Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Bullza]

It's a simple question, no need to whine about my attitude.

Why have an attitude in the first place? It's not supposed to be that serious. That Chiki used to do that.

He sensed God Ki when he was able to find Zamasu in mere moments after swapping his body. How else would he have known he was on that one part farm at that specific moment.

Also, base Trunks being able to sense God ki doesn't contradict Whis' idea of a required power level. Once you reach the level (regardless of whether it's through a specific form) then perhaps after that point you can sense it in any form.

Then why couldn't Final Form Frieza sense God Ki but Golden Frieza seemed as though he could?

[Marlowe89]

Although I don't believe the two base theory, it's true that we never seen Black sense God ki before they went into the future. He just should be in that range.

Good, I was just making sure.

For the record, I don't have a problem with people not believing the two base theory; after all, it's just a theory, and given the fact that Super has many writers I think most interpretations are fair game at this point.

He sensed God Ki when he was able to find Zamasu in mere moments after swapping his body. How else would he have known he was on that one part farm at that specific moment.

That's still not a direct indication that Black could sense God ki. He doesn't say anything about it, so there could be a number of explanations for that. Maybe Zamasu simply learned where Goku was before making the wish.

The fact of the matter is that Black doesn't mention anything about this until Episode 56. Even if we assume that he could sense God ki beforehand, which isn't based on anything, there's still Episode 49's implication that his full strength was possibly beyond Goku's Super Saiyan 3 form.

[Bullza]

Why would he need to need to say anything about it?

He learnt all about Goku but then afterward he spent an unknown amount of time travelling between the different universes to gather the Super Dragon Balls. Goku would have moved around all over the place.

As soon as he swapped bodies Zamasu showed up within moments. He obviously just sensed where he was so he must be able to sense God Ki and at that point he may have been weaker than he was when Trunks said he was about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

[dbgtFO]

Why would he need to need to say anything about it?

He learnt all about Goku but then afterward he spent an unknown amount of time travelling between the different universes to gather the Super Dragon Balls. Goku would have moved around all over the place.

As soon as he swapped bodies Zamasu showed up within moments. He obviously just sensed where he was so he must be able to sense God Ki and at that point he may have been weaker than he was when Trunks said he was about as strong as Super Saiyan 3 Goku.

Why does Zamasu possibly sensing base Goku mean he could sense God Ki?
Goku's base just has normal ki and he was working, so his ki couldn't have been anything substantial either.

[Marlowe89]

Why would he need to need to say anything about it?

Because it's the only thing that would prevent your argument from being completely baseless.

For all you know, Zamasu could have learned of Goku's general home location at some point, and then after making his wish he could have easily tracked him at or near that location in a short amount of time. He doesn't make any specific mention of sensing God ki to find him, nor is it ever suggested by any of the characters present. It's just something you're assuming out of nowhere because you think it might be the only chance your counterpoint has of standing on anything.

Well, it doesn't stand, really. Black never said anything about sensing God ki, so we can't assume that's what he did. We don't even know that he was capable of that at all before Episode 56.

[Bullza]

Why does Zamasu possibly sensing base Goku mean he could sense God Ki?

No it'd be the other way around. Black now without God Ki would be sensing Zamasu with God Ki.

For all you know, Zamasu could have learned of Goku's general home location at some point, and then after making his wish he could have easily tracked him at or near that location in a short amount of time.

So of all the places that Goku could have been, King Kai's planet, Beerus' planet, the several different places on Earth he could be like his house, where he works, Capsule Corp, Master Roshi's Island etc, in a matter of moments he went to Earth, somehow knew where to go on Earth to find his house, saw that he wasn't there and just flew around the general area until he happened to spot Goku.

That's not baseless or an assumption at all.

Black never said anything about sensing God ki, so we can't assume that's what he did.

And in the seconds between Zamasu appearing and him killing Goku and the one sentence he said to him, he'd randomly out of the blue say "Hey! Guess what! I can sense God Ki! Just like I'm been able to do for the past several dozen million years! I thought you should know before I slaughtered you and your family!".

[dbgtFO]

Why does Zamasu possibly sensing base Goku mean he could sense God Ki?

No it'd be the other way around. Black now without God Ki would be sensing Zamasu with God Ki.

Oh, right, of course! Carry on.

