"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Yes, it's a shame both anime and manga decided to ignore it. I wonder if it was Toriyama telling them to do so.
Although the whole Champa Arc would make it stupid for Goku and Vegeta to be as strong as a Super Saiyan God in their base/SSJ form, seeing as Goku had to transform against Frost and base Vegeta was a strong as base Cabba.

The anime didn't ignore Resurrection 'F'. Especially since the anime have base form Copy-Vegeta, who is exactly as strong as Vegeta, no sell Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks attacks. The anime also had Goku fighting Beerus in his base form when he was dressed as Monaka. The anime has constantly shown that Goku and Vegeta' base forms are on another level.

Even in Champa arc, we see a flashback from BoG arc which has Beerus explaining that Goku absorbed the power of SSG and remained exactly as strong in his SS form, so it's not ignored.

[emperior]

Yes, it's a shame both anime and manga decided to ignore it. I wonder if it was Toriyama telling them to do so.
Although the whole Champa Arc would make it stupid for Goku and Vegeta to be as strong as a Super Saiyan God in their base/SSJ form, seeing as Goku had to transform against Frost and base Vegeta was a strong as base Cabba.

The anime didn't ignore Resurrection 'F'. Especially since the anime have base form Copy-Vegeta, who is exactly as strong as Vegeta, no sell Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks attacks. The anime also had Goku fighting Beerus in his base form when he was dressed as Monaka. The anime has constantly shown that Goku and Vegeta' base forms are on another level.

Even in Champa arc, we see a flashback from BoG arc which has Beerus explaining that Goku absorbed the power of SSG and remained exactly as strong in his SS form, so it's not ignored.

But it makes no sense U6 has warriors as strong/stronger than Base Goku/Vegeta if they are as strong as Goku was against Beerus as a SSG.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

But it makes no sense U6 has warriors as strong/stronger than Base Goku/Vegeta if they are as strong as Goku was against Beerus as a SSG.

Which is why everyone is bitching the anime when it comes to battle powers.

[HeroR]

But it makes no sense U6 has warriors as strong/stronger than Base Goku/Vegeta if they are as strong as Goku was against Beerus as a SSG.

Why? We don't know the history of U6 or the U6's Saiyans. Why would they follow the same evolutionary line as the U7's Saiyans, especially when they naturally lack tails and Toriyama said that Saiyans are stronger without them. This is also the same series that had Dr. Gero build a series of androids that pisses all over Freeza's power, you know, the strongest being in the universe, when the highest power level Gero had on record was Great Ape Vegeta who at best clocked in at 180,000.

[HECTOR4]

Chapter 67 Fuji TV synopsis. Can someone translate this please:

トランクスの剣によってついにザマスは砕け散り消えた。悟空はトランクスを称え、ベジータも笑みを浮かべる。ブルマやマイも喜び笑いあう。しかし、その時…！？

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[Psykomatik]

Trunks has finally eradicated Zamasu with his sword. Goku's congratulating Trunks, and Vegeta's smiling. Bulma and Mai, too, laugh at joy. But then... ?!

[Nejishiki]

Chapter 67 Fuji TV synopsis. Can someone translate this please:

トランクスの剣によってついにザマスは砕け散り消えた。悟空はトランクスを称え、ベジータも笑みを浮かべる。ブルマやマイも喜び笑いあう。しかし、その時…！？

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Future Trunks' broken sword returns to normal after Merged Zamasu is defeated, Goku and Vegeta are proud of him, and Bluma and Mai share a hearty laugh until...?! A liberal interpretation. I don't see anything important but somebody better than me can clarify the synopsis.

The laughing part sounds like a Dragon Ball movie ending.

[Cetra]

Yeah I also think the finale has some extreme Dragon Ball movie vibe.

And I love every bit of it.

[Ki Breaker]

But it makes no sense U6 has warriors as strong/stronger than Base Goku/Vegeta if they are as strong as Goku was against Beerus as a SSG.

Why? We don't know the history of U6 or the U6's Saiyans. Why would they follow the same evolutionary line as the U7's Saiyans, especially when they naturally lack tails and Toriyama said that Saiyans are stronger without them. This is also the same series that had Dr. Gero build a series of androids that pisses all over Freeza's power, you know, the strongest being in the universe, when the highest power level Gero had on record was Great Ape Vegeta who at best clocked in at 180,000.

Okay if I understand this correctly somewhere it was stated that base goku and Vegeta are as strong as Goku when he was ssg vs berrus..
This if stated is nothing more than a load of bull crap..

Why would berrus be sooo happy fighting super Saiyan god then? He could have just went and fought Cabba right! I am assuming berrus can't even hakai magetta as he is clearly above SS level and that is a level of SS after base being stronger than SSgod..

