The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:00 am

Angelus wrote:Fat Buu is an unfused SSJ3 tier. Meaning he's around 8x more powerful than Buu Arc SSJs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta is 2x a SSJ. So even if Good Buu is only 25% of Fat Buu's power, it would put him dead equal with SSJ2 Majin Vegeta. Good Buu takes this due to regen
Based on how Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's Ki (the weakest of the Super Saiyan 2 characters) restored nearly half of Fat Boo's power, I'd say that he's probably closer to Super Saiyan 2 than he is Super Saiyan 3. Goku displayed complete confidence in his ability to defeat Fat Boo by the end of the arc.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:38 am

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Angelus wrote:Fat Buu is an unfused SSJ3 tier. Meaning he's around 8x more powerful than Buu Arc SSJs. SSJ2 Majin Vegeta is 2x a SSJ. So even if Good Buu is only 25% of Fat Buu's power, it would put him dead equal with SSJ2 Majin Vegeta. Good Buu takes this due to regen
Based on how Super Saiyan 2 Gohan's Ki (the weakest of the Super Saiyan 2 characters) restored nearly half of Fat Boo's power, I'd say that he's probably closer to Super Saiyan 2 than he is Super Saiyan 3. Goku displayed complete confidence in his ability to defeat Fat Boo by the end of the arc.
But Fat Buu kept up with SSJ3 Goku. Goku was holding back but Fat Buu's regen and technique-copying enabled him to keep up with a SSJ3. If Fat Buu was only half the power of SSJ3 Goku, then he would have been one-shotted the same way SSJ2 Gohan was able to one-shot Full Power Perfect Cell. Same ratio of power, one being only half as powerful as the other. The lowest, Fat Buu would be 6x more powerful than a Buu Arc SSJ. Then again, lower ratios of power have been shown, like Vegeta and Cui/Dodoria. Alright, now I'm not sure lol

Here's a versus though:

DBS SSJG Goku VS Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks (that's 100x more powerful; just multiply Gotenk's power by 100)
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:43 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Good Buu vs Majin Vegeta.
Buu wins. He is still stronger than any SS2 prior to BoG
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Here's a versus though:

DBS SSJG Goku VS Post-ROSAT SSJ3 Gotenks (that's 100x more powerful; just multiply Gotenk's power by 100)
[No time limits for both. No playing around for Gotenks]
God goku godstomps.

God goku is far more powerful than current SS Goku, who should be able to beat SS3 gotenks x100

Angelus wrote:DBS Post-SSJG ritual Base Goku VS Manga Buu Arc SSJ Vegito (that's 80x more powerful)
Base goku dies lol. If this is base goku, who punched the beerus's sphere of destruction, he wins.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:15 am

But I thought base Goku, post-SSJG ritual, was already as powerful as a SSJG

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by apex_pretador » Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:19 am

Angelus wrote:But I thought base Goku, post-SSJG ritual, was already as powerful as a SSJG
If he was, then SS post ritual would be 50x as stronger as SSG.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by TheUltimateNinja » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:31 am

Piccolo (Super) Vs SSJ3 Vegetto.

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Post by Noah » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:08 am

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Polyphase Avatron wrote:Akkuman could beat him if he's not pure of heart.
He's so inherently childlike that I bet he would qualify as pure-hearted.

Well I do not think erasing universes and its inhabitants just because something has bothered you could classify you the pure-hearted.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:40 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Piccolo (Super) Vs SSJ3 Vegetto.
Piccolo gets wasted. By all accounts in Super, he still below the Super Saiyans as he dominated by Tagoma, who got his ass kicked by SSJ Gohan and was only able to hold his own against a fatigued Frost, who got his ass handed to him by SSJ Goku.

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Post by The Monkey King » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:58 am

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Piccolo (Super) Vs SSJ3 Vegetto.
The fact that Super's power scaling is so amazingly awful that people think this is a good match-up is really a testament as to how bad Toei is when left with too much influence.

Anyway Vegetto God-stomps all over the poor Namekian.

