The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DannyDBZfanforever » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:32 pm

DannyDBZfanforever wrote:How far this team goes into DB universe (manga, Z, Super), all are from Toriko -

Grotesque God Acacia, White demon, Current Toriko, Midora, Neo (after eating GOD) vs ???

Each one, versus one person from DBU that can give a good fight (to win or lose).

Grotesque God Acacia VS ???

White Demon VS ???

Midora VS ???

Current Toriko VS ???

Neo (after eating GOD) VS ????
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:38 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:DBM SSJ3 Vegito vs Base Goku(ROF)

Goku. His base at that point was more powerful than his BoG self. And his BoG self, even when he was just base, after his SSJG form disappeared, was still able to put up a fight against a non-full power Beerus. Unless Salagir will edit him, DBM SSJ3 Vegito just isn't at SSJG level. RoF Goku's base was already SSJG tier

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:20 pm

Bullza wrote:He wrote the Resurrection F movie where Base Goku was miles above SSJ2 Goku from the Buu arc. His outlines would continue on from that story. It's true for the Super anime aswell as many things suggest Base Goku > Mystic Gohan.

SSJ2 Goku in the Buu saga is dirt compared to Goku now.
In RoF (movie) is said that if Goku and Vegeta team up they could have a chance against Beerus, this is nowhere stated in Super, as 6-10-15 scale no longer can be applied, so yeah there are clearly some differences between. I don't believe Base Goku to be above Ultimate Gohan the same way I don't believe Trunks to have reach God-tier power alone in his timeline.


But let's stay on topic:

New matches: (Survival mode)

current Super Trunks runs the gauntlet (unlimited rage boosts/broken regeneration/Spirit Bomb Sword spam):

- Vados
- Daishinkan
- Zeno's attendants
- Zeno
- One above all
- Superman Prime
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Bullza » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:37 pm

Mystic Gohan was defeated just by Beerus smacking Buu into him. Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta was supposed to be stronger than that (same with the movie) with Beerus having to use 10% where he then beat him with a poke.

Base Goku has been punched in the face and blasted at point black and stayed conscious for the most part.

They're worlds apart.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Saiyan007 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:21 am

Why wouldn't base Goku be stronger than mystic gohan?

Base Goku also destroyed Beerus sphere of destruction where as Gohan got wasted just by majin buu being thrown at him

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:43 am

Noah wrote: - Vados
- Daishinkan
- Zeno's attendants
- Zeno
- One above all
- Superman Prime
He gets one-shotted by Vados, Kaioken Goku would be a better match.

Here's one from me: Kaioken x5 Tournament Goku vs Merged Zamasu (Initial)

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:12 am

AvatarReiko wrote:DBM SSJ3 Vegito vs Base Goku(ROF)


Base goku isn't powerful enough to beat SS3 vegetto himself, at this point he wouldn't beat even SS1 vegetto.

Angelus wrote:What's that two base theory?

Also,


SSJ3 Gotenks (Buu Arc) VS U6 Final Form Frieza

SSJ Cabba VS Full Power SSJG Goku (BoG)

Two base theory is trash

What is U6 final form freeza? You mean frost? Frost humiliates gotenks as bad as vegeta-copy did and uses his needle to beat him.

Cabba gets one-shotted
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:00 am

apex_pretador wrote: Two base theory is trash
If you don't use that theory you have Piccolo becoming God tier, some random kid from U6 who can't even go SSJ being SSG level, Trunks achieving God tier power on his own with only SSJ2 and power levels becoming far more inflated and ridiculous than they need to be.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Noah » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:07 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Noah wrote:New matches: (Survival mode)
current Super Trunks runs the gauntlet (unlimited rage boosts/broken regeneration/Spirit Bomb Sword spam):

- Vados
- Daishinkan
- Zeno's attendants
- Zeno
- One above all
- Superman Prime
He gets one-shotted by Vados, Kaioken Goku would be a better match.
Could you elaborate this more? As I said this Trunks has unlimited rage boost (meaning that he could get strong as he desires), broken regeneration (not immortal like Zamasu, but kinda), Spirit Bom Sword spam (can use whenever he wants and absorb all the energy surronding the ambient without asking)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:11 am

Noah wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Noah wrote:New matches: (Survival mode)
current Super Trunks runs the gauntlet (unlimited rage boosts/broken regeneration/Spirit Bomb Sword spam):

