He definitely has it in his Super Trunks form, blue means God ki. Anyway, it makes zero sense that a mere SSJ2 is able to keep up with God tiers so the only explanation is that he's somehow obtained God ki.ZombieVito wrote:Trunks didn't have god ki there. Hell it's debatable that he has it at all, even on his Super Trunks form.TheUltimateNinja wrote:Forgot to include his new base w/ God ki, it's 100x weaker than his SSJ2 so 106,000,000,000.ZombieVito wrote:You have an error there. Future Trunks base is stronger than Super Saiyan Kid Trunks, as shown in episode 59.
Everything else seems fine. Having Super Saiyan Blue be only a 1.5x multiplier from Saiyan Beyond God is actually not a bad idea. I would probably use at least a 5x multiplier though.
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Well, the idea was that the extra power of Super Saiyan Blue came from being able use the power that would've gone to waste if Goku just stuck with Super Saiyan God: In numbers, suppose the full power of Super Saiyan God is 10, but because of the instability of the form, Goku can only access a power equivalent to a 5 or 6 in battle. But when he goes Super Saiyan Blue, he gets access to the full 10.ekrolo2 wrote:Blue must be an increase, though, Hit was able to stop Goku in SSG but when Goku activate Blue, his power increased enough to break Hit's best Time Skip. Efficiency wouldn't exactly make much of a difference there.
I saw a theory about Super Saiyan 3 a while back that basically said, while SS3 multiplies your power 400x greater than normal, due to the huge amount of waste associated with the form, you can't access the full measure of it's power inside a living body without forcibly drawing it out. So it essentially changed the power boosts to something like this:
Super Saiyan 3: 200~300x base
Full Power Super Saiyan 3 : 400x base
That's sorta what I had in mind when it comes to Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue. As an aside, I'm really tempted to use the SS3 theory in my next battle power list.
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I've always assumed the same thing about SS3, the manga seems to act like Goku can't go truly all out in his living body (and maybe can't period since he completely powers down from trying). I can see a similar thing happening with God and Blue.DanielSSJ wrote: Well, the idea was that the extra power of Super Saiyan Blue came from being able use the power that would've gone to waste if Goku just stuck with Super Saiyan God: In numbers, suppose the full power of Super Saiyan God is 10, but because of the instability of the form, Goku can only access a power equivalent to a 5 or 6 in battle. But when he goes Super Saiyan Blue, he gets access to the full 10.
I saw a theory about Super Saiyan 3 a while back that basically said, while SS3 multiplies your power 400x greater than normal, due to the huge amount of waste associated with the form, you can't access the full measure of it's power inside a living body without forcibly drawing it out. So it essentially changed the power boosts to something like this:
Super Saiyan 3: 200~300x base
Full Power Super Saiyan 3 : 400x base
That's sorta what I had in mind when it comes to Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue. As an aside, I'm really tempted to use the SS3 theory in my next battle power list.
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He was able to keep up with Zamasu on episode 57 because he got a rage boost.TheUltimateNinja wrote:He definitely has it in his Super Trunks form, blue means God ki. Anyway, it makes zero sense that a mere SSJ2 is able to keep up with God tiers so the only explanation is that he's somehow obtained God ki.ZombieVito wrote:Trunks didn't have god ki there. Hell it's debatable that he has it at all, even on his Super Trunks form.TheUltimateNinja wrote: Forgot to include his new base w/ God ki, it's 100x weaker than his SSJ2 so 106,000,000,000.
If he has god ki on his Super Trunks form or not is up to debate until they explain it but since no one commented on him having god ki, I'm inclining to him not having it.
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The rage boost explanation makes no sense, no rage boost has ever even come close to the level of power that Trunks would need to put up a fight. The only one that you could make an argument for is 4 year old Gohan becoming over 1,300x stronger back when he became enraged against Raditz, but that was a total outlier and only happened because he was a small child and most of his power was greatly suppressed.ZombieVito wrote:He was able to keep up with Zamasu on episode 57 because he got a rage boost.TheUltimateNinja wrote:He definitely has it in his Super Trunks form, blue means God ki. Anyway, it makes zero sense that a mere SSJ2 is able to keep up with God tiers so the only explanation is that he's somehow obtained God ki.ZombieVito wrote:
Trunks didn't have god ki there. Hell it's debatable that he has it at all, even on his Super Trunks form.
