The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[apex_pretador]

Please try to elaborate.

1. Kid Goku (21st TB) vs Spiderman (peter parker). Goku has no tail weakness.

Round 1: No webs, no Kamehameha
Round 2: Webs and Kamehameha allowed



2. Thanos vs Beerus (No TP, win by KO or death)

[TheUltimateNinja]

Please try to elaborate.

1. Kid Goku (21st TB) vs Spiderman (peter parker). Goku has no tail weakness.

Round 1: No webs, no Kamehameha
Round 2: Webs and Kamehameha allowed

Round 1: Depends on which version of Spiderman you mean, he has many incarnations. Goku could beast most of them easily but certain versions of Spiderman could give even End of DB Goku a good fight.

Generally, though, Spiderman on average has a lifting strength of 5-10 tons, up to 20 tons if he really exerts himself, which is around the same level as Kid Goku, so it'd be fair to say they're around the same strength level with Spidey having a decent advantage as Goku at this point tops out at 10 or so judging by his feats.

As for speed, Goku actually has a huge advantage here as he is even faster than Kuririn who is already faster than the human eye can follow, so he's already easily Supersonic, perhaps even Hypersonic, whereas Spiderman generally can't go any faster than a few hundred miles an hour without propelling himself with webs, so he's only at around half the speed of sound, so Goku may very well be over 10x as fast as Spidey.

Goku's definitely more durable too as he can survive bullets without taking any damage whereas Spiderman can be severely injured by gunfire, though he's more than fast enough to dodge.

Finally, Goku at this point certainly has more technqiues, but Peter's a genius and a talented fighter in his own right and he also has a much larger body, but ultimately Goku's much too fast for him. I'd say Goku wins 4/5, with the 1/5 being if Spidey figures out Goku's tail weakness and manages to grab it.

Round 2: Peter can compensate for his lack of speed with his webs which also make it easier to get Goku's tail and restrain him so that's definitely a huge advantage for him here, but his webs probably aren't strong enough to hold Goku for more than a brief instant. Goku doesn't gain much from the Kamehameha as Peter could easily dodge thanks to his Spider Sense, but Goku could use it for other purposes such as distraction or to propel himself, he could also simply take advantage of his massive speed advantage to ensure the Kamehameha doesn't miss. I'd say Goku wins this round 3/5.

Bonus round: If Spidey gets the black suit he should fare much better as all of his abilities are improved dramatically; Durability, webbing, strength, speed, everything goes up.

We'll start off with strength again, Spidey's strength increases a lot, he can easily lift 15-20 ton objects and at his max can go up to 40 tons or so, so he has a huge strength advantage over Goku with the black suit.

His speed increases lot too, he moves much faster than before and occasionally goes faster than sound, so he's around Sonic-Low Supersonic in speed, so Goku still has a pretty big advantage over him here, but not as much as before, I'd say Goku is still 4-5x faster.

His durability is perhaps his biggest improvement, not only does his body become far more durable the suit also acts as armor and can absorb a lot of force. It also gives him limited regenerative abilities so even if he does get hurt he can recover somewhat. He can also produce an unlimited amount of webbing now and his webs are much stronger too, so he could definitely restrain Goku for quite a while.

All things considered, with the black suit he should break even with Goku or maybe even win 3/5.

[DanielSSJ]

New fights featuring the weaker earthlings!
Assume all characters are from the Anime. All characters are unarmed and their gimmicks (like Boss Carrot's gloves, Buyon's durability hax) are removed unless explicitly stated:

1.Bulma VS Lunch (Good)
2.Puar VS Upa
3.Oolong VS Pilaf
4.Shu VS Mai
5.Rabbit Gang Thugs VS Farmer Without Shotgun
6.Silver VS Bear Bandit
7.Murasaki VS Kuririn (Initial)
8.Ranfan VS Mr. Satan
9.Orin Temple's #1 VS Yamcha (Initial)
10.Bacterian VS Goku (Initial)

Also, how strong do you think Chichi (Initial) and Dende (Pre potential unlock) are?

