They keep dropping hints about Gohan

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Beyond » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:40 am

To be honest, I don't have faith in Toei or Toriyama to bring Gohan back in a meaningful way. Gohan should just get a spinoff where he dresses up like saiyaman and saves the day from the villain of the week with Videl, Pan, Krillin, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks as his supporting cast. It could probably be a decent 12 episode series or something.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by PsionicWarrior » Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:49 am

Does anyone knows if the hints come exclusively from Toei? I've been wondering, maybe Toriyama doesn't like Gohan anymore lol

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Big Black Sayian » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:01 pm

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Big Black Saiyan wrote:"Gohan will make comeback."
Comeback to what? He didn't go anywhere
He went somewhere. He went off screen, far away from anything interesting. -_-
Gohan will come back to do nothing interesting :p

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by GodKaio-Ken » Mon Nov 28, 2016 8:00 pm

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Okay I'll accept Res. F as an evening of the score. The rest were minor battles however and minor battles don't really count to me. Especially since they weren't henchman of a villain or something. Basically glorified sparing matches more or less.

I will go back and say Goku/Vegeta could get a win with Gohan involved...the two arent mutually exclusive.
Not counting minor battle and only counting the main 'boss' is really just being picky. Rather they were 'glorified' sparring matches doesn't matter. They won and the showed they were the superior fighting even without using brute force.

And what could Goku and Vegeta won with Gohan?
It's not being picky to want to see the main characters fight the main boss and win once or twice in a series :lol:

Also I don't understand your last question. I'm saying Gohan being relevant wouldn't prevent the possibility of Goku/Vegeta winning a major fight.
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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by WhatIfTheories » Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:46 pm

The question I ask is what is wrong with Gohan now? Is it cause he isn't a fighter anymore? Gohan lost his fighting power because he went onto do something far more important and better. Raise a family.
Gohan no doubt had a pretty messed up child hood doesn't he deserve to finally have a great life. I think so and that is probably why Toriyama is happy with Gohan being a scholar finally and family man.
You know it's ok and a beautiful thing when our Hero gets to finally ride off into the sunset. So just let Gohan have his happy ending is the way I look at it. For me it would be very very sad if Gohan had to fight
again for any reason. It's not only not in his heart but then to take him away from his family. That would be very sad.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

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WhatIfTheories wrote:The question I ask is what is wrong with Gohan now? Is it cause he isn't a fighter anymore? Gohan lost his fighting power because he went onto do something far more important and better. Raise a family.
Gohan no doubt had a pretty messed up child hood doesn't he deserve to finally have a great life. I think so and that is probably why Toriyama is happy with Gohan being a scholar finally and family man.
You know it's ok and a beautiful thing when our Hero gets to finally ride off into the sunset. So just let Gohan have his happy ending is the way I look at it. For me it would be very very sad if Gohan had to fight
again for any reason. It's not only not in his heart but then to take him away from his family. That would be very sad.
It's a fighting anime... so fighting>>>>>> doin absolutely nothing. Who wants to see a major cartoon character do absolutely nothing that adds to the plot.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Abra kadabra » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:40 am

No they don't. I wouldn't get my hopes up. Gohan is irrelevant

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by perucho1990 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:11 am

He owned Pilaf in the last episode, so thats a good start :D , in BoG he got owned by Mr Satan of all people...

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by dragonballgeek » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:39 pm

You people I swear... I'm keeping track of all the people pretending to know if Gohan will play a huge roll in the future arcs. You all couldn't even predict what would happen in this previous arc. :thumbdown:


Personally? I think he will.

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Post by namekiansaiyan » Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:00 pm

dragonballgeek wrote:You people I swear... I'm keeping track of all the people pretending to know if Gohan will play a huge roll in the future arcs. You all couldn't even predict what would happen in this previous arc. :thumbdown:


Personally? I think he will.
He has no chance. There is no way they are going to reverse his character after all these Super episodes.