[Marlowe89]

So of all the places that Goku could have been, King Kai's planet, Beerus' planet, the several different places on Earth he could be like his house, where he works, Capsule Corp, Master Roshi's Island etc, in a matter of moments he went to Earth, somehow knew where to go on Earth to find his house, saw that he wasn't there and just flew around the general area until he happened to spot Goku.

You're assuming that Zamasu would have known exactly where Goku was at the time, and that's never implied either. He could have travelled to Goku's house to murder him and his family and then happened to see Goku farming somewhere along the way. Alternatively, he could have found out what Goku was doing moments before going off to make his wish. A whole number of situations could have easily allowed for Black to conveniently find Goku without jumping to the unsupported conclusion that he was sensing God ki.

When the switch happened, Chi Chi also wasn't present. Goten had to return home to find Chi Chi, explain the situation and then bring her back to Goku's location, so it's not like it all occurred in seconds.

And in the seconds between Zamasu appearing and him killing Goku and the one sentence he said to him, he'd randomly out of the blue say "Hey! Guess what! I can sense God Ki! Just like I'm been able to do for the past several dozen million years! I thought you should know before I slaughtered you and your family!".

Again, I commend you for trying, but no. He could have just mentioned that he was about to sense Goku/Zamasu's ki in order to track him down, as countless characters have done and continue to do over the course of the series to indicate to the viewer that they're using that ability. But he didn't, so your argument relies on this unfounded (and frankly really dumb) assumption that Black MUST have been able to sense God ki from the beginning just because he found Goku when that was never specifically implied. Your whole counterpoint here just doesn't carry any weight, I'm afraid.

I must admit, between you jumping to all these baseless conclusions and denying direct statements/events in the anime ("Whis is WRONG!", "Goku one-shotting Trunks was totally just an outlier guise!") I'm very curious as to what your next justification will be when something else comes along that just outright contradicts or doesn't support one of your arguments. I don't mean to cop an attitude here, it's all quite amusing to me.

[Bullza]

You're assuming that Zamasu would have known exactly where Goku was at the time

Yeah because he would have sensed him which is why he showed up at the exact spot where Goku was moments after switching bodies with him. Pretty simple really.

Even if Zuno told him where Goku's house was which he might not have, how would he have found it? Google maps? If you were dumped in the middle of Africa without anything on you and I told you to go to X: 2037 Y: 671 you'd never find it.

Why would he have found out that Goku was currently farming while in the middle of his search for the Super Dragon Balls and when granting a wish?

When the switch happened, Chi Chi also wasn't present. Goten had to return home to find Chi Chi, explain the situation and then bring her back to Goku's location, so it's not like it all occurred in seconds.

He can fly at dozens of times the speed of sound, his house isn't going to be that far from the farm and he could have explained on the way. Zamasu would have needed to go all the way to Earth, somehow find this one house, realise he ain't there then just randomly fly around the area trying to spot him.

He could have just mentioned that he was about to sense Goku/Zamasu's ki in order to track him down

So because he didn't mention something randomly specific like that it means that he just happened to find out what Goku was doing...which was never mentioned...and then flew around the general area of his house which he somehow found....though that was also never mentioned.

I'm not trying to cop an attitude with you here either, this is all quite amusing for me.

"Nice try" but you've kinda been like that since you showed up really. You seem to take all this a bit too personally for some bizarre reason. If it's gotten to the point where you're putting on some cocky front then it's probably time to stop.

[Marlowe89]

Even if Zuno told him where Goku's house was which he might not have, how would he have found it? Google maps? If you were dumped in the middle of Africa without anything on you and I told you to go to X: 2037 Y: 671 you'd never find it.

I don't know why you're suddenly assuming that Kaioshin characters who can teleport literally anywhere they want and have been doing so for thousands of years would have no idea how to navigate to a location as simple as Goku's house. We don't even need to assume Zuno told him that, although he could have. Zamasu could have found out on his own before even making the switch.

Why would he have found out that Goku was currently farming while in the middle of his search for the Super Dragon Balls and when granting a wish?

Because he was planning to kill him, obviously. Zamasu is a very premeditative character. He could have found out what Goku was currently doing shortly before the wish was made and he would have had a perfect reference for where to go. No need to stipulate the use of ki sensing here when it wasn't suggested at any point.