If he has god ki on his Super Trunks form or not is up to debate until they explain it but since no one commented on him having god ki, I'm inclining to him not having it.
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I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Yep! But how about using Namek Freeza as scale instead? Or just putting up his level as a reference?apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Congratulations on making your list!
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Why Base Goten? He's totally irrelevant.apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Yeah I would like to see yours, I will also do one myself
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TheUltimateNinja wrote:Why Base Goten? He's totally irrelevant.apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
DBZ Macky wrote:Yep! But how about using Namek Freeza as scale instead? Or just putting up his level as a reference?apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Congratulations on making your list!
I will do this list after this week's episode airs. I hope you all review it.emperior wrote:apex_pretador wrote:I think finally, Anime power levels from DBS have started making sense. I can make a power level list based solely on Anime, with no issues and only minor inconsistencies.
Anyone wants me to do a power level list based on Anime? I'll use Base goten as a scale.
Yeah I would like to see yours, I will also do one myself
I am using base goten because it will be easy to use and using namek freeza would make it difficult (like Goku = 0.34, vegeta = 0.35 etc)
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Dragon Ball Boo Arc Power Levels!!!
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Why do you have Goku above Frieza?VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Dragon Ball Boo Arc Power Levels!!!
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DBZ and DBS Power Levels
Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 200x Base
SSB - 50x Base with God Ki
Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 4
Potara (Kais) = [(A+B)] x 10
Potara (Humans) = [(A+B)] x 6
Dragon Ball Z
Raditz Arc
[spoiler]Goku
Weighted - 334
Full Power - 416
Piccolo
Weighted - 322
Full Power - 408
Gohan
Base - 1
Anger - 1307
Raditz - 1,200
Master Roshi - 139
Krillin - 206
Tenshinan - 250[/spoiler]
Saiyan Saga
[spoiler]Goku
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 8,000
Kaioken x2 - 16,000
Kaioken x3 - 24,000
Kaioken x4 - 32,000
Gohan
Base - 980
Angered - 2,700
Piccolo - 2,500
Krillin - 1770
Yamcha - 1,480
Tenshinan - 1,830
Yajirobe - 970
Chiaotzu - 610
Saibamen - 1,200
Nappa - 4,000
Vegeta
Base - 18,000
Great Ape Full Power - 180,000
Great Ape damaged - 60,000[/spoiler]
Namek Arc
[spoiler]Goku (Arrival)
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 90,000
Kaioken vs Ginyu - 120,000
Kaioken x2 - 180,000
Krillin (Power unlocked) - 12,000
Gohan (Power unlocked) - 15,000
Nail - 42,000
Namekian Warriors - 3,000
Vegeta
Base - 24,000
1st Zenkai - 30,000
2nd Zenkai - 150,000
Cui - 18,000
Dodoria - 22,000
Zarbon
Base - 23,000
Transformed - 28,000
Recoome - 40,000
Burter - 50,000
Jeice - 45,000
Guldo
Battle power - 1,000
Psychic Powers - 30,000
Captain Ginyu - 120,000
Ginyu in Goku’s body - 23,000[/spoiler]
Freezer’s Saga
[spoiler]Goku after Zenkai
Base - 300,000
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Super Saiyan - 10,000,000
(Goku as a SSJ was already tired from the fight before, so he can’t use his full power)
Krillin - 25,000
Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 150,000
Piccolo (Merged with Nail) - 1,200,000
Vegeta
Base - 250,000
After Zenkai - 420,000
Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,300,000
3rd form - 3,300,000
Final Form (50%) - 5,000,000
Final Form (Full Power) - 10,000,000
Final Form (Tired) - 8,000,000
100% Form (Tired) - 10,000,000
(Freezer was tired in his final form after the Genkidama)[/spoiler]
Trunks Arc
[spoiler]Mecha Freezer - 12,000,000
King Cold - 3,000,000
Future Trunks
Base - 320,000
SSJ - 16,000,000
Goku
Base - 360,000
SSJ - 18,000,000
Vegeta - 320,000
Piccolo - 1,200,000
