"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

She must know their characters are so useless she wants them out of the story...but of course....it's obviously why they're such poor wastes of time....it's the only reason...obviously....truthfully.

But seriously she deserves all the best help and freedom she wants. Nozawa is great and I don't want her ending up hurt or sore from too much workload. Her Black alone was a new peak of amazing talent.

[kinisking]

She must know their characters are so useless she wants them out of the story...but of course....it's obviously why they're such poor wastes of time....it's the only reason...obviously....truthfully.

But seriously she deserves all the best help and freedom she wants. Nozawa is great and I don't want her ending up hurt or sore from too much workload. Her Black alone was a new peak of amazing talent.

I can't lie. Blacks voice was out of this world.

[kinisking]

All she said was that she asked for Gohan and Goten to not be in episode 69 specifically.

If she's doing it for this episode, they'res a chance shes done it for other episodes too and we just don't know.

[sintzu]

I don't think a voice actor should have any control over what's written. It's her job to act whatever they give her.

The problem isn't from Nozawa, it's Toei not wanting to recast them even though they know she can't do as much as she could back in the day.

She must know their characters are so useless she wants them out of the story.

Do you think this is influencing Toriyama's writing ?

[Ki Breaker]

Goku dies.... I am way more happy about this than I should be...

What?! Was this confirmed? Damn, what a lame to kill the main character just for funsies in a filler arc, stupid Toei

No this wasn't confirmed, I even stated in the post below that it was me putting two and two together and I was referring to a possibility..
Her voice actress said she doesn't want to overwork, the title had goku dies and next one had counterattack..
It seems that goku dying has a greater possibility, hence my conclusion
Sorry for the inconvenience

[HeroR]

All she said was that she asked for Gohan and Goten to not be in episode 69 specifically.

If she's doing it for this episode, they'res a chance shes done it for other episodes too and we just don't know.

Since this episode isn't part of a main story arc, I don't see the need to put Goten and Gohan in something if they're not needed. There is proof that Toriyama is writing around Nozawa other than fans jumping to conclusions, yet again.

[Bullza]

Maybe it's time to replace Nozawa in general. No matter how often I hear it I just can't get used to Granny Goku.

[FlpShimizu]

Maybe it's time to replace Nozawa in general. No matter how often I hear it I just can't get used to Granny Goku.

They would never replace her for this reason.

[Neon Z]

All she said was that she asked for Gohan and Goten to not be in episode 69 specifically.

If she's doing it for this episode, they'res a chance shes done it for other episodes too and we just don't know.

Since this episode isn't part of a main story arc, I don't see the need to put Goten and Gohan in something if they're not needed. There is proof that Toriyama is writing around Nozawa other than fans jumping to conclusions, yet again.

There was that episode where Goku told everyone about how Goten and Chichi were killed in the alternate timeline. Goten had no lines in that episode at all, in spite of other characters interacting with him. That seems like a pretty clear example of the writers attempting to reduce the amount of lines voiced by Nozawa.

I wonder how Japanese fans would react to keeping her as Goku but recasting Gohan and Goten. I had always speculated that keeping Nozawa voicing all of them would only get in the way of Goku's children in Super, now that the story is made with an anime in mind. I didn't expect she'd actually request less lines - but even without that, they have less reason to push them forward since their VA already has a big role in the show with Goku. So in spite of them technically having a big famous VA, Nozawa fans already get her work as Goku, giving less of a reason to push her other characters.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Maybe it's time to replace Nozawa in general. No matter how often I hear it I just can't get used to Granny Goku.

Nah her Goku's great I'd keep her. The other two however yeah they could do with replacing.

[AnzuMazaki]

Maybe it's time to replace Nozawa in general. No matter how often I hear it I just can't get used to Granny Goku.

Nah her Goku's great I'd keep her. The other two however yeah they could do with replacing.

Well to be honest I'd rather have Goku's children receive other Darrins then have both of them dissapearing like Lunch.
I don't mind Nozawa only playing Goku for the rest of the show, just as long as Super dosen't have Goku's kids dissapear without any mention of what happened to them.

Nozawa only playing Goku will be an ease on her, Goku's kids recieving new actors will also provide less stress without them being Brother Chuck'd, everybody wins.