So because he didn't mention something randomly specific like that it means that he just happened to find out what Goku was doing...which was never mentioned...and then flew around the general area of his house which he somehow found....though that was also never mentioned.

First of all, the only thing that's "randomly specific" is you assuming that Black was tracking Goku with an ability that was never suggested, implied or hinted at. Of course the alternatives were never mentioned - my point is that nothing was mentioned at all so it's unreasonable to jump to conclusions when the episode gives us nothing to go on. The fact of the matter is that there are multiple possibilities at play here, a fact you apparently have refused to acknowledge on multiple occasions.

You seem to take all this a bit too personally for some bizarre reason.

And for some bizarre reason you seem to assume I'm taking anything personally when in fact I find it a bit hard to take you seriously at all. Every time something in the series comes up and is at odds with your interpretation, you usually just resort to the equivalent of shutting your ears and screaming "But that character's wrong!" or "That's an outlier that never should have happened!" and as a general approach, I can't help but find that exceptionally childish and stubborn and yet oddly entertaining. I know you'd like to believe I'm offended, but I'm really not, I just wanted to point out how amusing it's been. I'll probably continue to point it out too.

[ekrolo2]

Earlier on in the thread, I proposed an x2500 Base power multiplier for the anime version of SSBlue but I ditched that when it seemed impossible to reconcile that with Black's high Base form. However, if assuming Black isn't getting Zenkai but merely unlocking more of Goku's strength, I think I've figured out a way to make it work.

Base Goku - 1
SSBlue - 2500 (x2500 Base, obviously)

Base Black - 500 to 1000
SSRose - 3000 (depending on his Base, which we know is SS3+ Tier, Rose lets him unlock the rest of his Goku's potential through an x5 to x3 Base Boost. Zamasu obviously must've waited some time to get this version of Goku, hence why I believe his Goku is stronger than the default one we have.)

[Bullza]

I don't know why you're suddenly assuming that Kaioshin characters who can teleport literally anywhere they want and have been doing so for thousands of years would have no idea how to navigate to a location as simple as Goku's house.

Well that's if he can teleport. He was just a North Kai before like King Kai and King Kai can't teleport. He started to teleport during his fight with Goku and when he seemed to pick up his Instant Transmission and in a recent episode after Zamasu gets caught up in the mafuba and he goes to check on him he uses the Instant Transmission to go to him.

Kinda redundant if he could already teleport from the beginning.

He could have found out what Goku was currently doing shortly before the wish was made

How?

First of all, the only thing that's "randomly specific" is you assuming that Black was tracking Goku with an ability that was never suggested, implied or hinted at. Of course the alternatives were never mentioned - my point is that nothing was mentioned at all so it's unreasonable to jump to conclusions when the episode gives us nothing to go on.

The most reasonable scenario of the lot is that Black sensed Zamasu (Goku) and so he quickly headed for him. This other scenario where Zamasu, alone, in the middle of space, just somehow found out that Goku was at a farm and then Zamasu was able to quickly find that exact farm or what you said about him going to his house and seeing he wasn't there so flew around the area playing where's Wally is much less reasonable.

I'll probably continue to point it out too.

Well you definitely will now because you're taking it increasingly more personal with each post despite claiming not to be. Probably calling you out on being cocky made it worse but I only said that because you were taking it personal to begin with.

I know how these kinda things go so of course I expect you to keep going on about it now you've started. Again though it's a thread about animated characters power levels, dozens of people have replied in this thread without taking it seriously to the point they let it personally get to them so I don't know why you feel the need to be an exception.

It has nothing to do with anything anyway so calm yourself and stick to the topic like everyone else is capable of doing without trying to be snarky ok? It's not difficult I promise.

[Marlowe89]

Well that's if he can teleport. He was just a North Kai before like King Kai and King Kai can't teleport. He started to teleport during his fight with Goku and when he seemed to pick up his Instant Transmission and in a recent episode after Zamasu gets caught up in the mafuba and he goes to check on him he uses the Instant Transmission to go to him.

Doesn't matter. King Kai could zoom in on specific coordinates on specific planets with his antennae. There hasn't been a SINGLE god in the show that hasn't shown themselves capable of navigating to simple spots like Goku's house. It's ridiculous that we're having this argument at all.

