Is this arc really ruined?

[Soppa Saia People]

No..many are complaining because of vegetto without him there would be no hate about episode 66

Can we stop with this ?

[Yomi]

There are some reoccurring faces I see around that are never happy with anything, for 66 episodes straight.
Just the same ole same ole. I just ignore it, negativity is not uncommon on here.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Nope. I personally think this arc has been the best in Super so far. There are a lot of WTF moments, but I really enjoyed this.

[VejituhTheWarriorGuy]

Vegito's potential was utterly wasted and I strongly disliked that about the latest episode because there was no reason for Vegito to even be there. The arc is the best thing in Super so far but it has issues.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

The toys are selling like crazy, the average ratings are better than previous arcs, someone besides Son Gokuu and Vegeta got to be the hero, #66 was well animated and directed with the best staff on board, Nozawa Masako and Miki Shin'ichirou knocked it out of the park with their superb voice work, Zamasu and Gokuu Black were interesting villains.

How is it ruined? It is a success for Toei and all parties involved. I'm quite sure the target audience(kids)is happy and satisfied.

As for the fandom, when are they satisfied? Never. For me, personally the arc was loaded with entertainment and it was an enjoyable experience. I don't want anything more.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

As for the fandom, when are they satisfied? Never. For me, personally the arc was loaded with entertainment and it was an enjoyable experience. I don't want anything more.

Whether or not the fandom is satIsfied is irrelevant. In fact, the vast majority are willing to eat up whatever DBS gives them.

I want it to be enjoyable without constant inconsistencies, plot holes, retcons, etc. It's not that hard to deliver, Marvel even does it better than Dragon Ball at this point. Yes, Marvel, the universe that is literally infamous for being full of contrivances. The Walking Dead does it, and it's the most basic of the basic levels of episodic storytelling. You can enjoy it if you want, but Dragon Ball Super is not good, it's not even average.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Whether or not the fandom is satIsfied is irrelevant. In fact, the vast majority are willing to eat up whatever DBS gives them.

I want it to be enjoyable without constant inconsistencies, plot holes, retcons, etc. It's not that hard to deliver, Marvel even does it better than Dragon Ball at this point. Yes, Marvel, the universe that is literally infamous for being full of contrivances. The Walking Dead does it, and it's the most basic of the basic levels of episodic storytelling. You can enjoy it if you want, but Dragon Ball Super is not good, it's not even average.

These plotholes, retcons, battle power inconsistencies you speak of never interfere with my enjoyment.

Super is average? Agreed. Plot wise, it is no better or worse than the original series( Z included). It is an average battle shounen series with cool moments sprinkled here and there that provides entertainment to kids. That's it. That's what I've always thought Dragon Ball is. Super is doing the same and I think it is doing it successfully.

[GodVegetto91]

Yes. That little runt Trunks stealing the win from Vegetto. Vegetto defusing in less than 10 minutes. His performance wasn't as good as you'd expect, Even Goku alone was giving him a tougher fight with the Kamehameha. The Potara Fusion retcon. Both Zamasu and Vegetto got nerfed. Need i name more? It's obvious Toriyama doesn't know what the fuck he's doing anymore when you don't even know how powerful you're own characters are supposed to be. I have lost all faith in them.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Whether or not the fandom is satIsfied is irrelevant. In fact, the vast majority are willing to eat up whatever DBS gives them.

I want it to be enjoyable without constant inconsistencies, plot holes, retcons, etc. It's not that hard to deliver, Marvel even does it better than Dragon Ball at this point. Yes, Marvel, the universe that is literally infamous for being full of contrivances. The Walking Dead does it, and it's the most basic of the basic levels of episodic storytelling. You can enjoy it if you want, but Dragon Ball Super is not good, it's not even average.

These plotholes, retcons, battle power inconsistencies you speak of never interfere with my enjoyment.

Super is average? Agreed. Plot wise, it is no better or worse than the original series( Z included). It is an average battle shounen series with cool moments sprinkled here and there that provides entertainment to kids. That's it. That's what I've always thought Dragon Ball is. Super is doing the same and I think it is doing it successfully.

Keep your opinions, I'm not going to excuse mediocrity.

[Saikyo no Senshi]

Keep your opinions, I'm not going to excuse mediocrity.

Fair enough. I'm not going to expect great storytelling at a regular basis from an average battle shounen.

[dbs fanboy]

Yes. That little runt Trunks stealing the win from Vegetto. Vegetto defusing in less than 10 minutes. His performance wasn't as good as you'd expect, Even Goku alone was giving him a tougher fight with the Kamehameha. The Potara Fusion retcon. Both Zamasu and Vegetto got nerfed. Need i name more? It's obvious Toriyama doesn't know what the fuck he's doing anymore when you don't even know how powerful you're own characters are supposed to be. I have lost all faith in them.

I can get Why Do you hate the episode, but i can't see how does it make the arc terrible.

[GodVegetto91]

Yes. That little runt Trunks stealing the win from Vegetto. Vegetto defusing in less than 10 minutes. His performance wasn't as good as you'd expect, Even Goku alone was giving him a tougher fight with the Kamehameha. The Potara Fusion retcon. Both Zamasu and Vegetto got nerfed. Need i name more? It's obvious Toriyama doesn't know what the fuck he's doing anymore when you don't even know how powerful you're own characters are supposed to be. I have lost all faith in them.

