"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Jinzoningen MULE]

I'm going to be the first to jump the gun here, this is why Gohan and Goten are hardly in DBS. Think back, Goku's lines seems almost inversely proportional to their's, and I'm sure that the script writers are taking her vocal stamina into account. It's easy to forget how old these actors are, but it's nice have a plausible excuse. In any case, let's hope that she delivers us the iconic Goku we all know and love never ever again so I don't have spend so much $$$ for as long as she's willing and able.

[JimmyRustam]

So that means there was a little chance that Goten (and Gohan ?) could have been included in Ep69 ?

Actually it would have been clever if Gohan was in it, cause y'know he's intelligent/a scholar.

[kinisking]

Remember how long they took to recast king kai? Even when he sounded absolutely horrible they still kept him. Japan loves their voice actors. There is no way that Gohan and Goten are getting recast.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Remember how long they took to recast king kai? Even when he sounded absolutely horrible they still kept him. Japan loves their voice actors. There is no way that Gohan and Goten are getting recast.

It's ultimately Nozawa's choice. As long as she feels able, she'll be Goku. Besides, I'm sure they have replacements lined up. The guys in charge aren't stupid, they realize that their cast is ancient.

[kinisking]

Remember how long they took to recast king kai? Even when he sounded absolutely horrible they still kept him. Japan loves their voice actors. There is no way that Gohan and Goten are getting recast.

It's ultimately Nozawa's choice. As long as she feels able, she'll be Goku. Besides, I'm sure they have replacements lined up. The guys in charge aren't stupid, they realize that their cast is ancient.

Of course she'll be Goku. She's definitely not that bad yet. But, Gohan and Goten will most likely be sacrificed in turn. It makes sense. He's the main character after all so he deserves the focus. Still dissapointing.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Remember how long they took to recast king kai? Even when he sounded absolutely horrible they still kept him. Japan loves their voice actors. There is no way that Gohan and Goten are getting recast.

It's ultimately Nozawa's choice. As long as she feels able, she'll be Goku. Besides, I'm sure they have replacements lined up. The guys in charge aren't stupid, they realize that their cast is ancient.

Of course she'll be Goku. She's definitely not that bad yet. But, Gohan and Goten will most likely be sacrificed in turn. It makes sense. He's the main character after all so he deserves the focus. Still disappointing.

Unfortunately, we can't even rely on God-Emperor Toyotaro to save this department, he's far too pressed for time. Maybe we can pray for Zeno to make a Nozawa clone.

[Yedis]

Seems like a dick move to have an older VA voice the main character, the main villain in one arc, and two supporting characters.

But I do not know how the process works, maybe she wanted too?

[kinisking]

Seems like a dick move to have an older VA voice the main character, the main villain in one arc, and two supporting characters.

But I do not know how the process works, maybe she wanted too?

The two supporting characters barely showed up. Besides, it shouldn't matter what she wants. I don't think a voice actor should have any control over what's written. It's her job to act whatever they give her.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Seems like a dick move to have an older VA voice the main character, the main villain in one arc, and two supporting characters.

But I do not know how the process works, maybe she wanted too?

The two supporting characters barely showed up. Besides, it shouldn't matter what she wants. I don't think a voice actor should have any control over what's written. It's her job to act whatever they give her.

I can tell you don't have much experience directing people, because that's not how it works. The voices aren't machines, they aren't an extension of the director. Directing, regardless of what kind of project, is a push-pull effort. The VA's have to be allowed to express their own ideas and creativities.

I assume you're not a fan of Yamamuro's directing, most people aren't nowadays. The philosophy that you just described is a huge reason as to why he's such a bad artistic director. He expects his work to override any creativity from the rest of the staff. Granted, this will make the less talented marginally better, but it brings the real prodigies down a mediocre (at best, an "okay") level.

[kinisking]

Seems like a dick move to have an older VA voice the main character, the main villain in one arc, and two supporting characters.

But I do not know how the process works, maybe she wanted too?

The two supporting characters barely showed up. Besides, it shouldn't matter what she wants. I don't think a voice actor should have any control over what's written. It's her job to act whatever they give her.

I can tell you don't have much experience directing people, because that's not how it works. The voices aren't machines, they aren't an extension of the director. Directing, regardless of what kind of project, is a push-pull effort. The VA's have to be allowed to express their own ideas and creativities.

I assume you're not a fan of Yamamuro's directing, most people aren't nowadays. The philosophy that you just described is a huge reason as to why he's such a bad artistic director. He expects his work to override any creativity from the rest of the staff. Granted, this will make the less talented marginally better, but it brings the real prodigies down a mediocre (at best, an "okay") level.