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Post by Kamen Rider Revolver » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:01 pm

WhatIfTheories wrote:The question I ask is what is wrong with Gohan now? Is it cause he isn't a fighter anymore? Gohan lost his fighting power because he went onto do something far more important and better. Raise a family.
Gohan no doubt had a pretty messed up child hood doesn't he deserve to finally have a great life. I think so and that is probably why Toriyama is happy with Gohan being a scholar finally and family man.
You know it's ok and a beautiful thing when our Hero gets to finally ride off into the sunset. So just let Gohan have his happy ending is the way I look at it. For me it would be very very sad if Gohan had to fight
again for any reason. It's not only not in his heart but then to take him away from his family. That would be very sad.
I'd feel better about him doing nothing if for one thing the series were over. Its not, so him doing and being nothing is boring. Second, if where he ended up was logical conclusion. We never really saw Gohan want to be a scholar or whatever. Even as a teenager we never saw him want to do that. If anything he had a passion for helping and saving people. I think a better conclusion for him would had been him being a Mr.Satan type, where he's a full time hero. I also liked what Dragonball Online did, with Gohan using his intelligence to study Ki, leading to humans becoming stronger. That would interesting. But, nope nothing. Not like he's the only character that is shafted though.

As for him coming back, doubt it. They had chances to do it, but clearly don't want to.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by precita » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:30 pm

namekiansaiyan wrote:
dragonballgeek wrote:You people I swear... I'm keeping track of all the people pretending to know if Gohan will play a huge roll in the future arcs. You all couldn't even predict what would happen in this previous arc. :thumbdown:


Personally? I think he will.
He has no chance. There is no way they are going to reverse his character after all these Super episodes.
They brought back Future Trunks and had him fight alongside Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta and had him defeat the main villain.

Gohan can be made powerful just as easily, probably even moreso.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by kinisking » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:46 pm

They keep dropping hints that Gohan won't be relevent ever again yet us Gohan fans are just as bad as catching on to them as Gohan was with the Potara. :lol:
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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Zeru14 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:09 pm

Kamen Rider Revolver wrote:
WhatIfTheories wrote:The question I ask is what is wrong with Gohan now? Is it cause he isn't a fighter anymore? Gohan lost his fighting power because he went onto do something far more important and better. Raise a family.
Gohan no doubt had a pretty messed up child hood doesn't he deserve to finally have a great life. I think so and that is probably why Toriyama is happy with Gohan being a scholar finally and family man.
You know it's ok and a beautiful thing when our Hero gets to finally ride off into the sunset. So just let Gohan have his happy ending is the way I look at it. For me it would be very very sad if Gohan had to fight
again for any reason. It's not only not in his heart but then to take him away from his family. That would be very sad.
I'd feel better about him doing nothing if for one thing the series were over. Its not, so him doing and being nothing is boring. Second, if where he ended up was logical conclusion. We never really saw Gohan want to be a scholar or whatever. Even as a teenager we never saw him want to do that. If anything he had a passion for helping and saving people. I think a better conclusion for him would had been him being a Mr.Satan type, where he's a full time hero. I also liked what Dragonball Online did, with Gohan using his intelligence to study Ki, leading to humans becoming stronger. That would interesting. But, nope nothing. Not like he's the only character that is shafted though.

As for him coming back, doubt it. They had chances to do it, but clearly don't want to.
Avatar Aang is similar to Gohan in many ways, including not liking to fight or kill, born with great power and responsibilities he didn't ask for, but Aangs story had a better ending, he accepted all parts of himself becoming the person he was meant to be. Even after becoming a family man himself, he remained a power player and continued to help keep the peace. So if Aang can do it why cant Gohan?

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Ssenrof » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:17 pm

WhatIfTheories wrote:The question I ask is what is wrong with Gohan now? Is it cause he isn't a fighter anymore? Gohan lost his fighting power because he went onto do something far more important and better. Raise a family.
Gohan no doubt had a pretty messed up child hood doesn't he deserve to finally have a great life. I think so and that is probably why Toriyama is happy with Gohan being a scholar finally and family man.
You know it's ok and a beautiful thing when our Hero gets to finally ride off into the sunset. So just let Gohan have his happy ending is the way I look at it. For me it would be very very sad if Gohan had to fight
again for any reason. It's not only not in his heart but then to take him away from his family. That would be very sad.