I can get Why Do you hate the episode, but i can't see how does it make the arc terrible.

Well because it's more or less the climax of the arc itself. Along with the next episode. So it's regarded as the "deciding factor" but i do agree that up until the point of Zamasu's and Black's fusion this arc was amazingly well done.

[Avery]

I'm still too scared to check the rest of the internet because I just know that 90% of the fanbase complaints would boil down to "muh Vegito!". Some members here post negative yet sophisticated and interesting comments and I really wish more people put the same effort into their posts. "Fuck this and fuck that!" type of posts are getting really tiring and aren't what I would want to read on Kanzenshuu.

On a side note, I really like the way Saikyo no Senshi (and Jacob) look at things.

[Lord Beerus]

Hell no. I personally found the finale fantastic. Yes, there were some question decisions made in the latest episode in regards to the narrative, but it didn't stop it from being immensely entertaining. And that's really all I want from Dragon Ball. To be entertained. Did this arc entertain me? Fuck. Yes.

As for the fandom, when are they satisfied? Never.

Saikyo no Senshi just dropped a truth bomb.

[Kishido]

sadly it is... last episode was a to much rushed and Trunks ad his powers are cringe worthy

[fadeddreams5]

It's not ruined. The manga is ongoing. In Toyotaro, I believe.

[Razorsaw]

Nope, but it's definitely a sign that some things need to change.

Goku needs to be written more carefully. Tired of seeing him being the butt of all jokes and the focus of all the PIS. U6 arc Goku was at a nice spot, more of that please.

The writers either need to get something to do with Vegeta or retire the fuck out of that character. He is a good guy now, I get it, just do something that's interesting with him that's not ripping off EoZ Goku. Enough with the pandering. He had a good moment in the BoG movie that served as a nice little epilogue for his Boo arc development, but other then that, he has no real reason to be there anymore. In fact, if there is one thing that's holding the series back, especially Goku's character, it's Vegeta.

A little more consistence in the plot would be nice, but as long as Goku is Goku, I can roll with nonsense.

Vegeta had more reason to be involved with helping Trunks than Goku did.

Until the "I killed your family" part anyway.

[Shinomori]

This might be a personal opinion, but I wasn't impressed with the overall story of this arc. I know they are developing stories as they go along, but I would like to see more thought and reasoning in these arcs. For instance, it's obvious the creators wanted to bring Future Trunks back, but why did Zamasu go to Trunks' timeline specifically to wreak havoc? There's no reasoning behind that other than just to bring Trunks back into the fold. That's lame in my opinion. If that was all they wanted to do, they could have just had Trunks come back to the present for a visit. I would have accepted that perfectly fine and been just as excited to see him. Ultimately, I just didn't care about the character Zamasu one bit. His story wasn't impressive and man was he a total prick.

In the end, it wasn't this episode that did it, but the story overall that makes this arc bad. I don't know why people are thinking this next episode will make things better. This arc is officially finished with Zamasu's "death". (Part of him is still immortal)

[Baggie_Saiyan]

This might be a personal opinion, but I wasn't impressed with the overall story of this arc. I know they are developing stories as they go along, but I would like to see more thought and reasoning in these arcs. For instance, it's obvious the creators wanted to bring Future Trunks back, but why did Zamasu go to Trunks' timeline specifically to wreak havoc? There's no reasoning behind that other than just to bring Trunks back into the fold. That's lame in my opinion. If that was all they wanted to do, they could have just had Trunks come back to the present for a visit. I would have accepted that perfectly fine and been just as excited to see him. Ultimately, I just didn't care about the character Zamasu one bit. His story wasn't impressive and man was he a total prick.

In the end, it wasn't this episode that did it, but the story overall that makes this arc bad. I don't know why people are thinking this next episode will make things better. This arc is officially finished with Zamasu's "death". (Part of him is still immortal)

They actually gave a pretty good reason as why they went to Trunks timeline.

"The two accuse Trunks of violating the gods’ taboo against time travel; the new Time Ring created when he changed the past is proof of his guilt. Goku should have died from his heart virus; it was Trunks changing history to save him that enabled Zamasu to steal his body in the first place. Everything is therefore his fault! They will cleanse the world of his sins by eliminating him and all Earthlings!"

[ChronoTwigger]

The more i think of it, the more flaws I can find. But the more I think of it, the more I like it. Even for the reason I spend time thinking of it.

It's rushed? Yes, in a good way. We focused too much on Goku while in fact this was a 20 episode battle of Trunks. More than Frieza. It was just one long duel with the same chara. And a chara with a lotta questions and hype about.

Vegetto defuse? Well, I watched the episode without any spoiler this time. VEGETTO! Now Vegetto will crush Zamasu!...but hey... he DEFUSE?!?! Now WHAT?!? WHAT CAN STOP THIS MONSTER?
I got many feels.
Somehow, I cared for humanity. Zamasu continual falling into a monster, more and more horrible... sometime it's seems a Go Nagai character at closeups O_O. It was a crazy god apprentice and if you align him beside other main antagonists, he goes along very well.

The arc wasn't ruined. Soulless guys can't find any soul into anything they watch. Ruin live in the eyes of the beholder.
I was hyped for 20 weeks and that's everything I ask from a show. Bullied kids that dream of power levels to get illusory victories on bullies are not my ground.