What ideas and creative efforts have the VA's ever contributed in dragonball? Obviously communication matters a lot when it comes to directing people. However, I don't think it's necessary when it comes to voice acting. I don't mind them giving suggestions, but I think what the writer wants should matter the most. The voice actor shouldn't hinder the production. If they do, then they shouldn't have the job. I'll go ahead and say I shouldn't have said it shouldn't matter what she wants because it's obviously just my own opinion.

I'm perfectly fine with Yamamuro's style of correcting. If he was a better animator, then there would absolutely be no problem.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

What ideas and creative efforts have the VA's ever contributed in dragonball? Obviously communication matters a lot when it comes to directing people. However, I don't think it's necessary when it comes to voice acting. I don't mind them giving suggestions, but I think what the writer wants should matter the most. The voice actor shouldn't hinder the production. If they do, then they shouldn't have the job. I'll go ahead and say I shouldn't have said it shouldn't matter what she wants because it's obviously just my own opinion.

I'm perfectly fine with Yamamuro's style of correcting. If he was a better animator, then there would absolutely be no problem.

Obviously, I can't tell you exactly what contributions they may have made. I didn't have a backstage pass. But take a look at Star Trek, won of the most renowned long-running series in television history. The most interesting dynamics between those characters weren't a result of Gene Roddenberry or any other writers by themselves. The actors got invested in their parts, and fought hard for the integrity of their characters. When you've acted for long enough, the character becomes a part of you. You can channel him like no one else can, and the director is ultimately subordinate to that. Whether it be acting, drawing, engineering, or any organized project this applies. I wish there were an official principle for it so I wouldn't have to go on about it for so long, but understanding that ultimately does come down to having that experience.

I know this because I'm an awful leader who lets the pressure of it all get to me before the word "go", even in small projects. Half of everyone ends up working in name only, the other half are totally out of sync with my vision, and in the end, I end up overriding everything they do and putting the entire workload on myself, which creates a worse product overall. That's a huge reason that I'm aiming to be a translator, I have the liberty to be productive outside the confines of a hierarchical structure.

To the lesser point, what do you like about Yamamuro's direction? Say we're bringing in Shida to do a 2 minute cut with insane, borderline nauseating camera movement. Do you really want Yamamuro, even in his prime, correcting it? Because that would happen with him directing, and the result wouldn't be pretty.

[Avok]

Characters shouldn't be left out just because the VA can't play them.

It doesn't hurt to do so in filler episodes, though. But when the actual narrative of the show is hurt because factors like this, that's a major problem.

[Jinzoningen MULE]

Characters shouldn't be left out just because the VA can't play them.

It doesn't hurt to do so in filler episodes, though. But when the actual narrative of the show is hurt because factors like this, that's a major problem.

I'm sure if they have major roles in Toriyama's outline, they'll be in the show. They'll most likely just not show up in the down time, or be balanced a certain way by the writers.

[Freeza9000]

Characters shouldn't be left out just because the VA can't play them.

It doesn't hurt to do so in filler episodes, though. But when the actual narrative of the show is hurt because factors like this, that's a major problem.

I'm pretty sure this will be temporary.

[dragonballhero]

In the event that Gohan and Goten DO get recast, who do you think will voice them?

[kinisking]

In the event that Gohan and Goten DO get recast, who do you think will voice them?

I wonder if they'll go for a completely different take on the characters? Probably not.

[nite_jay]

In the event that Gohan and Goten DO get recast, who do you think will voice them?

I wonder if they'll go for a completely different take on the characters? Probably not.

I think the best way to handle Goten in this situation is have Goten grow up and have his voice age up with someone that's not Nozawa. Gohan doesn't seem as hard because he doesn't fight as much, but hopefully if he does she could still handle it. As for the chances of them doing it, it's kinda hard to tell.

[kinisking]

In the event that Gohan and Goten DO get recast, who do you think will voice them?

I wonder if they'll go for a completely different take on the characters? Probably not.

I think the best way to handle Goten in this situation is have Goten grow up and have his voice age up with someone that's not Nozawa. Gohan doesn't seem as hard because he doesn't fight as much, but hopefully if he does she could still handle it. As for the chances of them doing it, it's kinda hard to tell.

I'm too lazy to check but I heard Goten was voiced by someone else in GT. Is that true?

[AnzuMazaki]

I wonder if they'll go for a completely different take on the characters? Probably not.

I think the best way to handle Goten in this situation is have Goten grow up and have his voice age up with someone that's not Nozawa. Gohan doesn't seem as hard because he doesn't fight as much, but hopefully if he does she could still handle it. As for the chances of them doing it, it's kinda hard to tell.

I'm too lazy to check but I heard Goten was voiced by someone else in GT. Is that true?

Nope, Nozawa still played Goku's children in GT.

[ArchedThunder]

All she said was that she asked for Gohan and Goten to not be in episode 69 specifically.