Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Zamasu55]

Merged Zamasu (Halo) should be above Hit and SSJB Goku Kaioken x10 due to both Vegeta and Supreme Kai saying that they'd never felt power like it and they had both felt Goku and Hits power at the tournament.

If you put those two at the bottom then that's the same order that I would have.

Even Ssj Rose Black Goku, as the Toei dude said in an interview, is well above both Hit and SsjB Kkx10 Goku.

He just said Black is the strongest after Beerus. It's hard to say if he counts the Kaioken since it's a power up technique and not Goku's actually power. Plus, it's still unstable.

The problem is that people inflate Hit's power since he took attacks from Kaioken x10 Goku, ignoring that Hit was overwhelmed by Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku before his time skip improved. The only thing shown is that Hit was durable.

Mate, Kaioken x10 Goku was weaker than Champa, so how was he not counted?

[HeroR]

Mate, Kaioken x10 Goku was weaker than Champa, so how was he not counted?

All I said was that the producter most liked didn't count Kaioken Goku because it's a temporary, unstable power-up that artificially enhances Goku's strength. For example, Saiyan Saga Goku isn't considered stronger than Vegeta because he can use Kaioken x3.

[Bullza]

Kinda odd that the producer didn't mention people like Zeno or Whis.

Looks like Goku might need to go Super Saiyan Blue for Arale. Arale > Super Vegito.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Kinda odd that the producer didn't mention people like Zeno or Whis.

Looks like Goku might need to go Super Saiyan Blue for Arale. Arale > Super Vegito.

We already knew this. Arale is Zeno tier.

[HeroR]

Kinda odd that the producer didn't mention people like Zeno or Whis.

Looks like Goku might need to go Super Saiyan Blue for Arale. Arale > Super Vegito.

We actually saw Beerus fight semi-seriously, while Whis just trains. And Zen'o isn't a fighter by Beerus and Whis' statement. He's just ungodly powerful.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, is Vegeta now officially the biggest jobber in Super?

[buutenks]

Okay, is Vegeta now officially the biggest jobber in Super?

Jobber? U seem to think Arale is some weak ass child. She is a ultra powerful android.

[Hugo Boss]

Vegeta and Goku would be dead if that were the case, Hit could take Kaioken x10 Goku whereas Black has trouble with regular SSBlue Goku.

Yes, but Goku and Vegeta became much stronger than they were in the tournament, didn't they? I think they could definetely beat Hit with or without tokitobashi.

Not 10x stronger, it hasn't even been that long since the tournament.

Well, it seems Hit and Goku will fight again, so we shall see how strong Goku got on his own.

[TheUltimateNinja]

Okay, is Vegeta now officially the biggest jobber in Super?

Jobber? U seem to think Arale is some weak ass child. She is a ultra powerful android.

I'm talking about his performance in the Trunks arc.

[Doctor.]

Okay, is Vegeta now officially the biggest jobber in Super?

Vegeta has always been the biggest jobber in Dragon Ball period. Yamcha and Gohan would be jealous of his loss record.

[TheUltimateNinja]

A guy once told me even SSBlue Gogetto (Gogeta + Vegetto fusion) would turn out weaker than Beerus and I thought that was ridiculous, how could a fusion of 2 fusions turn out so weak? But after seeing how badly fusion has been nerfed this arc I think he may have been right.

[MajinVegetaPD]

Okay, is Vegeta now officially the biggest jobber in Super?

Jobber? U seem to think Arale is some weak ass child. She is a ultra powerful android.

I'm talking about his performance in the Trunks arc.

Vegeta had an extremely respectable (last) showing vs Goku Black, and then fused with Goku to end the arc before Trunks rightfully closed it out. I thought Vegeta was treated well for the most part during this arc, and has been for the entire duration of Super actually.

[Bullza]

He's had a much better showing in Super compared to Z, at least from the Resurrection F arc.