It's not redundant. If he can teleport while in his own body, that would already presuppose him being able to navigate to a place like that. Not that it's needed, since there's nothing to suggest that universal gods like this have no idea where to find things in the first place. Also, how do you think he got to Earth or Gowasu's planet? Goku's body can't withstand the vacuum of space.

How?

What do you mean "how"? He can just fly over to earth, track Goku's ki (in his own body of course) and see where he's located and what he's doing. Or he can just go threaten Zuno again, or really anyone who knows where to find him.

This isn't anywhere nearly as complicated as you want to pretend it is, this is an extremely easy feat for someone like Zamasu who has all the time in the world since he left with the time ring.

The most reasonable scenario of the lot

It's not even slightly more reasonable because it was never implied that he could sense God ki at that point, that's literally just a baseless assumption on your part. All you're doing here is downplaying a god's ability to navigate a small planet like Earth because you can't accept that the other possibilities are equally valid.

The ball's in your court. You made the claim that Black could track God ki from the beginning (despite not being able to sense plain regular ki from the beginning) so the burden of proof is entirely on you to validate that claim. You haven't done so, nor will you ever do so because nothing in the show implied that he could.

Well you definitely will now because you're taking it increasingly more personal with each post despite claiming not to be. Probably calling you out on being cocky made it worse but I only said that because you were taking it personal to begin with.

I know how these kinda things go so of course I expect you to keep going on about it now you've started. Again though it's a thread about animated characters power levels, dozens of people have replied in this thread without taking it seriously to the point they let it personally get to them so I don't know why you feel the need to be an exception.

It has nothing to do with anything anyway so calm yourself and stick to the topic like everyone else is capable of doing without trying to be snarky ok? It's not difficult I promise.

Notice how you responded to that point with five long drawn-out sentences crying about how I'm taking this "personally" or that I'm being "cocky" just because I said the way you approach these debates is incredibly childish (which it is). I'm perfectly calm but you're getting increasingly whinier with every post, presumably because I called you out, and I just find your whole temper tantrum kind of hilarious at this point. Do keep going.

[Bullza]

Doesn't matter. King Kai could zoom in on specific coordinates on specific planets with his antennae. There hasn't been a SINGLE god in the show that hasn't shown themselves capable of navigating to simple spots like Goku's house. It's ridiculous that we're having this argument at all.

Why are you assuming that Zamasu can do the same thing as a completely different character altogether? Can Zamasu also do the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb like King Kai? No he can't. Does Zamasu have antennae? No he doesn't. Was King Kai able to teleport Goku to Earth when the Saiyans arrived? No he didn't.

Was Zamasu shown to be able to teleport whilst specifically using the Instant Transmission as opposed to using the Instantaneous Movement? Yes he was.

Also, how do you think he got to Earth or Gowasu's planet? Goku's body can't withstand the vacuum of space.

Clearly by creating a similar barrier that allowed Goku to breathe in space when travelling to Gowasu's planet along with Beerus and Whis as he was breathing just fine when standing there in the middle of deep space talking out loud to himself as opposed to dying.

What do you mean "how"? He can just fly over to earth, track Goku's ki (in his own body of course) and see where he's located and what he's doing. Or he can just go threaten Zuno again, or really anyone who knows where to find him.

Or he could have just tracked Goku's Ki in Zamasu's body and then just flew over to him instead. Much more likely than him gathering up the Super Dragon Ball's, flying all the way over to Zuno's (which could have taken a decent amount of time) asking him where he is, being told "He's on a farm", flying all the back to the Super Dragon Ball's, getting the wish, flying to Earth, finding this specific farm without any kind of map all before Goku finished work.

Notice how you responded to that point with three whole paragraphs crying about how I'm taking this "personally" or that I'm being "cocky" just because I said the way you approach these debates is incredibly childish (which it is). You're getting increasingly more whiny with every post and I just find your whole temper tantrum kind of hilarious at this point. Keep going, let it all out.

Right...see I said this...

"you're taking it increasingly more personal with each post"

Then of course you just said that....proving my point entirely aren't you? Nobody else here has got so worked up over animated characters power levels except you. Now you're doing the typical thing where you copy what I say to you, twist the wording and then say it back to me, I say you're getting increasingly more personal each post so of course you've gotta say I'm getting increasingly more whiny each post....All I'm saying is just calm down and stay on topic as the way you're acting over all this is the only thing that's laughable here.