Gohan - 150,000
Krillin - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 15,000
Yamcha - 12,000[/spoiler]
Android Saga
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 380,000
SSJ - 19,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 9,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 420,000
SSJ - 21,000,000
Future Trunks
Base - 320,000
SSJ - 16,000,000
Piccolo - 15,000,000
Gohan - 200,000
Tenshinhan - 30,000
Krillin - 35,000
Yamcha - 25,000
Android 19 - 10,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 12,000,000
Dr.Gero - 10,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 12,000,000
C-18 - 28,000,000
C-17 - 29,000,000[/spoiler]
Cell Saga
[spoiler]Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 30,000,000
Worn Out - 29,000,000
Android 16 - 31,000,000
Cell
Imperfect - 29,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 30,000,000
Semi Perfect - 40,000,000
Perfect Cell (60%) - 60,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 840,000
SSJ - 42,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 50, Stamina = 90% Base)
SSJ Grade 2 - 52,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 85% Base)
Trunks
Base - 820,000
SSJ - 41,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90% Base)
SSJ Grade 2 - 51,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 85% Base)
SSJ Grade 3 - 61,000,000 (Speed = 80%, Stamina = 80% Base)
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power his greater than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)[/spoiler]
Cell Games
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 1,700,000
FPSSJ - 85,000,000 (Stamina = 99% Base)
Gohan
Base - 1,800,000
FPSSJ - 90,000,000 (Stamina = 99% Base)
SSJ2 - 180,000,000
Wounded - 160,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 250,000,000
Perfect Cell
vs Goku - 85,000,000
vs Gohan - 90,000,000
Full Power - 100,000,000
Super Perfect - 170,000,000,000
Cell Jrs - 50,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 860,000
SSJ - 43,000,000
Trunks
Base - 840,000
SSJ - 42,000,000
Piccolo - 40,000,000[/spoiler]
The Future
[spoiler]Future C-17- 25,000,000
Future C-18- 24,000,000
Future Gohan
Base - 300,000
SSJ - 15,000,000
Future Teen Trunks
Base - 250,000
SSJ - 12,500,000
Post 3 years - 300,000
SSJ- 15,000,000
Future Cell- 26,000,000[/spoiler]
Babidi Saga
[spoiler]Gohan
Base - 1,300,000
SSJ - 65,000,000
Post Training - 1,700,000
FPSSJ - 85,000,000
SSJ2 - 170,000,000
Goten
Base - 550,000
FPSSJ - 27,500,000
Post Training with Gohan - 660,000
FPSSJ - 30,000,000
Trunks
Base - 600,000
FPSSJ - 30,000,000
Post Training with Vegeta- 650,000
FPSSJ - 32,500,000
Goku
Base - 2,000,000
FPSSJ - 100,000,000
SSJ2 - 200,000,000
SSJ3 - 400,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 1,900,000
FPSSJ - 95,000,000
SSJ2 - 190,000,000
Majin Vegeta - 200,000,000
Krillin - 35,000
Android 18 - 28,000,000
Piccolo - 40,000,000
Kaioshin- 20,000,000
Kibito - 5,000,000
Pui-Pui - 10,000
Yakon - 1,500,000
Dabura - 170,000,000
Majin Buu - 300,000,000
Good Buu - 225,000,000
Evil Buu - 225,000,000
Gotenks
Base - 4,400,000
FPSSJ - 220,000,000[/spoiler]
Buu Saga
[spoiler]Goten
Base - 900,000
FPSSJ - 45,000,000
Trunks
Base - 900,000
FPSSJ - 45,000,000
Gotenks
Base - 7,200,000
FPSSJ - 360,000,000
SSJ3 - 1,080,000,000
(Gotenks’ SSJ3 is 150x his base, so it’s weaker than Goku’s)
Mystic Gohan - 1,200,000,000
Super Buu - 900,000,000
Buutenks - 1,980,000,000
Buuhan - 2,200,000,000
Kibitoshin - 250,000,000
Vegetto
Base - 28,000,000
Mastered SSJ - 2,800,000,000
(Vegetto’s SSJ multiplier, being a fusion of two FPSSJ, is the same as SSJ2. Due to Goku and Vegeta’s huge rivalry at the time, the potara multiplier is the sum of their power x 7)
Kid Buu - 350,000,000[/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Super
BoG Arc
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 2,000,000
FPSSJ - 100,000,000
SSJ2 - 200,000,000
SSJ3 - 400,000,000
SSG - 20,000,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 1,990,000
SSJ - 99,500,000
SSJ2 - 199,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 796,000,000
Beerus
vs Goku - 500,000,000
vs Vegeta - 1,000,000,000
vs SSG Goku - 25,000,000,000
True Power - ?
