Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[ekrolo2]

By Super terms his rage boosts have been extremely tame, the others tend to multiply their power levels severalfold. And pushing the Kamehameha so hard he broke his arms was definitely a really cool scene.

I still don't like it, none of Goku's stuff makes any sense with what happens before (and since this is a sequel to Z, I expect it to respect Zs rules on this stuff). Even Gohan in the Cell Games, one of those moments that I loathe and despise with the fiery passion of a thousand exploding suns is more earned because Gohan actually works to get strong enough to make the king of his "GGGRRR!!! I'M ANGRY!" moments make sense.

[TheUltimateNinja]

By Super terms his rage boosts have been extremely tame, the others tend to multiply their power levels severalfold. And pushing the Kamehameha so hard he broke his arms was definitely a really cool scene.

I still don't like it, none of Goku's stuff makes any sense with what happens before (and since this is a sequel to Z, I expect it to respect Zs rules on this stuff). Even Gohan in the Cell Games, one of those moments that I loathe and despise with the fiery passion of a thousand exploding suns is more earned because Gohan actually works to get strong enough to make the king of his "GGGRRR!!! I'M ANGRY!" moments make sense.

The whole rage boost thing could be explained as a unique property of SSBlue, with God ki reacting to emotions or something. Wouldn't explain Trunks or Rageta, but it could work. Also, there were somewhat similar scenes back in DB, though the power boosts weren't particularly substantial, like Goku with only 1 arm available propelling himself into the sky and piercing through Piccolo Daimao.

[HeroR]

I mean badass in terms of emotional impact. His determination is really inspiring to watch, you know?

Well, I would say Black putting a scythe from his hand is cool and him impaling Vegeta. Him impaling Goku with exploding swords was also awesome. It was emotional in the sense of seeing how far above Black was and how he wasn't like most villains who ranted. He took everything in strive.

Trunks, throwing his sword to distract Black and blasting him. The second time, he sent him flying across country and destroyed his love shack, mostly because that was funny. The Father-Son Galick Gun along with the spirit sword was also awesome and emotional.

And…Vegeta loses again since his only moment was the Father-Son Galick Gun he shared with Trunks.

[ekrolo2]

The whole rage boost thing could be explained as a unique property of SSBlue, with God ki reacting to emotions or something. Wouldn't explain Trunks or Rageta, but it could work. Also, there were somewhat similar scenes back in DB, though the power boosts weren't particularly substantial, like Goku with only 1 arm available propelling himself into the sky and piercing through Piccolo Daimao.

Yeah, unless the show comes out and says something like that, I'm not going to make excuses for it. Hell, if they release supplementary material that tries and succeeds at explaining this stuff I'll take it.
The Daimao scene never made sense to me, Goku manages to kill him while he's charging an attack at him? How? How does Piccolo manage to spit out an egg without his midsection?

[TheUltimateNinja]

I mean badass in terms of emotional impact. His determination is really inspiring to watch, you know?

Well, I would say Black putting a scythe from his hand is cool and him impaling Vegeta. Him impaling Goku with exploding swords was also awesome. It was emotional in the sense of seeing how far above Black was and how he wasn't like most villains who ranted. He took everything in strive.

Trunks, throwing his sword to distract Black and blasting him. The second time, he sent him flying across country and destroyed his love shack, mostly because that was funny. The Father-Son Galick Gun along with the spirit sword was also awesome and emotional.

And…Vegeta loses again since his only moment was the Father-Son Galick Gun he shared with Trunks.

I think Black has incredibly cool scenes, the one where he stabs Vegeta is one of my favorite scenes in Super, but he's already stronger than the heroes so while these scenes are great they lack emotional impact because since it's already obvious he has the upper hand, Goku has been the underdog for most of this arc so it's inspiring to watch him bridge the gap in power through determination alone and that's why I think he ends up looking the best here.

[TheUltimateNinja]

The whole rage boost thing could be explained as a unique property of SSBlue, with God ki reacting to emotions or something. Wouldn't explain Trunks or Rageta, but it could work. Also, there were somewhat similar scenes back in DB, though the power boosts weren't particularly substantial, like Goku with only 1 arm available propelling himself into the sky and piercing through Piccolo Daimao.