- I'd be willing to bet that the more aggressive Bulma would win handedly against the innocent Lunch. Now if Lunch sneezes...
- Upa might have at least some kind of training, whereas Puar is just a talking cat.
- The two get into an epic slap fight and both give up when it starts to hurt. Tie.
- Mai always seemed to be the more competent of the two, so I'd go with her.
- Farmer has to work hard every day to take care of his ranch, whereas the Rabbit Thug gets by mooching of of scared villagers. Farmer knocks the thug's lights out.
- Silver seemed at least somewhat competent and his speed was enough to momentarily catch Goku of guard. And this was a Goku who had already trained with the Turtle Hermit. The Mohawk Bear was baffled by the speed Goku displayed before that. Odds are Silver wins.
- I dunno, something tells me that Murasaki could at least put up a fight against the Goku from the first arc, or even 21st TB Yamcha. Odds are Kuririn loses.
- In straight-forward ability, I'd wager that Mr. Satan and Ranfan are probably pretty close. Mr. Satan's overconfidence probably costs him the match here, though.
- Orin Temple bullies suck, so I'm giving this one to Yamcha.
- Without his stench aiding him, Bacterian is powerless against Goku's herculean strength.

[TheUltimateNinja]

- Orin Temple bullies suck, so I'm giving this one to Yamcha.

I disagree with this, they're above Kuririn who himself was close to Goku at the start of their training with Roshi, so Yamcha should lose here.

[Angelus]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

[Hellspawn28]

Zamasu put up a decent fight against SSj2 Goku, so he wins. SSj2 Goku in Super is way stronger due to three years of training.

[Lord Beerus]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

Hmm. This is close fight. I mean, Zamasu was on the ropes from practically the beginning of Goku's assault, and I reckon, had Goku treated this as a major serious he would have done some major damage to Zamasu. But of course, the real question is that did us Godly ki on top of his SSJ2 form when fighting Zamasu? I mean, the anime is already very vague in regard to when or whether Goku and Vegeta tap into Godly ki outside of their Super Saiyan Blu form. But if we don't take into consideration, I'd personally peg Zamasu as practically on the some wavelength in strength as 25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan, but as Zamasu is more honed and experience fighter, being a Kaioshin prodigy and even touted to surpass Beerus one day, I'm backing him to take this.

[Khin]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

Zamasu put up a good fight against SS2 Goku, and then later said that he wanted a rematch too because he was distressed that he didn't well as he could have before. That's the Goku whose base is stronger than Gotenks. He wins without even trying.

Even if you subscribe to the "two base theory," Zamasu still implied that he's more or less equal to Super Saiyan 2 Goku, and that's the Goku who is way stronger than he was in the Boo Arc, who was already way stronger than Super Saiyan 2 Gohan

[Zamasu55]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

Gohan stands no chance.

[Zamasu55]

Zamasu put up a decent fight against SSj2 Goku, so he wins. SSj2 Goku in Super is way stronger due to three years of training.

It's more than three.

[TheUltimateNinja]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

Hmm. This is close fight. I mean, Zamasu was on the ropes from practically the beginning of Goku's assault, and I reckon, had Goku treated this as a major serious he would have done some major damage to Zamasu. But of course, the real question is that did us Godly ki on top of his SSJ2 form when fighting Zamasu? I mean, the anime is already very vague in regard to when or whether Goku and Vegeta tap into Godly ki outside of their Super Saiyan Blu form. But if we don't take into consideration, I'd personally peg Zamasu as practically on the some wavelength in strength as 25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan, but as Zamasu is more honed and experience fighter, being a Kaioshin prodigy and even touted to surpass Beerus one day, I'm backing him to take this.

If he was only as strong as Cell Games Gohan even SSJ Goku would easily oneshot him, let alone SSJ2.

[Bullza]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

An almighty ROFL stomp this is. The Goku who fought Zamasu was ridiculousy more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks in just his Base form. He felt the need to use SSJ2 against Zamasu.

How is this even comparable? Ultimate Gohan wouldn't stand a prayer of a chance of winning never mind SSJ2 Gohan.

If it were the manga version though then Gohan wins.

