Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[TheUltimateNinja]

But it still blow 2x. Heck, if we go what was implied in the manga, Nappa was blow 5,000 with Piccolo around 3,000, and Piccolo got stomped by Nappa.

Characters with 1.2-1.3x gaps can dominate their opponents, yet Zamasu still gets wrecked by the heroes, if anything this just supports my point that he's not even twice as strong as they are.

[Bullza]

Goku overpowers him with his regular Blue power then bitch slaps him around with an KKX2 boost, with all of his limbs wrecked minus a leg.

Well to be fair Goku was much stronger at this point and the Kaioken he used may not have specifically been x2. Merged Zamasu had to have been much more powerful than just double Goku's strenght.

Plus after he used the Kaioken he collapsed immediately which he didn't do before when he used the x10.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku overpowers him with his regular Blue power then bitch slaps him around with an KKX2 boost, with all of his limbs wrecked minus a leg.

Well to be fair Goku was much stronger at this point and the Kaioken he used may not have specifically been x2. Merged Zamasu had to have been much more powerful than just double Goku's strenght.

Plus after he used the Kaioken he collapsed immediately which he didn't do before when he used the x10.

He had a lot of time to charge up to Kaioken x10, and he wasn't really under any pressure there. Here he was completely exhausted, had most of his limbs broken and had to activate it instantaneously to break out of Zamasu's hold. Also, going all the way up to high levels would probably take a lot more time and make him get those muscle spasms and ki sickness again.

[HeroR]

But it still blow 2x. Heck, if we go what was implied in the manga, Nappa was blow 5,000 with Piccolo around 3,000, and Piccolo got stomped by Nappa.

Characters with 1.2-1.3x gaps can dominate their opponents, yet Zamasu still gets wrecked by the heroes, if anything this just supports my point that he's not even twice as strong as they are.

He didn't get wrecked by the heroes. Vegeta and Trunks combined didn't even dent him. Only Goku over clocking himself did any damages to Merged Zamasu and it took both of his arms and a Kaioken that wasn't giving a number. Even, the damage was more cosmetic.

[Rubens]

I believe that Goku using the kaio-ken out of nowehere, even if still below fused Zamasu, would be enough to surprise the latter and break the hold but when Zamasu is beaten in a beam struggle against a much weaker opponent(s), despite not being damaged, I got the impression that fused Zamasu got weaker or his power became erratic (in other words, his attacks would randomly come out either very weak or very strong, his defense would drop or raise, etc., essentially his ki was out of control) is once his mutation started manifesting. Does anyone share this idea?

[Saiyan007]

Goku overpowers him with his regular Blue power then bitch slaps him around with an KKX2 boost, with all of his limbs wrecked minus a leg.

Well to be fair Goku was much stronger at this point and the Kaioken he used may not have specifically been x2. Merged Zamasu had to have been much more powerful than just double Goku's strenght.

Plus after he used the Kaioken he collapsed immediately which he didn't do before when he used the x10.

He had a lot of time to charge up to Kaioken x10, and he wasn't really under any pressure there. Here he was completely exhausted, had most of his limbs broken and had to activate it instantaneously to break out of Zamasu's hold. Also, going all the way up to high levels would probably take a lot more time and make him get those muscle spasms and ki sickness again.

Goku himself already stated they couldn't beat Zamasu without fusion

Kkx10 wouldn't have done anything to him not too mention Zamasu was holding back the entire time.

Edit:

@Rubens

Gowasu already said that Zamasu's energy was at a level beyond a Gods understanding

His arrogance is what really cost him Vegeta himself said that he was just toying with them in the fight

[ekrolo2]

According to feats, here's how the DBSuper scale looks for the whole show:

Zeno
Zeno's bodyguards
Grand Priest
Vados
Whis
Beerus
Champa
SSGod Goku
Lol Rageta
Hit
Genki Lol Rageta Jr. Super Trunks
KKX10 Blue Goku
KKX2 Blue Goku >= Vegetto Blue
Merged Zamasu
Lol Rageta Jr. Super Trunks >= Blue Vegeta

What the actual f***.

[Saiyan007]

According to feats, here's how the DBSuper scale looks for the whole show:

Zeno
Zeno's bodyguards
Grand Priest
Vados
Whis
Beerus
Champa
SSGod Goku
Lol Rageta
Hit
Genki Lol Rageta Jr. Super Trunks
KKX10 Blue Goku
KKX2 Blue Goku >= Vegetto Blue
Merged Zamasu
Lol Rageta Jr. Super Trunks >= Blue Vegeta

What the actual f***.

You should also use statements as well.....

Why are you using the retconned Beerus 10% line?Feats and statements make Rageta the weakest .Determining who's the strongest isn't hard at all you exaggerate things to make it seem that Super scaling is COMPLETLY out of wack.

Besides a couple of inconsistencies(like all series do) it's not hard to follow

Zeno
Zeno's Bodyguards
Grand Preist
Vados
Whis
Beerus
Champa
Vegito
Zamasu
Genki Spirit Sword Trunks
Hit
KKx10 Goku
KKx2 Goku
Goku Black
SSSGSS Vegeta
SSJG Trunks
SSGSS Goku
Future Zamasu
Super Saiyan God Goku





















Rageta

[HeroR]

According to feats, here's how the DBSuper scale looks for the whole show:

Zeno
Zeno's bodyguards
Grand Priest
Vados
Whis
Beerus
Champa
SSGod Goku
Lol Rageta
Hit
Genki Lol Rageta Jr. Super Trunks
KKX10 Blue Goku
KKX2 Blue Goku >= Vegetto Blue
Merged Zamasu
Lol Rageta Jr. Super Trunks >= Blue Vegeta

What the actual f***.