- Vados
- Daishinkan
- Zeno's attendants
- Zeno
- One above all
- Superman Prime
He gets one-shotted by Vados, Kaioken Goku would be a better match.
Could you elaborate this more? As I said this Trunks has unlimited rage boost (meaning that he could get strong as he desires), broken regeneration (not immortal like Zamasu, but kinda), Spirit Bom Sword spam (can use whenever he wants and absorb all the energy surronding the ambient without asking)
Rage boosts only go so far, and even with broken regeneration Vados most likely has even more broken attacks than a Hakaishin like Beerus who is able to erase people from existence, so regeneration is most likely meaningless here. And that Spirit Sword isn't that good, Vegetto already kicked Merged Zamasu's ass and was about to deal the final blow before he defused, Trunks merely finished off a heavily weakened Zamasu.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:42 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote: Two base theory is trash
If you don't use that theory you have Piccolo becoming God tier, some random kid from U6 who can't even go SSJ being SSG level, Trunks achieving God tier power on his own with only SSJ2 and power levels becoming far more inflated and ridiculous than they need to be.
No, I have Piccolo becoming fat buu tier, some random kid from U6 at SS3 gotenks tier, Trunks was a special case here, after vegeta's training as he mutated into a new special super saiyan form.
Noah wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
Noah wrote:New matches: (Survival mode)
current Super Trunks runs the gauntlet (unlimited rage boosts/broken regeneration/Spirit Bomb Sword spam):

- Vados
- Daishinkan
- Zeno's attendants
- Zeno
- One above all
- Superman Prime
He gets one-shotted by Vados, Kaioken Goku would be a better match.
Could you elaborate this more? As I said this Trunks has unlimited rage boost (meaning that he could get strong as he desires), broken regeneration (not immortal like Zamasu, but kinda), Spirit Bom Sword spam (can use whenever he wants and absorb all the energy surronding the ambient without asking)
Let me elaborate it.
Basically, you are giving Trunks the power of hulk (unlimited rage boost, broken regeneration) but hulk isn't the strongest there is. He gets his clock cleaned by beings who are far above him. Same happens here, where trunks isn't even as strong as a full strength merged Zamasu (even with spirit bomb sword) who was trashed by Vegetto blue and vegetto blue is not on beerus level, who is far weaker than vados.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:47 am

The two-base theory was 100% confirmed when Piccolo kept up to Frost.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:47 am

apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote: Two base theory is trash
If you don't use that theory you have Piccolo becoming God tier, some random kid from U6 who can't even go SSJ being SSG level, Trunks achieving God tier power on his own with only SSJ2 and power levels becoming far more inflated and ridiculous than they need to be.
No, I have Piccolo becoming fat buu tier, some random kid from U6 at SS3 gotenks tier, Trunks was a special case here, after vegeta's training as he mutated into a new special super saiyan form.
But Goku absorbed the power of SSG and surpassed it by the F Saga, it'd make no sense for him to randomly become weaker at the tournament.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:56 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: If you don't use that theory you have Piccolo becoming God tier, some random kid from U6 who can't even go SSJ being SSG level, Trunks achieving God tier power on his own with only SSJ2 and power levels becoming far more inflated and ridiculous than they need to be.
No, I have Piccolo becoming fat buu tier, some random kid from U6 at SS3 gotenks tier, Trunks was a special case here, after vegeta's training as he mutated into a new special super saiyan form.
But Goku absorbed the power of SSG and surpassed it by the F Saga, it'd make no sense for him to randomly become weaker at the tournament.
He surpassed it with blue.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:00 am

apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote: No, I have Piccolo becoming fat buu tier, some random kid from U6 at SS3 gotenks tier, Trunks was a special case here, after vegeta's training as he mutated into a new special super saiyan form.
But Goku absorbed the power of SSG and surpassed it by the F Saga, it'd make no sense for him to randomly become weaker at the tournament.
He surpassed it with blue.
He was stated to have improved even before he displayed SSBlue.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:06 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:
apex_pretador wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote: But Goku absorbed the power of SSG and surpassed it by the F Saga, it'd make no sense for him to randomly become weaker at the tournament.
He surpassed it with blue.
He was stated to have improved even before he displayed SSBlue.
No he wasn't.
Also, it makes no sense for anyone to comment on "hey, goku became weaker" when he used Super Saiyan in tournament.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 19, 2016 12:50 pm

Full Power SSJG Goku (BoG, not DBS) VS Present Zamasu (not immortal)

Abo and Kado (no fusing) VS Future #17 and #18

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Post by SSJFutureTrunks » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:46 pm

Vegeta SSJ (GT) vs. SSJ Gohan and Goten (GT).

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Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 19, 2016 1:51 pm

Angelus wrote:Full Power SSJG Goku (BoG, not DBS) VS Present Zamasu (not immortal)

Abo and Kado (no fusing) VS Future #17 and #18
-Zamasu gets oneshotted.

- Abo and Cado get oneshotted.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:03 pm

SSJFutureTrunks wrote:Vegeta SSJ (GT) vs. SSJ Gohan and Goten (GT).
Vegeta easily.

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