Has everybody noticed? Future Trunks arc had lots of firsts

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But they were mostly defeated by a saiyan or a z warrior.

Arguably Piccolo Jr., and the Future Versions of Androids 17 and 18. Fine, cross them off the list. That's 3 of them, and only 1 version of the androids. So you're wrong here.

...neither required wiping the multiverse for them to be defeated.

That's such a superficial difference, though. It hardly adds to the point

[ChronoTwigger]

For the first time ever, the main villain is not defeated by a saiyan or Z-warrior

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo

The Z-warriors lost and failed completely in this arc. All their fighting was totally futile.This is also the first arc where the ending is purely tragic.

Saiyan Arc

This one is kinda tricky, but Zamasu did technically win and his zero mortal plan succeeded. All past villains in DB either died as loser or converted into good guy.

Cell reached his perfect form, and was stopped afterwards. Similar to Zamasu's situation.

Most importantly, for the first time in Dragon Ball everybody who died in this arc will remain dead for good. The infamous plot device (shenron granting wish and revive) won't work. Trunks and co accepted their fate and will live with the consequence. This is the only arc in DB where death has any meaning or value.

At the end of the Android Arc, no one in Trunks' future was brought back to life, the only one left he had to care about was Bulma. This time, the only one left that he cares about is Mai, but they still get to live in a world with identical versions of everyone they had protected. It's only a slight difference, not signifigant enough to call it a "first.


Sorry to be a party-pooper, but this arc wasn't anything special. Even if you like it, it just factually isn't all that unique. There's some cool lore-building, I guess.

I hate truth bringers.
A: major villains of Z.
B:where exactly in sayan arc they fail as the sayan plan was to annihilate Earth and Earth wasn't annihilated?
C: oh no, Cell doesn't even reach 1% of his complete plan. He want to become the stronger being. Ding dong, the fact he loses confirm his failure, while Zamasu 0 mortal plan... guess what... succeed.
D: if your mother die and you go to a timeline where your mother is still alive and grow another yourself... it's not the same. You're not his child. You can't pretend to get the same care. It's the largest plot twist so far in DB: there are irreversible consequences.

As for super shen long: guess what? It can undone Zeno actions. Zeno destroy that timeline? Goodbye timeline.

[Lord Beerus]

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo.

I wouldn't consider any of those characters to be a main villain. An antagonist, absolutely, but main villain? Nope.

All of them except for arguably General Blue and #16 were main villains at one point. It's not even debatable, they just factually, demonstrably were.

I honestly consider a main villain as a character who debuts in the early portion of the arc and remain for either 3/4 of the arc or until the very end of it while having an integral role in shifting the plot. Characters like King Piccolo, Freeza and Cell. are what I consider main villains. You could even make a case for Vegeta and Super Boo, all things considered.

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I wouldn't consider any of those characters to be a main villain. An antagonist, absolutely, but main villain? Nope.

All of them except for arguably General Blue and #16 were main villains at one point. It's not even debatable, they just factually, demonstrably were.

I honestly consider a main villain as a character who debuts in the early portion of the arc and remain for either 3/4 of the arc or until the very end of it while having an integral role in shifting the plot. Characters like King Piccolo, Freeza and Cell. are what I consider main villains. You could even make a case for Vegeta and Super Boo, all things considered.

Does it really matter what you consider a main villain? Doesn't it matter more the characters that y'know, were actually set up to be big cheese?

[Lord Beerus]

All of them except for arguably General Blue and #16 were main villains at one point. It's not even debatable, they just factually, demonstrably were.

I honestly consider a main villain as a character who debuts in the early portion of the arc and remain for either 3/4 of the arc or until the very end of it while having an integral role in shifting the plot. Characters like King Piccolo, Freeza and Cell. are what I consider main villains. You could even make a case for Vegeta and Super Boo, all things considered.

Does it really matter what you consider a main villain? Doesn't it matter more the characters that y'know, were actually set up to be big cheese?

But none of those characters were the big cheese, when it came to villainy. That's the problem. Hell, Android 17 and 18 didn't even care that much about killing Goku. Those two were basically pawns for who later turned out to be the true villain of the main arc, which was Cell.

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That's the problem. Hell, Android 17 and 18 didn't even care that much about killing Goku. Those two were basically pawns for who later turned out to be the true villain of the main arc, which was Cell.

Yeah, after several changes in the story's direction, after tons of backpedaling on the preceding build-up, Cell turned out to be the main villain. They were still the main villains for their select portion of the story.

[szopman]

General Blue
Commander Red
Piccolo Jr.
Dr. Gero
Android 16
Android 17
Android 18
Fat Boo

Since when General Blue, Commander Red, Dr Gero or Android 16 were the main villains? Blue and Red were part of the Red Ribbon Army (in that case, the organization was the main antagonist, not singular members. And the organization was destroyed by Goku)
Piccolo - ok, he was indeed. But he was defeated by Goku. Fat Boo was the part of Boo, the main villain who was killed by Goku. In that case, counting Fat (good) Boo and Evil Buu as both, separate antagonists is like counting Kami as the villain because he's the good counterpart of Piccolo
+ Boo became the good guy, so he still follows the pattern "killed, beaten or became the good guy"

The MAIN villains in DB universe are:
-Piccolo
-Vegeta
-Frieza
-Garlick Jr
-Cell
-Buu
-Zamasu/Black
-Baby
-Super 17
-Syn Shenron

I could consider Androisds 17&18 as the main villains too, but they were defeated by Trunks in his timeline. + Android 17 was killed by Goku later in GT