Whereas in Z he was always one step behind Goku, in Super they've been equals for the majority of the series. He got the win I suppose against Golden Frieza, then Frost, Magetta and Cabba. That's a better string of victories than he's ever had.

He was easily beaten by Hit and then Black unlike Goku but afterward he was putting up the same level of fight as Goku and eventually beat Black. It's not like Goku has really done that much better himself since the Resurrection F arc.

[HeroR]

He's had a much better showing in Super compared to Z, at least from the Resurrection F arc.

Whereas in Z he was always one step behind Goku, in Super they've been equals for the majority of the series. He got the win I suppose against Golden Frieza, then Frost, Magetta and Cabba. That's a better string of victories than he's ever had.

He was easily beaten by Hit and then Black unlike Goku but afterward he was putting up the same level of fight as Goku and eventually beat Black. It's not like Goku has really done that much better himself since the Resurrection F arc.

Vegeta didn't win against Freeza. He blew up the planet in Vegeta's face before he could kill him. Even Vegeta beating Freeza out of his golden form wasn't much since Goku had Freeza defeated and Sorbet needed to interfere.

Vegeta also didn't beat Black. He got the advantage for a time, Black improved, and toyed with Vegeta with his clones before fusing with Future Zamasu.

And, technically, Vegeta is still one step behind Goku since Goku has the Kaioken that he's slowly improving so he can fight Beerus.

Vegeta had a better string of victories in the Champa Saga. After that, his performance has been noticeably lackluster despite his screentime. He had no fights before going into the future, unless you count him training Trunks. He got dismissed by Black early while Goku and Trunks put up a fight against Black and Future Zamasu. He did nothing notably in round 2 and although he got to beat on Black for round 3, he didn't win and Black got stronger. Finally, he got one moment with Merged Zamasu which he shared with Trunks.

[Bullza]

[HeroR]

You know just giving a gif response is frown upon. If you have nothing to add, don't bother responding.

[Angelus]

Is Monaka more powerful than Krillin? Or by the least, more durable? This Krillin should be significantly weaker than his androids saga self though

Monaka was punched in the face but didn't look greatly harmed. Krillin, after powering up (to full power I assume), taunted base Goku to punch him. Of course Goku held back, but Krillin had to be carried home as a result. However, Mr. Satan taking hits from Cell and Kid Buu doesn't mean he's more durable than Tien (well it was Gotenksbuu that kicked Tien, but still). Same goes for those bank robbers than SSJ Gohan beat up

[Bullza]

You know just giving a gif response is frown upon. If you have nothing to add, don't bother responding.

There's no point in adding anything if every time a comment is made there's gotta be somebody who needs to break it down and "correct" it just because I wasn't pinpoint specific in what I said because I thought it was understandable enough.

I know he didn't "beat" Frieza. I know he didn't "beat" Black. I know Goku has the Kaioken. You knew exactly what I meant though.

[HeroR]

There's no point in adding anything if every time a comment is made there's gotta be somebody who needs to break it down and "correct" it just because I wasn't pinpoint specific in what I said because I thought it was understandable enough.

I know he didn't "beat" Frieza. I know he didn't "beat" Black. I know Goku has the Kaioken. You knew exactly what I meant though.

Then don't comment instead of leaving behind just a gif response that makes you look like spoil jerk. And your post wasn't that clean on the above.

[Bullza]

Then don't comment instead of leaving behind just a gif response that makes you look like spoil jerk. And your post wasn't that clean on the above.

Spoiled? What? Random.

My post made sense. It was obvious what I meant. You didn't need to take what I said and then practically repeat it with specific detail on what happened as if to correct what was said. We know.

This is like that joke on Mr Plinketts review for Titanic where he says his opinion is "split down the middle, no pun intended" and then some other geeky guy comes in and says "technically it didn't split down the middle, it split between the third and fourth funnels so it's closer to two thirds, check your facts!".

Hence the gif.