Whis
True Power - ? (Much stronger than Beerus)[/spoiler]
RoF Arc
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 2,500,000
God Ki - 250,000,000
SSB - 12,500,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 2,500,000
God Ki - 250,000,000
SSB - 12,500,000,000
(Super Saiyan Blue is 50x their God Ki base)
Freezer
1st Form - 30,000,000
4th Form - 300,000,000
Golden - 15,000,000,000
Exhausted - 7,500,000,000
(Golden Form is 50x of Freezer's 4th form)
Gohan
Base - 400,000
SSJ - 20,000,000
Tagoma
Base - 25,000
Post-Training - 20,000,000
Ginyu - 15,000,000[/spoiler]
Universal Tournament Arc
Gods
[spoiler]Whis - ? (Much stronger than Beerus)
Beerus - ?
Vados - ? (Slightly stronger than Whis)
Champa - ? (Slightly weaker than Beerus)[/spoiler]
U7 Fighters
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 3,000,000
FPSSJ - 150,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
SSB + KKx2 - 30,000,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 150,000,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 3,000,000
FPSSJ - 150,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
Piccolo - 45,000,000
Mr Buu - 250,000,000
Monaka - 1[/spoiler]
U6 Fighters
[spoiler]Botamo - 100,000
Frost
1st Form - 2,500,000
Assault Form - 3,400,000
Final Form - 50,000,000
Otto Magetta - 200,000,000
Cabba
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ - 150,000,000
Tired - 75,000,000
Hit - ???[/spoiler]
Black Arc
Future
[spoiler]Future Trunks
Base - 2,800,000
SSJ2 - 280,000,000
Black
Full Power - 350,000,000[/spoiler]
Present
[spoiler]Trunks (1st Zenkai)
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ2 - 300,000,000
Black
Full Power - 360,000,000
vs Goku - 300,000,000
Goku
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ2 - 300,000,000
SSJ3 - 600,000,000
(Goku doesn’t use his full SSJ3 power to knock Trunks out)
Zamasu - 200,000,000
Kid Trunks
Base - 600,000
FPSSJ - 30,000,000[/spoiler]
1st Time Travel
[spoiler]Trunks (Post Training)
Base - 3,000,000
God Ki - 30,000,0000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
FPSSJ2 - 3,000,000,000
(I must assume that somehow, Trunks' power increased tenfold after training with Vegeta and he also learns how to use God Ki)
Vegeta
Base - 3,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
Goku
Base - 3,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
SSB Wounded - 5,000,000,000
Black (1st Goku Boost)
Base - 400,000,000
SSR Full Power - 20,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan Rosè is a 50x boost)
Immortal Zamasu - 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]
2nd Time Travel
[spoiler]Goku (1st Zenkai)
Base - 3,200,000
God Ki - 320,000,000
SSB - 16,000,000,000
SSB Rage - 21,000,000,000
Vegeta (1st Zenkai)
Base - 3,200,000
Base with God Ki - 320,000,000
SSB - 16,000,000,000
Trunks (2nd Zenkai)
Base - 3,200,000
God Ki - 32,000,000
SSJ2 Full Power - 3,200,000,000
Super Trunks - 19,200,000,000
(Super Trunks is 600x of a Trunks’ God Ki)
Black (2nd Goku Boost)
SSR - 21,500,000,000
Immortal Zamasu - 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]
3rd Time Travel
[spoiler]Trunks (3rd Zenkai)
Base - 3,500,000
God Ki - 35,000,000
SSJ2 Full Power - 3,500,000,000
Super Trunks - 21,000,000,000
Vegeta (2nd Zenkai + Training)
Base - 4,600,000