That only works if we didn't See Gohan on screen resolve to become stronger. If Piccolo never died. If gohan never stated he wanted to train again. If Vegeta never made off hand Comments about Gohans Insane potential.

Frankly, if gohan doesn't come back it makes him look like a total hypocrite.

Imagine you have a story where every 100 pages or so their is a off hand comment about a persons insane potential, and how that person is motived to train and improve in order to protect their family.

Vegeta: gohan has potential that surpasses us all.
Goku: but gohan isn't a fighter anymore- he doesn't even lift bruh.

Viewer insight: if gohan was motived by say the death of his mentor and family plus a close friend of his loosing his entire multiverse he would surpass everyone- remember, piccolo died because gohan was too weak- for it wasn't for Whis- gohans family would be dead.

Now, imagine never doing anything with that character. Is that what you want from Dragon Ball?

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Zeru14 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:33 pm

Ssenrof wrote:
WhatIfTheories wrote:The question I ask is what is wrong with Gohan now? Is it cause he isn't a fighter anymore? Gohan lost his fighting power because he went onto do something far more important and better. Raise a family.
Gohan no doubt had a pretty messed up child hood doesn't he deserve to finally have a great life. I think so and that is probably why Toriyama is happy with Gohan being a scholar finally and family man.
You know it's ok and a beautiful thing when our Hero gets to finally ride off into the sunset. So just let Gohan have his happy ending is the way I look at it. For me it would be very very sad if Gohan had to fight
again for any reason. It's not only not in his heart but then to take him away from his family. That would be very sad.

That only works if we didn't See Gohan on screen resolve to become stronger. If Piccolo never died. If gohan never stated he wanted to train again. If Vegeta never made off hand Comments about Gohans Insane potential.

Frankly, if gohan doesn't come back it makes him look like a total hypocrite.
Yep, that's the problem with the whole problem with "next generation surpasses the previous" theme that Toriyama set up, but abandoned, because he didn't want Goku and Vegeta's children and later grandchildren to be stronger than them. Unlike with Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, who also has the same theme, but saw it through to the end(i.e Naruto and Sasuke became stronger than their parents ever were, and now in the sequel Boruto and Sarada are growing to be stronger than them).

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by HeroR » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:53 pm

Zeru14 wrote:
Avatar Aang is similar to Gohan in many ways, including not liking to fight or kill, born with great power and responsibilities he didn't ask for, but Aangs story had a better ending, he accepted all parts of himself becoming the person he was meant to be. Even after becoming a family man himself, he remained a power player and continued to help keep the peace. So if Aang can do it why cant Gohan?
This example fails because Aang is literally the Chosen Ones who are pre-destined to save and protect the world. It's literally Aang's sacred duty. Gohan is just a powerful alien hybrid. He doesn't have a duty to save or protect the world.
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Yep, that's the problem with the whole problem with "next generation surpasses the previous" theme that Toriyama set up, but abandoned, because he didn't want Goku and Vegeta's children and later grandchildren to be stronger than them. Unlike with Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, who also has the same theme, but saw it through to the end(i.e Naruto and Sasuke became stronger than their parents ever were, and now in the sequel Boruto and Sarada are growing to be stronger than them).
That has never been the theme to Dragon Ball. The closest it has ever gotten to the 'next generation surpasses the previous' was when Roshi stepped down against Tien at the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks were the only strong next generation fighters, but they never carried the story except when Gohan fought Cell. Dragon Ball has always been Goku's story, not passing the torch, unlike Naruto where that is the theme of the series.