[Marlowe89]

Why are you assuming that Zamasu can do the same thing as a completely different character altogether? Can Zamasu also do the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb like King Kai? No he can't. Does Zamasu have antennae? No he doesn't. Was King Kai able to teleport Goku to Earth when the Saiyans arrived? No he didn't.

I never assumed that and if that's what you got from my post then the point is entirely over your head. The fact is that none of these universal gods have been shown to be incapable of tracking down specific locations on specific planets. There's no reason to assume that Zamasu couldn't use a multitude of methods to find Goku on a planet like Earth. The series has never presented a situation where a god was that incompetent.

Clearly by creating a similar barrier that allowed Goku to breathe in space when travelling to Gowasu's planet along with Beerus and Whis as he was breathing just fine when standing there in the middle of deep space talking out loud to himself as opposed to dying.

But Goku doesn't have such an ability, so what makes you think Zamasu has it? Even if Zamasu does have it, what makes you think he's retaining his Kaioshin abilities in Goku's body? And even if he's retaining his Kaioshin abilities - and assuming that he tracked Goku down by sensing God ki - what makes you think his whole ability to sense God ki wasn't just retained from being a Kaioshin to begin with? If that's the case then it just makes Black an exception to the rule of being at a required power level to sense God ki, it doesn't contradict it.

Much more likely than him gathering up the Super Dragon Ball's, flying all the way over to Zuno's (which could have taken a decent amount of time) asking him where he is, being told "He's on a farm", flying all the back to the Super Dragon Ball's, getting the wish, flying to Earth, finding this specific farm without any kind of map all before Goku finished work.

Not really. If he asked Zuno, Zuno could have given him directions or coordinates. Not that he would have needed to ask Zuno or would have even needed coordinates at all - at some point before making the wish, he can just track Goku's ki in his own body to pinpoint exactly where he is. It's that simple.

The point stands. Black hasn't shown any hint or indication that he was able to sense God ki from the beginning despite lacking the ability to sense regular ki. You're assuming that he can but you have absolutely nothing to substantiate that, so it's completely moot.

Then of course you just said that....proving my point entirely aren't you?

Proving what point? That I mentioned you have this weird tendency to start blatantly denying events or statements in the series in an attempt to keep your viewpoint relevant only for you to then get all flustered and try to say I'm being "cocky" or "snarky" because I pointed it out? That is the epitome of being whiny, and I first mentioned that quite a few posts ago.

This whole thing started when I just said it would inevitably happen again if the series contradicted you again, and then you started babbling about my attitude because of course it offended you. You're acting like a child and I can assure you that you're the only one getting worked up here.

[Bullza]

The fact is that none of these universal gods have been shown to be incapable of navigating to specific locations on specific planets. There's no reason to assume that a god like Zamasu couldn't use a multitude of methods to find Goku on a planet like Earth.

Saying that is the assumption. If King Kai can't teleport then there's nothing to say that Zamasu can teleport. Again he was only shown to be able to teleport after using Goku's Instant Transmission, when he used that specific technique to teleport behind Goku or when he teleported to Zamasu.

If that is his means of teleportation and he picked that up from Goku then he could not teleport beforehand. Which would probably also explain why it took Goten the trip to home and back before Black showed up on Earth and not immediately.

But Goku doesn't have such an ability, so what makes you think Zamasu has it?

Huh? You just said Goku can't survive in the vacuum of space. Black was shown standing in the vacuum of space breathing so that's why I think it. Before you mentioned that because he was a Kaioshin he could teleport to Goku's house...but Goku doesn't haven't the instantaneous movement ability.

So he can do the instantaneous movement even though that's not Goku's ability but he cant do the breathable barrier because that's not Goku's ability? Make up your mind.

Not that he would have needed to ask Zuno - he can just track Goku's ki in his own body at some point before making the wish to find out exactly where his location is.

How would Zamasu be able to track a heavily suppressed Goku's Ki from somewhere in the middle of the universe (if he was even in the same universe) when Goku needed the Z Fighters to power up to max to be able to track them?

Proving what point?

...That you were getting increasingly more personal each post, I thought that was obvious. You were becoming cocky ("Nice try") so I naturally told you there was no need as it's just a fun discussion and somehow that meant I was whiny.

I went from being stubborn and quite amusing to being a childish hilarious whiner all because you've gotten yourself too worked up. Compose yourself as you've also just proved my other point. I'd only just said this.