Base with God Ki - 460,000,000
SSB - 23,000,000,000
Goku (2nd Zenkai)
Base - 3,600,000
Base with God Ki - 360,000,000
SSB - 18,000,000,000
Black
SSR - 22,000,000,000
Future Zamasu - 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Fusions
[spoiler]Goku
SSB - 18,000,000,000
SSB + KKx3 - 54,000,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 180,000,000,000
Senzu - 20,000,000,000
(I assume Goku prepared his Kaio-Ken before firing his Kamehameha)
Vegeta
SSB - 23,000,000,000
Senzu - 25,000,000,000
Trunks
Super Trunks (Rage) - 23,000,000,000
Merged Zamasu
Halo (20%) - 50,000,000,000
Full Power - 250,000,000,000
Giant Form - 150,000,000,000
Vegetto
SSB - 270,000,000,000
Spirit Sword Trunks - 150,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Multipliers
Oozaru - 10x base
SSJ - 50x Base
SSJ2 - 100x Base
SSJ3 - 200x Base
SSB - 50x Base with God Ki
Fusions
Dance = [(A+B)] x 4
Potara (Kais) = [(A+B)] x 10
Potara (Humans) = [(A+B)] x 6
Dragon Ball Z
Raditz Arc
[spoiler]Goku
Weighted - 334
Full Power - 416
Piccolo
Weighted - 322
Full Power - 408
Gohan
Base - 1
Anger - 1307
Raditz - 1,200
Master Roshi - 139
Krillin - 206
Tenshinan - 250[/spoiler]
Saiyan Saga
[spoiler]Goku
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 8,000
Kaioken x2 - 16,000
Kaioken x3 - 24,000
Kaioken x4 - 32,000
Gohan
Base - 980
Angered - 2,700
Piccolo - 2,500
Krillin - 1770
Yamcha - 1,480
Tenshinan - 1,830
Yajirobe - 970
Chiaotzu - 610
Saibamen - 1,200
Nappa - 4,000
Vegeta
Base - 18,000
Great Ape Full Power - 180,000
Great Ape damaged - 60,000[/spoiler]
Namek Arc
[spoiler]Goku (Arrival)
Suppressed - 5,000
Base - 90,000
Kaioken vs Ginyu - 120,000
Kaioken x2 - 180,000
Krillin (Power unlocked) - 12,000
Gohan (Power unlocked) - 15,000
Nail - 42,000
Namekian Warriors - 3,000
Vegeta
Base - 24,000
1st Zenkai - 30,000
2nd Zenkai - 150,000
Cui - 18,000
Dodoria - 22,000
Zarbon
Base - 23,000
Transformed - 28,000
Recoome - 40,000
Burter - 50,000
Jeice - 45,000
Guldo
Battle power - 1,000
Psychic Powers - 30,000
Captain Ginyu - 120,000
Ginyu in Goku’s body - 23,000[/spoiler]
Freezer’s Saga
[spoiler]Goku after Zenkai
Base - 300,000
Kaioken x10 - 3,000,000
Kaioken x20 - 6,000,000
Super Saiyan - 10,000,000
(Goku as a SSJ was already tired from the fight before, so he can’t use his full power)
Krillin - 25,000
Gohan after Zenkai
Base - 150,000
Piccolo (Merged with Nail) - 1,200,000
Vegeta
Base - 250,000
After Zenkai - 420,000
Freezer
1st form - 530,000
2nd form - 1,300,000
3rd form - 3,300,000
Final Form (50%) - 5,000,000
Final Form (Full Power) - 10,000,000
Final Form (Tired) - 8,000,000
100% Form (Tired) - 10,000,000
(Freezer was tired in his final form after the Genkidama)[/spoiler]
Trunks Arc
[spoiler]Mecha Freezer - 12,000,000
King Cold - 3,000,000
Future Trunks
Base - 320,000
SSJ - 16,000,000
Goku
Base - 360,000
SSJ - 18,000,000
Vegeta - 320,000
Piccolo - 1,200,000
Gohan - 150,000
Krillin - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 15,000
Yamcha - 12,000[/spoiler]
Android Saga
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 380,000
SSJ - 19,000,000
SSJ (Heart Virus) - 9,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 420,000
SSJ - 21,000,000
Future Trunks
Base - 320,000
SSJ - 16,000,000
Piccolo - 15,000,000
Gohan - 200,000
Tenshinhan - 30,000
Krillin - 35,000