The main theme of Dragon Ball has always been, 'there's always someone stronger than you'.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Ssenrof » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:15 pm

HeroR wrote:
Zeru14 wrote:
Avatar Aang is similar to Gohan in many ways, including not liking to fight or kill, born with great power and responsibilities he didn't ask for, but Aangs story had a better ending, he accepted all parts of himself becoming the person he was meant to be. Even after becoming a family man himself, he remained a power player and continued to help keep the peace. So if Aang can do it why cant Gohan?
This example fails because Aang is literally the Chosen Ones who are pre-destined to save and protect the world. It's literally Aang's sacred duty. Gohan is just a powerful alien hybrid. He doesn't have a duty to save or protect the world.
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Yep, that's the problem with the whole problem with "next generation surpasses the previous" theme that Toriyama set up, but abandoned, because he didn't want Goku and Vegeta's children and later grandchildren to be stronger than them. Unlike with Naruto, Bleach and One Piece, who also has the same theme, but saw it through to the end(i.e Naruto and Sasuke became stronger than their parents ever were, and now in the sequel Boruto and Sarada are growing to be stronger than them).
That has never been the theme to Dragon Ball. The closest it has ever gotten to the 'next generation surpasses the previous' was when Roshi stepped down against Tien at the 22nd World Martial Arts Tournament. Gohan, Goten, and Trunks were the only strong next generation fighters, but they never carried the story except when Gohan fought Cell. Dragon Ball has always been Goku's story, not passing the torch, unlike Naruto where that is the theme of the series.

The main theme of Dragon Ball has always been, 'there's always someone stronger than you'.
Gohan became the savior of the world when Goku died after cell. Gohan inherited goku's position as defender of earth.

The only reason Goku didn't complete annihilate Buu is because he wanted to leave the task to he next generation. The reason Goku used the spirit bomb instead of getting Chou Gohan and Gotenks is because Vegeta wanted the earthlings to protect themselvesz


You can't just ignore themes when they play central roles in the plot.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

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Gohan became the savior of the world when Goku died after cell. Gohan inherited goku's position as defender of earth.

The only reason Goku didn't complete annihilate Buu is because he wanted to leave the task to he next generation. The reason Goku used the spirit bomb instead of getting Chou Gohan and Gotenks is because Vegeta wanted the earthlings to protect themselvesz


You can't just ignore themes when they play central roles in the plot.
Goku's isn't a defender of Earth by official position. He just happens to be an extremely powerful guy who loves fighting and getting stronger. So, Gohan didn't inherit anything. It was just Goku's wish for Gohan.

What you named wasn't the theme of Dragon Ball.
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Goku barely took a backseat in the Buu saga, at best he took a leisurely stroll round back while everyone else cried for him to come back.

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Re: They keep dropping hints about Gohan

Post by Ssenrof » Thu Dec 01, 2016 11:32 pm

HeroR wrote:
Ssenrof wrote:
Gohan became the savior of the world when Goku died after cell. Gohan inherited goku's position as defender of earth.

The only reason Goku didn't complete annihilate Buu is because he wanted to leave the task to he next generation. The reason Goku used the spirit bomb instead of getting Chou Gohan and Gotenks is because Vegeta wanted the earthlings to protect themselvesz


You can't just ignore themes when they play central roles in the plot.
Goku's isn't a defender of Earth by official position. He just happens to be an extremely powerful guy who loves fighting and getting stronger. So, Gohan didn't inherit anything. It was just Goku's wish for Gohan.

What you named wasn't the theme of Dragon Ball.
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Theme- a major object of interest or concern (as in a discussion or artistic composition) <this dance piece deals with the timeless themes of birth and death.

Considering that Over the course of two arcs Goku tries to pass the mantle of hero of earth over to his sons- I would say it was a major theme of both the cell and Buu sagas.

The entire cell saga's climax was about Gohan surpassing his dad.

The entire climax of the Buu arc revealed how the world was capable of defending itself.

Big arcs revolved around Goku willingly giving up his mantle in order to allow the next generation a chance.

Furthermore, the next generation has been proven to be stronger than the previous.

Goten/Trunks/Gohan/Pan all showcase infinitely more potential then goku

Trunks didn't even need Whis's training to surpass Goku. And Gohan has a implied potential above Trunks.

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