[TheMikado]

So maybe I'm missing something but why are some things held so sacred that they can't be touched and we make excuses for it?

I don't see a reason you can't replace the voice actors for the secondary characters with similar sounding actors. Shoot with Goten they could even make him grow a little

Seems like general rules are
- Toriyama is infallible
- Original Japanese voice actors trump all other versions
- manga trumps everything

I'm not fan of a voice actor requesting to reduce a characters role in a storyline due to fatigue. I certainly have compassion but feel there are better ways to handle the situation than that.

[VegettoEX]

I didn't read that line as anything other than, "lololol holy cow gimme a break for an episode!"

That so many people are dissecting a tossaway line in a fluff promotional interview for a specific episode is a bit disconcerting. This is, unfortunately, the monster we've created and need to take responsibility for: it's like we're providing too much information, and by extension, people blow every little thing out of proportion. I try not to editorialize in my news and content postings (that's what the podcast is for), and I would hope/expect the Kanzenshuu readership is a little more savvy than the Average Joe.

The "threat/danger level" one was another example; that's very specifically a fluff nothingness inclusion specifically geared to rile up middle school students. You need to be aware that just because something is printed, it doesn't mean it's an academic analysis or investigative journalism. Everything they're printing is propaganda and advertisement, and I caution you against falling into its trap so hard. What can we do to better guide you and put these things in context?

[Nejishiki]

I feel as if exaggeration is present. It's being done for a single episode. There's no hint that she's changing the main narrative with her requests. I'm not even getting the impression that she's tired of portraying everyone else, as others have concluded. I certainly understand the implication, so I don't feel the need to debate it, but the words didn't come from her mouth. If the episode can survive without those characters, it wasn't vital for the main story they wanted to tell anyway. It's not as if the writing staff recently exhibited signs they wanted to create stories for Gohan and Goten during normal circumstance. The idea that they're absent for motives other than authorial disinterest feels reactionary. Sometimes, a duck is just a duck.

EDIT: Well, I'm not sure there's much you can do about extreme analysis over promotional material. It's best to guide these interviews into perspective when the subject comes up, I think.

[TheMikado]

I didn't read that line as anything other than, "lololol holy cow gimme a break for an episode!"

That so many people are dissecting a tossaway line in a fluff promotional interview for a specific episode is a bit disconcerting.

While I agree it's being over analyzed to applying to the entirety of Super, I think your perspective shows the discinnythat is occuring. One person may perceive the comment as just taking a break for an episode. While another may perceive this as interfering with an artistic vision or enhancing character development. The Dragonball experience is deeply personal for each fan and each gets something different from the experience. For a fan of those characters, seeing that possible lines of dialogue which could possible further enhance the character and their connection to them may be excluded due to the limitations of the voice actor is a valid concern. On the other side it would also be fair to think that the missing dialogue and interactions may not be crucial to the overall character. The problem is we may never know what that was or if it was anything at all, so I certainly feel for the fans who may feel they are possibly being short changed by this request. I definitely cannot tell people how to think or feel about this as their experience is personal but I will say I understand both sides and the ideal situation would be to have all possible content for all possible characters even if it means making some concessions.

[kinisking]

Idk, the fact that she specifically asked them to not be part of the episode implies that there was already plans for them to be in there. With Gotens EXTREME lack of lines, I would not be surprised at all if this has happened before. Not to mention, Gohan being completely absent from episodes like 42 made it seem like they were writing him out. If she's doing it now, it's not crazy to think she's done it in the past and we just didn't know. It's not like she has an interview for every episode.

Even if this is her first time, she's set a precedent. It's safe to say that she'll do it again.

[Will]

The Arale episode like the Potaufeu arc is probably an anime/toei only arc, not made by Toriyama so it doesn't really matter.

[nite_jay]

The Arale episode like the Potaufeu arc is probably an anime/toei only arc, not made by Toriyama so it doesn't really matter.

Yeah, I think the Arale episode specifically is written by King Ryu.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

If Nozawa is/was pushing the exclusion of Gohan, I love her even more now.

[Anime Kitten]

If Nozawa is/was pushing the exclusion of Gohan, I love her even more now.

Why? How does Gohan's exclusion benefit you?