Yamcha - 25,000
Android 19 - 10,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 12,000,000
Dr.Gero - 10,000,000
Energy Absorbed - 12,000,000
C-18 - 28,000,000
C-17 - 29,000,000[/spoiler]
Cell Saga
[spoiler]Piccolo (Kami)
Full Power - 30,000,000
Worn Out - 29,000,000
Android 16 - 31,000,000
Cell
Imperfect - 29,000,000
Humans Absorbed - 30,000,000
Semi Perfect - 40,000,000
Perfect Cell (60%) - 60,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 840,000
SSJ - 42,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 50, Stamina = 90% Base)
SSJ Grade 2 - 52,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 85% Base)
Trunks
Base - 820,000
SSJ - 41,000,000 (Speed = 100%, Stamina = 90% Base)
SSJ Grade 2 - 51,000,000 (Speed = 90%, Stamina = 85% Base)
SSJ Grade 3 - 61,000,000 (Speed = 80%, Stamina = 80% Base)
(He is slightly weaker than Vegeta, but grade 3 his power his greater than Cell's, but he lacks the speed necessary to beat him)[/spoiler]
Cell Games
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 1,700,000
FPSSJ - 85,000,000 (Stamina = 99% Base)
Gohan
Base - 1,800,000
FPSSJ - 90,000,000 (Stamina = 99% Base)
SSJ2 - 180,000,000
Wounded - 160,000,000
Father-Son Kamehameha - 250,000,000
Perfect Cell
vs Goku - 85,000,000
vs Gohan - 90,000,000
Full Power - 100,000,000
Super Perfect - 170,000,000,000
Cell Jrs - 50,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 860,000
SSJ - 43,000,000
Trunks
Base - 840,000
SSJ - 42,000,000
Piccolo - 40,000,000[/spoiler]
The Future
[spoiler]Future C-17- 25,000,000
Future C-18- 24,000,000
Future Gohan
Base - 300,000
SSJ - 15,000,000
Future Teen Trunks
Base - 250,000
SSJ - 12,500,000
Post 3 years - 300,000
SSJ- 15,000,000
Future Cell- 26,000,000[/spoiler]
Babidi Saga
[spoiler]Gohan
Base - 1,300,000
SSJ - 65,000,000
Post Training - 1,700,000
FPSSJ - 85,000,000
SSJ2 - 170,000,000
Goten
Base - 550,000
FPSSJ - 27,500,000
Post Training with Gohan - 660,000
FPSSJ - 30,000,000
Trunks
Base - 600,000
FPSSJ - 30,000,000
Post Training with Vegeta- 650,000
FPSSJ - 32,500,000
Goku
Base - 2,000,000
FPSSJ - 100,000,000
SSJ2 - 200,000,000
SSJ3 - 400,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 1,900,000
FPSSJ - 95,000,000
SSJ2 - 190,000,000
Majin Vegeta - 200,000,000
Krillin - 35,000
Android 18 - 28,000,000
Piccolo - 40,000,000
Kaioshin- 20,000,000
Kibito - 5,000,000
Pui-Pui - 10,000
Yakon - 1,500,000
Dabura - 170,000,000
Majin Buu - 300,000,000
Good Buu - 225,000,000
Evil Buu - 225,000,000
Gotenks
Base - 4,400,000
FPSSJ - 220,000,000[/spoiler]
Buu Saga
[spoiler]Goten
Base - 900,000
FPSSJ - 45,000,000
Trunks
Base - 900,000
FPSSJ - 45,000,000
Gotenks
Base - 7,200,000
FPSSJ - 360,000,000
SSJ3 - 1,080,000,000
(Gotenks’ SSJ3 is 150x his base, so it’s weaker than Goku’s)
Mystic Gohan - 1,200,000,000
Super Buu - 900,000,000
Buutenks - 1,980,000,000
Buuhan - 2,200,000,000
Kibitoshin - 250,000,000
Vegetto
Base - 28,000,000
Mastered SSJ - 2,800,000,000
(Vegetto’s SSJ multiplier, being a fusion of two FPSSJ, is the same as SSJ2. Due to Goku and Vegeta’s huge rivalry at the time, the potara multiplier is the sum of their power x 7)
Kid Buu - 350,000,000[/spoiler]
Dragon Ball Super
BoG Arc
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 2,000,000
FPSSJ - 100,000,000
SSJ2 - 200,000,000
SSJ3 - 400,000,000