You should also use statements as well.....

Why are you using the retconned Beerus 10% line?Feats and statements make Rageta the weakest .Determining who's the strongest isn't hard at all you exaggerate things to make it seem that Super scaling is COMPLETLY out of wack.

Besides a couple of inconsistencies(like all series do) it's not hard to follow

Zeno
Zeno's Bodyguards
Grand Preist
Vados
Whis
Beerus
Champa
Vegito
Zamasu
Genki Spirit Sword Trunks
Hit
KKx10 Goku
KKx2 Goku
Goku Black
SSSGSS Vegeta
SSJG Trunks
SSGSS Goku
Future Zamasu
Super Saiyan God Goku





















Rageta

The line was never retcon. Fans just took it out of context since they think Beerus needed 10% of his power against Rage Vegeta, when he clearly didn't. Just like Freeza didn't need 50% to smack around Goku.

Also, Goku has much better feats than Vegeta and Trunks. In fact, Goku is well above Trunks outside of his rage boosts.

So Trunks is the weakest of the trio.

[Bullza]

Zeno's bodyguards shouldn't be that high. Whis said the Grand Priest was the strongest not the bodyguards. Kibito was Supreme Kai's bodyguard and look how weak he was.

[Saiyan007]

Zeno's bodyguards shouldn't be that high. Whis said the Grand Priest was the strongest not the bodyguards. Kibito was Supreme Kai's bodyguard and look how weak he was.

Like I said a few inconsistencies here and there but the point i'm trying to bring out is that it's not impossible to understand who's stronger than who like some people claim by trying to exaggerate Super's powerscaling by saying nothing makes sense.

[Freezerbaby]

where did the goku using kkx2 thing come from? he never stated he used kkx2 or x10 against zamasu, he just said kaioken, according to subtitles of course, if anything, he might have used kkx20 since he broke his arms (which didn´t happen when using kkx10) and barely kept up the fight for a few seconds before going back to base form.

[HeroR]

where did the goku using kkx2 thing come from? he never stated he used kkx2 or x10 against zamasu, he just said kaioken, according to subtitles of course, if anything, he might have used kkx20 since he broke his arms (which didn´t happen when using kkx10) and barely kept up the fight for a few seconds before going back to base form.

In general, if Goku just says Kaioken, it's an 2x multiplier. Like when he said Kaioken against Ginyu, his power level doubled from 90,000 to 180,000. But it could be more. The only thing we know for sure that Goku was at least twice as strong when he kicked Merged Zamasu.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is Goku now officially the most badass character in Super? His feats this arc have been insane.

[ekrolo2]

Is Goku now officially the most badass character in Super? His feats this arc have been insane.

He's up there but Trunks remains the king of bullshit mountain.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is Goku now officially the most badass character in Super? His feats this arc have been insane.

He's up there but Trunks remains the king of bullshit mountain.

Power doesn't always equate to badassery, Trunks' weird powerups are kinda eh, whereas Goku's scenes have been thrilling to watch. His assault against Merged Zamasu despite having his arms broken was incredible.

[HeroR]

Is Goku now officially the most badass character in Super? His feats this arc have been insane.

Goku Black in general has more impressive feats given his constant growth. Next would be Trunks, but there're undermined by him constantly getting his ass kicked by Black, except for his spirit sword. A lot of Goku's feats didn't come until he raged boost against Black and Future Zamasu, and his battle against Merged Zamasu. Vegeta is the big loser in this. His only noticeably feat was overwhelming Black, and then losing his advantage once Black improves again.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Is Goku now officially the most badass character in Super? His feats this arc have been insane.

Goku Black in general has more impressive feats given his constant growth. Next would be Trunks, but there're undermined by him constantly getting his ass kicked by Black, except for his spirit sword. A lot of Goku's feats didn't come until he raged boost against Black and Future Zamasu, and his battle against Merged Zamasu. Vegeta is the big loser in this. His only noticeably feat was overwhelming Black, and then losing his advantage once Black improves again.

I mean badass in terms of emotional impact. His determination is really inspiring to watch, you know?

[ekrolo2]

I mean badass in terms of emotional impact. His determination is really inspiring to watch, you know?

Not really no, under the cool factor, he doesn't earn any of the displays he gets. Almost all of them are thanks to One Piece/Fairy Tail hot-bloodedness which never meant anything in DB or Z or even GT or thanks to retcons.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I mean badass in terms of emotional impact. His determination is really inspiring to watch, you know?

Not really no, under the cool factor, he doesn't earn any of the displays he gets. Almost all of them are thanks to One Piece/Fairy Tail hot-bloodedness which never meant anything in DB or Z or even GT or thanks to retcons.

By Super terms his rage boosts have been extremely tame, the others tend to multiply their power levels severalfold. And pushing the Kamehameha so hard he broke his arms was definitely a really cool scene.