"you're doing the typical thing where you copy what I say to you, twist the wording and then say it back to me" and "Nobody else here has got so worked up" and then in your very next post..."you're the only one getting worked up here"...funny that because I'd just said that you... I imply you're offended what with you taking it personally and so you say "because of course it offended you" but didn't I imply that you were...lol ok man, just calm down alright?

[Marlowe89]

If King Kai can't teleport then there's nothing to say that Zamasu can teleport. Again he was only shown to be able to teleport after using Goku's Instant Transmission, when he used that specific technique to teleport behind Goku or when he teleported to Zamasu.

I never said Zamasu needed to be capable of teleportation, why do you keep missing the point? I'm saying that nothing thus far in the series has called the gods' navigational skills into question.

On a few occasions it took King Kai a short amount of time to track down what he needed to zoom in on with his antennae, but it didn't take him long. Certain Kaioshin can teleport to specific places on specific planets without a problem and they knew exactly where to go. There has never been anything in the series to suggest that the gods would just get lost on some planet after learning where they needed to go.

Before you mentioned that because he was a Kaioshin he could teleport to Goku's house...but Goku doesn't haven't the instantaneous movement ability.

I never mentioned Zamasu definitely could teleport, and in fact I said the idea that Zamasu could teleport isn't needed so don't put words in my mouth. I was using past instances of Kaioshins teleporting exactly to where they needed to go and King Kai tracking down sights of specific spots as a means of illustrating that no Kai has ever had an issue pinpointing specific locations, unlike what you were implying. Navigation isn't going to be an issue for Zamasu regardless of whether he has those abilities.

How would Zamasu be able to track a heavily suppressed Goku's Ki from somewhere in the middle of the universe (if he was even in the same universe) when Goku needed the Z Fighters to power up to max to be able to track them?

He doesn't need to be "somewhere in the middle of the universe" when sensing Goku. Considering how quickly he travelled from the location he used the Super Dragon Balls at to Earth to kill Goku and his family, there's no reason he couldn't have gone to Earth himself and pinpointed Goku's location before finally going to summon the dragon all in a matter of moments.

Also, what makes you think Goku's ki in Zamasu's body was any less suppressed than what it was before the switch? Seems to me like you're employing all sorts of assumptions here.

You were becoming cocky ("Nice try") so I naturally told you there was no need as it's just a fun discussion and somehow that meant I was whiny.

Wait, what?

If something as innocuous as saying "nice try" in a response is enough to set you off on some tangent about how cocky I'm being and that I'm somehow taking this personally just because I said those two words, then yes, you ARE whining. You're getting offended way too easily here. I didn't give off any indication that I was upset or otherwise uncalm, that's just the narrative you constructed in your head because those two simple words apparently riled you up so much.

And now you're desperately combing through each of my posts (which is really kind of creepy to be honest) and trying to pick apart everything I said as arduously as you can to try and prove that I'm not calm, or that I said certain things only after you said them first even though I already insinuated you were being touchy a page back. At first I was amused, but now I think you might need a breather for your own sake. Go outside or something, dude, just don't hyperventilate.

[Bullza]

On a few occasions it took King Kai a short amount of time to track down what he needed to zoom in on with his antennae, but it didn't take him long. Certain Kaioshin can teleport to specific places on specific planets without a problem and they knew exactly where to go.

What does that have to do with Zamasu? King Kai was shown to be able to track characters down with his antenna and see them like how he saw he Frieza but he can't teleport. The Supreme Kai was shown to be able to teleport but he needs the orb to be able to see people on other planets fight.

You assume Zamasu can do both when he was shown to do neither. He cannot teleport like how the Supreme Kai hence his use Goku's Instant Transmission.

I never mentioned Zamasu could teleport, and in fact I said the idea that Zamasu could teleport isn't needed so don't put words in my mouth.

No you kinda did when you said this

"Also, how do you think he got to Earth or Gowasu's planet?"

But if you're saying he can't now then how do you think he got to Earth? You also mentioned that he flew to Earth but you also said Goku's body couldn't survive in the vacuum of space either so how would he have flown to Earth?