I cannot believe base goku and Vegeta are as strong as SS god in base.. at most they are strong as ultimate Gohan in base..

[Zamasu55]

Trunks has finally eradicated Zamasu with his sword. Goku's congratulating Trunks, and Vegeta's smiling. Bulma and Mai, too, laugh at joy. But then... ?!

Then Zamasu appears again, will beat up everyone until Goku summons Zero. That's it.

[HeroR]

Okay if I understand this correctly somewhere it was stated that base goku and Vegeta are as strong as Goku when he was ssg vs berrus..
This if stated is nothing more than a load of bull crap..

Why would berrus be sooo happy fighting super Saiyan god then? He could have just went and fought Cabba right! I am assuming berrus can't even hakai magetta as he is clearly above SS level and that is a level of SS after base being stronger than SSgod..

I cannot believe base goku and Vegeta are as strong as SS god in base.. at most they are strong as ultimate Gohan in base..

We saw base form Goku take hits from Beerus and even land hits in both the movie and anime while Ultimate Gohan got one-shotted in the anime and two-shotted in the movie. Goku's base form is above Ultimate Gohan by a good bit. Cabba was in U6, so why would Beerus know about him, especially with the dream about a Super Saiyan God.

Call it BS all you want, the anime and the movie shows that Goku took godhood into his being and his base or basic Super Saiyan form are Super Saiyan God.

[Anime Kitten]

"But then..." Zamasu starts to envelop the sky with the remains of his spirit, or... something.

I can't be the only one who wants Pan to do something in filler, or better yet, the next arc.

[Ki Breaker]

Okay if I understand this correctly somewhere it was stated that base goku and Vegeta are as strong as Goku when he was ssg vs berrus..
This if stated is nothing more than a load of bull crap..

Why would berrus be sooo happy fighting super Saiyan god then? He could have just went and fought Cabba right! I am assuming berrus can't even hakai magetta as he is clearly above SS level and that is a level of SS after base being stronger than SSgod..

I cannot believe base goku and Vegeta are as strong as SS god in base.. at most they are strong as ultimate Gohan in base..

We saw base form Goku take hits from Beerus and even land hits in both the movie and anime while Ultimate Gohan got one-shotted in the anime and two-shotted in the movie. Goku's base form is above Ultimate Gohan by a good bit. Cabba was in U6, so why would Beerus know about him, especially with the dream about a Super Saiyan God.

Call it BS all you want, the anime and the movie shows that Goku took godhood into his being and his base or basic Super Saiyan form are Super Saiyan God.

Well what do you know.. you make sense..
Though I do not remember base goku vs berrus happening at all.. I will take your word for it..

Though I would still argue, goku dose not have god powers in base..
I keep him above mystic Gohan (the one without training and about to lose nearly all his powers version ) by a good chunk now,

Plus when beerus fought Gohan, Gohan knew he would be strong but had absolutely no idea he would be so overwhelmingly strong nor did he knew berrus fighting style, he was caught off guard by his humongous power ( goku and sorbets laser ), other wise he would also have landed at least some blows on him..

My conclusion would be ultimate Gohan in his prime plus a good chunk is Goku's base.. his super Saiyan is his SS god form level power, and blue is literal god power..

[HeroR]

Well what do you know.. you make sense..
Though I do not remember base goku vs berrus happening at all.. I will take your word for it..

Though I would still argue, goku dose not have god powers in base..
I keep him above mystic Gohan (the one without training and about to lose nearly all his powers version ) by a good chunk now,

Plus when beerus fought Gohan, Gohan knew he would be strong but had absolutely no idea he would be so overwhelmingly strong nor did he knew berrus fighting style, he was caught off guard by his humongous power ( goku and sorbets laser ), other wise he would also have landed at least some blows on him..

My conclusion would be ultimate Gohan in his prime plus a good chunk is Goku's base.. his super Saiyan is his SS god form level power, and blue is literal god power..

Goku's base doesn't have god energy since it can be sensed. However, his power rivaled what he had a Super Saiyan God. So his power went up even without god energy, which was why Beerus was so shocked. Gohan attacked Beerus at full power after he saw him beat up everyone, including Gotenks and Mr. Buu, with eased. How off-guard Gohan would be or is he just stupid? Gohan wasn't hitting Beerus, plain and simple.

[Oracle]

It's pretty obvious that Monaka hired Hit to kill Goku so, he won't try to fight him again and they won't participate in the 12 universes tournament. Remember all that gold he received from Beerus.

[HECTOR4]

Trunks has finally eradicated Zamasu with his sword. Goku's congratulating Trunks, and Vegeta's smiling. Bulma and Mai, too, laugh at joy. But then... ?!