SSG - 20,000,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 1,990,000
SSJ - 99,500,000
SSJ2 - 199,000,000
SSJ2 Enraged - 796,000,000
Beerus
vs Goku - 500,000,000
vs Vegeta - 1,000,000,000
vs SSG Goku - 25,000,000,000
True Power - ?
Whis
True Power - ? (Much stronger than Beerus)[/spoiler]
RoF Arc
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 2,500,000
God Ki - 250,000,000
SSB - 12,500,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 2,500,000
God Ki - 250,000,000
SSB - 12,500,000,000
(Super Saiyan Blue is 50x their God Ki base)
Freezer
1st Form - 30,000,000
4th Form - 300,000,000
Golden - 15,000,000,000
Exhausted - 7,500,000,000
(Golden Form is 50x of Freezer's 4th form)
Gohan
Base - 400,000
SSJ - 20,000,000
Tagoma
Base - 25,000
Post-Training - 20,000,000
Ginyu - 15,000,000[/spoiler]
Universal Tournament Arc
Gods
[spoiler]Whis - ? (Much stronger than Beerus)
Beerus - ?
Vados - ? (Slightly stronger than Whis)
Champa - ? (Slightly weaker than Beerus)[/spoiler]
U7 Fighters
[spoiler]Goku
Base - 3,000,000
FPSSJ - 150,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
SSB + KKx2 - 30,000,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 150,000,000,000
Vegeta
Base - 3,000,000
FPSSJ - 150,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
Piccolo - 45,000,000
Mr Buu - 250,000,000
Monaka - 1[/spoiler]
U6 Fighters
[spoiler]Botamo - 100,000
Frost
1st Form - 2,500,000
Assault Form - 3,400,000
Final Form - 50,000,000
Otto Magetta - 200,000,000
Cabba
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ - 150,000,000
Tired - 75,000,000
Hit - ???[/spoiler]
Black Arc
Future
[spoiler]Future Trunks
Base - 2,800,000
SSJ2 - 280,000,000
Black
Full Power - 350,000,000[/spoiler]
Present
[spoiler]Trunks (1st Zenkai)
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ2 - 300,000,000
Black
Full Power - 360,000,000
vs Goku - 300,000,000
Goku
Base - 3,000,000
SSJ2 - 300,000,000
SSJ3 - 600,000,000
(Goku doesn’t use his full SSJ3 power to knock Trunks out)
Zamasu - 200,000,000
Kid Trunks
Base - 600,000
FPSSJ - 30,000,000[/spoiler]
1st Time Travel
[spoiler]Trunks (Post Training)
Base - 3,000,000
God Ki - 30,000,0000
SSJ2 - 1,500,000,000
FPSSJ2 - 3,000,000,000
(I must assume that somehow, Trunks' power increased tenfold after training with Vegeta and he also learns how to use God Ki)
Vegeta
Base - 3,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
Goku
Base - 3,000,000
God Ki - 300,000,000
SSB - 15,000,000,000
SSB Wounded - 5,000,000,000
Black (1st Goku Boost)
Base - 400,000,000
SSR Full Power - 20,000,000,000
(Super Saiyan Rosè is a 50x boost)
Immortal Zamasu - 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]
2nd Time Travel
[spoiler]Goku (1st Zenkai)
Base - 3,200,000
God Ki - 320,000,000
SSB - 16,000,000,000
SSB Rage - 21,000,000,000
Vegeta (1st Zenkai)
Base - 3,200,000
Base with God Ki - 320,000,000
SSB - 16,000,000,000
Trunks (2nd Zenkai)
Base - 3,200,000
God Ki - 32,000,000
SSJ2 Full Power - 3,200,000,000
Super Trunks - 19,200,000,000
(Super Trunks is 600x of a Trunks’ God Ki)
Black (2nd Goku Boost)
SSR - 21,500,000,000
Immortal Zamasu - 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]
3rd Time Travel
[spoiler]Trunks (3rd Zenkai)
Base - 3,500,000
God Ki - 35,000,000
SSJ2 Full Power - 3,500,000,000
