can someone find an answer that makes sense? The closest thing I have is that Goku might've created it on the spot without even knowing what he did (which shoots down the head-canon theory), which makes sense considering he does a lot of awesome stuff on the spot (reading Krillin's mind, foot Kamehameha).

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:14 pm

Honestly, it's just a powered-up flying fist. It's exactly the same attack that Goku uses against Piccolo Daimao, except while that power was exerted from Goku's Saiyan great ape, now the Super Saiyan thing overtook that. I just think it's a powered-up fist, no different than when he exerted Ki into his finger to block Trunks's sword.

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Post by mecha3000 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:03 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Honestly, it's just a powered-up flying fist. It's exactly the same attack that Goku uses against Piccolo Daimao, except while that power was exerted from Goku's Saiyan great ape, now the Super Saiyan thing overtook that. I just think it's a powered-up fist, no different than when he exerted Ki into his finger to block Trunks's sword.
Well, what about the energy dragon Goku summons that literally makes it seem like a technique he created?

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Post by Son Gara » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:45 am

Wasn't the Jan Ken fist his own technique or did Gohan teach him that? Also what about using his tail as a helicopter? He invented that in a split second to keep from going out of bounds.
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Post by LightBing » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:26 am

I would credit "Full Power Super Saiyan" to him, if you can call it a technique. Super Saiyan 3 also. Him improving/changing previous techniques could also count as something new. It's all about perspective.
If you give Goku a problem he can invent a technique to solve it. Most cases he just doesn't have time to prepare and needs to comes up with solutions on the spot.

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Post by DBZ Macky » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:57 am

What about the foot Kamehameha or the "Tsuranuke!!" attack he used against Daimao?
I would also credit him for inventing Full Power Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3.
He was also able to master the Kaioken, something no one else was able to do; he was able to make the technique his own and use it up to crazy levels like 20x while the original limit was two times!

All the above are variations of pre-existing techniques.
I'd say Goku is the type to make others' techniques his own and add his own twist to them.
He does the Kamehameha better than Kamesennin, the Kaioken better than Kaio... what reason would he have to make his own techniques?
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Post by 90sDBZ » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:41 am

Well the problem with it simply being a powered up fist is the fact that the Dragon sometimes wraps itself around the enemy and crushes them. Either way it's undeniably an awesome technique, and I liked how it sort of became SS4 Goku's signature finishing move in late GT.

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Post by Captain Strawberry » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:43 am

90sDBZ wrote:Well the problem with it simply being a powered up fist is the fact that the Dragon sometimes wraps itself around the enemy and crushes them. Either way it's undeniably an awesome technique, and I liked how it sort of became SS4 Goku's signature finishing move in late GT.
I love Dragon fist in Tenkaichi 3 when SSJ4 Goku uses it.
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Post by TheGreatness25 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:55 am

mecha3000 wrote:Well, what about the energy dragon Goku summons that literally makes it seem like a technique he created?
Aesthetic purposes, I assume. I don't think that his opponent actually sees a dragon darting at him, just like Yamucha doesn't "summon" a wolf for his Rogafufu-ken. I think that was thrown in there to make it look like more than a flying fist. "Oh, we can call it Dragon Fist!" "Looks weak." "Throw in a dragon!"

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Post by Lord Beerus » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:38 pm

Goku invented Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, and if we could filler, he also invented Super Kaioken.

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Post by Doctor. » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:40 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:Goku invented Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken, and if we could filler, he also invented Super Kaioken.
That's just him using someone else's technique more effectively. I wouldn't exactly call the feet Kamehameha or the Kamehameha he can control an "invention", either.

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Post by 90sDBZ » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:07 pm

To be fair to Goku he did come up with the idea of Mastered Super Saiyan, and that was actually something he planned and developed over a long period of time rather than a spur of the moment thing.

And now that I think about it he also invented that guided ki torpedo move he used on Frieza.

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Post by mecha3000 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:31 pm

90sDBZ wrote:To be fair to Goku he did come up with the idea of Mastered Super Saiyan, and that was actually something he planned and developed over a long period of time rather than a spur of the moment thing.

And now that I think about it he also invented that guided ki torpedo move he used on Frieza.
I'm only talking about attacks, not transformations. And the ki torpedo move is cool and all, but I'm specifically talking about iconic techniques that fans know the name of. And as far as those techniques go, Dragon Fist is the only one that has been named.

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