Future Trunks' broken sword returns to normal after Merged Zamasu is defeated, Goku and Vegeta are proud of him, and Bluma and Mai share a hearty laugh until...?! A liberal interpretation. I don't see anything important but somebody better than me can clarify the synopsis.

The laughing part sounds like a Dragon Ball movie ending.

Thank you very much ^^

[Kanassa]

Assassination order that must be performed

That part of the episode title intrigues me. Are they saying Hit has no choice in the matter? Or does it imply that Goku being alive will bring more bad events? Maybe another God's Oracle fish predicted Goku causing a major disaster and sent Hit to deal with Beerus's pet. Let's Sonic 0'6 this bitch!

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Okay if I understand this correctly somewhere it was stated that base goku and Vegeta are as strong as Goku when he was ssg vs berrus..
This if stated is nothing more than a load of bull crap..

This is true, but only in the movies & the FnF manga. In the Super anime, SS Goku & Vegeta are as strong as SSG, and their base form is 50 times weaker than that, but still much stronger than Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks. In the Super manga, their base/SS/SS2/SS3 forms don't have any SSG power, though it is hinted* that they may have eliminated their Saiyan beyond God states (aka base with SSG power) by mastering SSG after training inside the RoSaT.

*Before RoSaT in the manga, Goku & Vegeta only used SSB, and base Goku survived a ki blast from a suppressed SSB Vegeta.

[Ki Breaker]

Well what do you know.. you make sense..
Though I do not remember base goku vs berrus happening at all.. I will take your word for it..

Though I would still argue, goku dose not have god powers in base..
I keep him above mystic Gohan (the one without training and about to lose nearly all his powers version ) by a good chunk now,

Plus when beerus fought Gohan, Gohan knew he would be strong but had absolutely no idea he would be so overwhelmingly strong nor did he knew berrus fighting style, he was caught off guard by his humongous power ( goku and sorbets laser ), other wise he would also have landed at least some blows on him..

My conclusion would be ultimate Gohan in his prime plus a good chunk is Goku's base.. his super Saiyan is his SS god form level power, and blue is literal god power..

Goku's base doesn't have god energy since it can be sensed. However, his power rivaled what he had a Super Saiyan God. So his power went up even without god energy, which was why Beerus was so shocked. Gohan attacked Beerus at full power after he saw him beat up everyone, including Gotenks and Mr. Buu, with eased. How off-guard Gohan would be or is he just stupid? Gohan wasn't hitting Beerus, plain and simple.

When Goku lost his god powers he was floating in super Saiyan and said his powers didn't go down at all..
The key part here is he was in super Saiyan when he said that..
So unless you believe his base and super Saiyan is just same in power level what you say is not possible..
And about Gohan.. berrus wanted to dispose off him, not play with him..
Goku he saw was capable of being a high level fighter, berrus wanted to let him regain his powers by transforming to SS and was fighting and having fun.. disposing him when he lost his powers would be boring thing to do..

Okay if I understand this correctly somewhere it was stated that base goku and Vegeta are as strong as Goku when he was ssg vs berrus..
This if stated is nothing more than a load of bull crap..

This is true, but only in the movies & FnF manga. In the Super anime, SS Goku & Vegeta are as strong as SSG, and their base form is 50 times weaker than that, but still much stronger than Ultimate Gohan & SS3 Gotenks. In the Super manga, their base/SS/SS2/SS3 forms don't have any SSG power though.

Thank you!

[HeroR]

Goku's base doesn't have god energy since it can be sensed. However, his power rivaled what he had a Super Saiyan God. So his power went up even without god energy, which was why Beerus was so shocked. Gohan attacked Beerus at full power after he saw him beat up everyone, including Gotenks and Mr. Buu, with eased. How off-guard Gohan would be or is he just stupid? Gohan wasn't hitting Beerus, plain and simple.

When Goku lost his god powers he was floating in super Saiyan and said his powers didn't go down at all..
The key part here is he was in super Saiyan when he said that..
So unless you believe his base and super Saiyan is just same in power level what you say is not possible..
And about Gohan.. berrus wanted to dispose off him, not play with him..
Goku he saw was capable of being a high level fighter, berrus wanted to let him regain his powers by transforming to SS and was fighting and having fun.. disposing him when he lost his powers would be boring thing to do..[/quote]

Goku also destroyed Beerus' planet buster in his base form and he was making it bigger. And he still took hits from Beerus, while Gohan got hit by Buu and went down. Also, no. In the anime, Beerus was trying to kill Goku to the point that he dropped a giant ball of energy on his head and told him that he had limits. Goku also never went Super Saiyan again once he went back to base in Super.