Yeah, unless the show comes out and says something like that, I'm not going to make excuses for it. Hell, if they release supplementary material that tries and succeeds at explaining this stuff I'll take it.
The Daimao scene never made sense to me, Goku manages to kill him while he's charging an attack at him? How? How does Piccolo manage to spit out an egg without his midsection?

Piccolo probably produces eggs in his throat, and Piccolo was blocking, not charging an attack. Goku simply broke through his defense.

[HeroR]

I think Black has incredibly cool scenes, the one where he stabs Vegeta is one of my favorite scenes in Super, but he's already stronger than the heroes so while these scenes are great they lack emotional impact because since it's already obvious he has the upper hand, Goku has been the underdog for most of this arc so it's inspiring to watch him bridge the gap in power through determination alone and that's why I think he ends up looking the best here.

Goku wasn't the underdog at all. The reason why Zamasu became obsessed with Goku was because of how powerful he was. He also had a decent showing in round 1 against Black and got double teamed, while Vegeta was impaled and left to bleed on the ground. Round 2, he had the best showing outside of Trunks' new transformation. He started out slow in round 3, but once Merged Zamasu popped up, he had a number of awesome scenes.

The underdog was Vegeta, who Black and Zamasu never really took seriously next to Trunks. Black kept calling Vegeta the warm-up even when Vegeta was beating on him and Merged Zamasu one-shots him once he got remotely serious. In round 2, Vegeta was such a non-factor that you wonder why he was even there.

[TheUltimateNinja]

I think Black has incredibly cool scenes, the one where he stabs Vegeta is one of my favorite scenes in Super, but he's already stronger than the heroes so while these scenes are great they lack emotional impact because since it's already obvious he has the upper hand, Goku has been the underdog for most of this arc so it's inspiring to watch him bridge the gap in power through determination alone and that's why I think he ends up looking the best here.

Goku wasn't the underdog at all. The reason why Zamasu became obsessed with Goku was because of how powerful he was. He also had a decent showing in round 1 against Black and got double teamed, while Vegeta was impaled and left to bleed on the ground. Round 2, he had the best showing outside of Trunks' new transformation. He started out slow in round 3, but once Merged Zamasu popped up, he had a number of awesome scenes.

The underdog was Vegeta, who Black and Zamasu never really took seriously next to Trunks. Black kept calling Vegeta the warm-up even when Vegeta was beating on him and Merged Zamasu one-shots him once he got remotely serious. In round 2, Vegeta was such a non-factor that you wonder why he was even there.

Vegeta wasn't really an underdog so much as totally irrelevant. Goku got wrecked in the first 2 rounds, he even had Trunks to back him up the second time. In the third round he got taken out despite his rage boost, he's been weaker than the bad guys for most of this arc. Also, Goku did better the third time than Super Trunks IMO, he was able to wreck Zamasu and overpower Black despite having a hole in chest whereas Trunks could only hold them off for a while and that was only because he could use the senzu to recover.

[HeroR]

Vegeta wasn't really an underdog so much as totally irrelevant. Goku got wrecked in the first 2 rounds, he even had Trunks to back him up the second time. In the third round he got taken out despite his rage boost, he's been weaker than the bad guys for most of this arc. Also, Goku did better the third time than Super Trunks IMO, he was able to wreck Zamasu and overpower Black despite having a hole in chest whereas Trunks could only hold them off for a while and that was only because he could use the senzu to recover.

Having Trunks as backup for round 1 wasn't that helpful since he's weaker than Vegeta and couldn't actually help him against Black, who was the biggest physical threat. Round 2, he beat up on both Black and Zamasu, despite having a freaking hole in his chest. He got taking out in the end, but Black used a lot of force to do it. He impaled, blasted, impaled again, and caused the swords to exploded within Goku before he went down. It wasn't a one hit and you're done.

Goku was stronger than the bad guys, until Black went back to the past and got stronger. Goku was stronger than Future Zamasu, but couldn't kill him.