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Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:19 pm

Burter, Jiece, and Recoome (post-Vegeta fight) VS Great Ape Gohan (a few seconds before taking that neck-breaking kick from Recoome) [No tail cutting]
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by dragonball0900 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:30 pm

I think it's obvious for Vegito to stomp Piccolo. I have Piccolo at Fat Buu level maybe.

What if...

Tenshinhan (after training in King Kai's planet for 260 days) vs Goku (Ginyu Saga, no Kaioken allowed)
Chiaotzu (after training in King Kai's planet for 260 days) vs Zarbon (normal and transformed)

Just remember that they trained more days than Goku, who got stronger 20 times stronger and was only training alone, and even if they are not saiyans they still trained together at the planet which could make them even stronger. Who wins?

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by DanielSSJ » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:07 pm

Noah wrote:Well I do not think erasing universes and its inhabitants just because something has bothered you could classify you the pure-hearted.
Not in our sense, but I think the Omni King functions off of Blue/Orange morality as opposed to our Black/White morality.
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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:22 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Good Buu vs Majin Vegeta.
Whilst being in Buu's body, Vegeta doesn't consider Good Buu a threat, whereas some days earlier Goku stated that even if he teamed up with Majin Vegeta, Fat Buu would have still won. Basically:

Fat Buu >> Majin Vegeta >> Good Buu.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:24 pm

Angelus wrote:DBS Post-SSJG ritual Base Goku VS Manga Buu Arc SSJ Vegito (that's 80x more powerful)
What Base Goku did against Beerus, Ssj3 Vegito from the Buu saga could have never done it. So the answer's obvious.

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:25 pm

The Monkey King wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Piccolo (Super) Vs SSJ3 Vegetto.
The fact that Super's power scaling is so amazingly awful that people think this is a good match-up is really a testament as to how bad Toei is when left with too much influence.

Anyway Vegetto God-stomps all over the poor Namekian.
To be fair, it's Toriyama's fault to begin with. He's the one who introduced the whole "Goku absorbed God Ki into his base form" concept and then seemingly forgot all about it in the Champa and Black arcs.

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:26 pm

TheUltimateNinja wrote:Piccolo (Super) Vs SSJ3 Vegetto.
What the heck? :crazy:

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Angelus » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:29 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:
Angelus wrote:DBS Post-SSJG ritual Base Goku VS Manga Buu Arc SSJ Vegito (that's 80x more powerful)
What Base Goku did against Beerus, Ssj3 Vegito from the Buu saga could have never done it. So the answer's obvious.
But SSJ3 Vegito will only be 8x more powerful as SSJ Vegito. This match is with an 80x more powerful SSJ Vegito though

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Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:30 pm

Doctor. wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:
TheUltimateNinja wrote:Piccolo (Super) Vs SSJ3 Vegetto.
The fact that Super's power scaling is so amazingly awful that people think this is a good match-up is really a testament as to how bad Toei is when left with too much influence.

Anyway Vegetto God-stomps all over the poor Namekian.
To be fair, it's Toriyama's fault to begin with. He's the one who introduced the whole "Goku absorbed God Ki into his base form" concept and then seemingly forgot all about it in the Champa and Black arcs.
The two-base theory was confirmed right after the Piccolo vs Frost fight. So it's not Toriyama's fault if people don't want to get this and they either think Piccolo is SsjG level or blame Super. The power levels of the Champa arc make perfect sense.

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Re: The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

Post by Zamasu55 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:31 pm

Angelus wrote:
Zamasu55 wrote:
Angelus wrote:DBS Post-SSJG ritual Base Goku VS Manga Buu Arc SSJ Vegito (that's 80x more powerful)
What Base Goku did against Beerus, Ssj3 Vegito from the Buu saga could have never done it. So the answer's obvious.
But SSJ3 Vegito will only be 8x more powerful as SSJ Vegito. This match is with an 80x more powerful SSJ Vegito though
As far as we're concerned, SsjG's multiplier could even be higher than 80x.

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Post by Anime Kitten » Sat Nov 26, 2016 1:35 pm

Zamasu55 wrote:As far as we're concerned, SsjG's multiplier could even be higher than 80x.
But there's no evidence to support that. So you're sort of right. It could be a x40 multiplier or a x160 multiplier.
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