Super Trunks - 21,000,000,000
Vegeta (2nd Zenkai + Training)
Base - 4,600,000
Base with God Ki - 460,000,000
SSB - 23,000,000,000
Goku (2nd Zenkai)
Base - 3,600,000
Base with God Ki - 360,000,000
SSB - 18,000,000,000
Black
SSR - 22,000,000,000
Future Zamasu - 3,000,000,000[/spoiler]
Fusions
[spoiler]Goku
SSB - 18,000,000,000
SSB + KKx3 - 54,000,000,000
SSB + KKx10 - 180,000,000,000
Senzu - 20,000,000,000
(I assume Goku prepared his Kaio-Ken before firing his Kamehameha)
Vegeta
SSB - 23,000,000,000
Senzu - 25,000,000,000
Trunks
Super Trunks (Rage) - 23,000,000,000
Merged Zamasu
Halo (20%) - 50,000,000,000
Full Power - 250,000,000,000
Giant Form - 150,000,000,000
Vegetto
SSB - 270,000,000,000
Spirit Sword Trunks - 150,000,000,000[/spoiler]
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Why not?TheUltimateNinja wrote:Why do you have Goku above Frieza?VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Dragon Ball Boo Arc Power Levels!!!
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According to Beerus he still hadn't surpassed Frieza by BoG.VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Why not?TheUltimateNinja wrote:Why do you have Goku above Frieza?VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Dragon Ball Boo Arc Power Levels!!!
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Indeed, and it's not really a wiggling room type situation such as the various implications of the Boo Saga where you can go either way, Beerus pretty plainly comes out and says he can't do it.TheUltimateNinja wrote:According to Beerus he still hadn't surpassed Frieza by BoG.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
I only take into account manga, not anime or movies.TheUltimateNinja wrote:According to Beerus he still hadn't surpassed Frieza by BoG.VegetaSSJBlue wrote:Why not?TheUltimateNinja wrote: Why do you have Goku above Frieza?
Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
Doesn't the manga imply that the Saiyan's are above Piccolo in Base?VegetaSSJBlue wrote:I only take into account manga, not anime or movies.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread
The manga also implies that the Saiyans did not improve considerably in the 7 year peacetime, so they would have to have already surpassed Piccolo in the Cell Arc, and I don't think any base Saiyan was even close to Piccolo at the Cell Games.ekrolo2 wrote:Doesn't the manga imply that the Saiyan's are above Piccolo in Base?VegetaSSJBlue wrote:I only take into account manga, not anime or movies.
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Exactly, Piccolo performs better than SS Goku so unless Goku's Super Saiyan is inferior to his superior than Piccolo base state, it doesn't workTheUltimateNinja wrote:The manga also implies that the Saiyans did not improve considerably in the 7 year peacetime, so they would have to have already surpassed Piccolo in the Cell Arc, and I don't think any base Saiyan was even close to Piccolo at the Cell Games.ekrolo2 wrote:Doesn't the manga imply that the Saiyan's are above Piccolo in Base?VegetaSSJBlue wrote:I only take into account manga, not anime or movies.
Not counting BoG, I usually have them Base Saiyan's anywhere between early Android arc SS Goku to Kamiccolo.
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