[RandomGuy96]

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

The manga's always been clear on the matter, their base forms aren't much stronger than before but they are capable of using SSG. The anime implies that they can switch between normal and God ki in base without any visual indication, but some interpret it as 1 very strong base.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Vegeta wasn't really an underdog so much as totally irrelevant. Goku got wrecked in the first 2 rounds, he even had Trunks to back him up the second time. In the third round he got taken out despite his rage boost, he's been weaker than the bad guys for most of this arc. Also, Goku did better the third time than Super Trunks IMO, he was able to wreck Zamasu and overpower Black despite having a hole in chest whereas Trunks could only hold them off for a while and that was only because he could use the senzu to recover.

Having Trunks as backup for round 1 wasn't that helpful since he's weaker than Vegeta and couldn't actually help him against Black, who was the biggest physical threat. Round 2, he beat up on both Black and Zamasu, despite having a freaking hole in his chest. He got taking out in the end, but Black used a lot of force to do it. He impaled, blasted, impaled again, and caused the swords to exploded within Goku before he went down. It wasn't a one hit and you're done.

Goku was stronger than the bad guys, until Black went back to the past and got stronger. Goku was stronger than Future Zamasu, but couldn't kill him.

Goku only became stronger through willpower, though, normally Black is above him. That's why his strength his cool, he pushes himself beyond his limits to protect the world.

[HeroR]

Goku only became stronger through willpower, though, normally Black is above him. That's why his strength his cool, he pushes himself beyond his limits to protect the world.

That can be said about anyone in the show, especially rage boost Gohan.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Goku only became stronger through willpower, though, normally Black is above him. That's why his strength his cool, he pushes himself beyond his limits to protect the world.

That can be said about anyone in the show, especially rage boost Gohan.

Gohan's final push against Cell was pretty cool, though not as cool as Goku's moments here as he needed a distraction from Vegeta and encouragement from Goku.

[TheMikado]

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

The manga's always been clear on the matter, their base forms aren't much stronger than before but they are capable of using SSG. The anime implies that they can switch between normal and God ki in base without any visual indication, but some interpret it as 1 very strong base.

This is a good summary, I'm actually really interested to see the mangas take on it

[HeroR]

Gohan's final push against Cell was pretty cool, though not as cool as Goku's moments here as he needed a distraction from Vegeta and encouragement from Goku.

Gohan had several rage boost moments in the Freeza Saga. The most memorable being he kicked Freeza's butt after he impaled Krillin.

[RandomGuy96]

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

The manga's always been clear on the matter, their base forms aren't much stronger than before but they are capable of using SSG. The anime implies that they can switch between normal and God ki in base without any visual indication, but some interpret it as 1 very strong base.

Isn't the manga still I continuity with ROF, which showed their base forms being much stronger?

[TheUltimateNinja]

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

The manga's always been clear on the matter, their base forms aren't much stronger than before but they are capable of using SSG. The anime implies that they can switch between normal and God ki in base without any visual indication, but some interpret it as 1 very strong base.

This is a good summary, I'm actually really interested to see the mangas take on it

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

The manga's always been clear on the matter, their base forms aren't much stronger than before but they are capable of using SSG. The anime implies that they can switch between normal and God ki in base without any visual indication, but some interpret it as 1 very strong base.

Isn't the manga still I continuity with ROF, which showed their base forms being much stronger?

The SSG thing doesn't make too much sense as it was stated that Goku absorbed its power into base, but the manga skips over BoG and RoF pretty much in their entirety so the implications of the Saiyans' base forms being as strong as SSG aren't really present, therefore Toyotaro is free to represent them as not being drastically stronger.

[Bullza]

Quick question. In the months I was gone, did the manga (or anime for that matter) ever clarify the age-old debate about what was going on with Saiyan base forms?

Not particularly, it's further been shown that they don't switch between two different levels of Base strenght though. There's just the one base which is shown to be much stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks. How much stronger? Well that's where the problems arise.

In the manga there's also one base though it wouldn't appear to be nearly as powerful as the one in the anime.

[ChiefWamsutta]

Omni-King >> Grand Priest >> Vados > Whis >> Beerus > Champa > SSB Vegito > Merged Zamasu (Powered-Up) > Hit > SSB KKx10 Goku > Super Trunks with Spirit Bomb Sword > Merged Zamasu (Weakened) > Merged Zamasu (Halo) > SSB Goku Breaking-Arm Kamehameha = SSB KK Goku Kick > Father-Son Galick Gun.

How does that sound to you all?