He doesn't need to be "somewhere in the middle of the universe" when sensing Goku. Considering how quickly he travelled from the location he used the Super Dragon Balls at to Earth to kill Goku and his family, there's no reason he couldn't have gone to Earth himself and pinpointed Goku's location before finally going to summon the dragon all in a matter of moments.

No that wouldn't really make much sense. If Zamasu didn't teleport then he'd have had to have been real close to the Earth when he summoned the Dragon in order for him to have been able to get to Earth within a matter of moments but he couldn't have been otherwise the sheer size of Zamasu would have crushed the Earth. Even the flash off him being summoned covered the galaxy.

So he'd have had to have been a good distance from the Earth and then he shouldn't have been able to get there so quickly and like I said if he'd flown then he'd have had to have flown to Earth as Goku who you can't survive in space.

If something as innocuous as saying "nice try" in a response is enough to set you off on some tangent about how cocky I'm being and that I'm somehow taking this personally just because I said those two words, then yes, you ARE whining.

Oh no that was just one quick example. I'd already brought up your cocky attitude beforehand, it just continued from there. Of course you conveniently forgot about that though in order to bring up how upset I was by two words. I was advising you to calm down not simply because again it's a thread about power levels, possibly the most insignificant thing there is but because I knew you were you were headed.

Funnily enough my telling you not to be cocky and calm down as had the complete opposite effect as it's made you increasing more cocky and less calm. Now I'm not just a hilarious whiny child either but also a creepy desperate whiny child who stays in his basement and is at risk of having a stroke. So yeah I think when you've got to that point there's no real need for be to prove your not calm.

[Marlowe89]

You assume Zamasu can do both when he was shown to do neither. He cannot teleport like how the Supreme Kai hence his use Goku's Instant Transmission.

Last time I'm going to say this, since apparently you seem to have a very difficult time grasping the point, but I never assumed that. Me bringing up what King Kai and other Kaioshin characters could do was never to prove that Zamasu could do them, it was just to illustrate that no Kai has ever had a problem finding specific locations on specific planets. We don't see them taking hours or days just to scout out these locations with their tracking/teleportation, they either already know exactly where to go and what to look for OR it doesn't take them long to find it. That was my point from the very beginning, really. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, in which case I'll gladly admit fault.

No you kinda did when you said this

There's no "kinda". Either I did or I didn't, and I didn't say that. When I said "how do you think he got to Earth or Gowasu's planet?" I wasn't asking you a rhetorical question, I legitimately wanted to know how you thought he travelled to those places in Goku's body. Perhaps Black can survive in the vacuum of space after all, and that's perfectly fine - the impression I had to begin with is that he just flew to those places himself, although I wasn't too sure because Goku can't breathe in space, so maybe his "space barrier" or whatever was inherited from Zamasu. I don't have a problem with that explanation.

No that wouldn't really make much sense.

I don't see why not. We're not given any indication that Black teleported to Earth, so it's entirely within the realm of possibility that he just flew to another galaxy on his own and that he was fast enough to do so in the time it took Goten to go to Chi Chi, possibly explain what happened and then bring Chi Chi to Goku's location, however long that was (and nobody knows). Nothing is suggested or implied either way as I've been saying.

Funnily enough my telling you not to be cocky and calm down as had the complete opposite effect as it's made you increasing more cocky and less calm. Now I'm not just a hilarious whiny child either but also a creepy desperate whiny child who stays in his basement and is at risk of having a stroke. So yeah I think when you've got to that point there's no real need for be to prove your not calm.

What point? Me trying to understand how saying "nice try" somehow means I'm less calm and/or cocky? Me thinking that your incessant combing over of my posts is somewhat creepy and also comes across as desperate? Me thinking that your responses as a whole have been petulant and childish? I think that's all entirely justified and frankly I don't even understand where you're going with this anymore.

What makes this even funnier is that your replies in this matter seem to be increasingly filled with a bunch of spelling/grammatical errors as I read them so I don't think I'm the one having issues keeping his composure.

[Bullza]

I'll reply to the above nonsense later because for now we've got a new episode.

It looked like Zeno destroyed either the universe or the whole multiverse in the future timeline. I'm not sure exactly, that's what Herms said. I didn't see the end of the episode so I'm not sure what happened.

No idea what was going on with Zamasu but one blast out of the sky from him was enough to over power Trunks, Vegeta and Goku's attacks so the deceased Merged Zamasu was still pretty powerful I guess.