[TheUltimateNinja]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

An almighty ROFL stomp this is. The Goku who fought Zamasu was ridiculousy more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks in just his Base form. He felt the need to use SSJ2 against Zamasu.

How is this even comparable? Ultimate Gohan wouldn't stand a prayer of a chance of winning never mind SSJ2 Gohan.

If it were the manga version though then Gohan wins.

Even manga Goku is absurdly strong compared to Cell Arc Gohan, Zamasu would win easily.

[Bullza]

25th WMAT SSJ2 Gohan VS First Appearance Zamasu (present, not immortal)

An almighty ROFL stomp this is. The Goku who fought Zamasu was ridiculousy more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks in just his Base form. He felt the need to use SSJ2 against Zamasu.

How is this even comparable? Ultimate Gohan wouldn't stand a prayer of a chance of winning never mind SSJ2 Gohan.

If it were the manga version though then Gohan wins.

Even manga Goku is absurdly strong compared to Cell Arc Gohan, Zamasu would win easily.

Well manga Zamasu had to work somewhat for his win against Kibito and he's supposed to be stronger than the Supreme Kai's but SSJ2 Gohan would have wrecked Kibito much easier and he was far above the Supreme Kai's.

[TheUltimateNinja]

An almighty ROFL stomp this is. The Goku who fought Zamasu was ridiculousy more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks in just his Base form. He felt the need to use SSJ2 against Zamasu.

How is this even comparable? Ultimate Gohan wouldn't stand a prayer of a chance of winning never mind SSJ2 Gohan.

If it were the manga version though then Gohan wins.

Even manga Goku is absurdly strong compared to Cell Arc Gohan, Zamasu would win easily.

Well manga Zamasu had to work somewhat for his win against Kibito and he's supposed to be stronger than the Supreme Kai's but SSJ2 Gohan would have wrecked Kibito much easier and he was far above the Supreme Kai's.

Yeah but that scene makes no sense unless Kibito got a major boost because then Zamasu wouldn't be a threat at all.

[DanielSSJ]

I disagree with this, they're above Kuririn who himself was close to Goku at the start of their training with Roshi, so Yamcha should lose here.[/quote]
Kuririn wasn't remotely close to Goku at the start of their training. This is the result of their first fight after all.
[spoiler][/spoiler]
And I'd be willing to bet that a good portion of the reason why Kuririn might've kept losing to them in the first place was because of his lack of confidence.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I disagree with this, they're above Kuririn who himself was close to Goku at the start of their training with Roshi, so Yamcha should lose here.

Kuririn wasn't remotely close to Goku at the start of their training. This is the result of their first fight after all.
And I'd be willing to bet that a good portion of the reason why Kuririn might've kept losing to them in the first place was because of his lack of confidence.[/quote]
That was a pretty decent performance on Kuririn's part, that showing could put him up to 60-70% of Goku's power.

[DanielSSJ]

That was a pretty decent performance on Kuririn's part, that showing could put him up to 60-70% of Goku's power.

Uh, within a few seconds, Kuririn was on the on the ground calling for mercy and Goku wasn't even slightly injured. How is that a "decent performance"? And, just so you know, I don't put a lot of stock in mathematical power gaps, especially during early Dragon Ball, when Ki wasn't the main deciding factor in a fight.

[Noah]

An almighty ROFL stomp this is. The Goku who fought Zamasu was ridiculousy more powerful than SSJ3 Gotenks in just his Base form. He felt the need to use SSJ2 against Zamasu.

How is this even comparable? Ultimate Gohan wouldn't stand a prayer of a chance of winning never mind SSJ2 Gohan.

If it were the manga version though then Gohan wins.

Not everyone takes Potaufeu "filler" Arc statements as something valuable to add in the series in terms of power levels, you should respect that, as people can still think that SSJ2 Goku is just stronger than his Boo Arc self, not by a immeasurable amount.

[Angelus]

It can't be filler because the anime is the canon medium for Super. The manga is only an adaptation of the anime. It's not like DB and Z that the mangas were around first and then anime were produced afterwards and during.