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[Jinzoningen MULE]

I intend to modify the timeline system in my fic. There isn't an unseen timeline.

The timeline system in my fic:

Timeline 1: The original timeline. Goku kills Frieza and Cold, then dies of the heart virus. The Androids show up and kill everyone. Hoi shows up with the music box, which is opened using Capsule Corp. technology. To kill Hirudegarn, Trunks kills Tapion and Hoi, and keeps the Brave Sword as a reminder. Trunks goes back in time, creating Timeline 2.
Timeline 2: Cell's timeline. T1 Trunks arrives and kills Frieza and Cold, then gives the antidote to Goku and warns everyone about the androids. He returns to his timeline, and never comes back here. Thus, without his help, the androids manage to kill everyone, including Goku. Tapion event happens again. Trunks from this timeline goes back in time, creating Timeline 3. He returns with the blueprints, deactivates the androids, and prepares to go back in time. Cell shows up, kills him, and goes back in time, creating Timeline 4.
Timeline 3: Trunks's timeline. T2 Trunks doesn't interfere in this timeline. He makes a beeline for Gero's lab, steals the blueprints, and returns to his own timeline. Thus, Goku kills Frieza and Cold, dies of the heart virus. Androids triumph again. Again, Tapion event. Trunks goes back in time, and, along with T2 Cell, creates Timeline 4. Trunks returns triumphant, and kills the Androids and Cell. Much later, Goku Black arrives, kills Gowasu, and teams up with this timeline's Zamasu, who wishes for immortality, and they begin their plan of mass genocide. Trunks goes back in time again, creating Timeline 5. Goku, Trunks, Vegeta, and Bulma follow Black back here. Eventually, Black and Zamasu fuse, Trunks destroys Fusion Zamasu's body, but he fuses with the fabric of reality, leading to this timeline's Zen-Oh destroying everything. The survivors move to Timeline 5 temporarily.
Timeline 4: Goku Black's timeline. T2 Cell arrives in Age 763. T3 Trunks arrives in Age 764, and kills Frieza and Cold. He gives Goku the antidote, warns everyone, leaves. He returns 3 years later. They fight the Androids and Cell. No more time travel (besides Tapion) occurs. Much later, Zamasu and Goku fight. Zamasu wishes to switch bodies with Goku, becomes Goku Black, and kills the Son family, then goes to Timeline 3.
Timeline 5: Main timeline. T4 Trunks returns following the multiverse tournament and warns everyone. Black follows him. Eventually, Goku, Bulma, Vegeta, and Trunks head back to Timeline 3. They come back, accompanied by Mai and Zen-Oh, who befriends this timeline'sversion of himself. Whis creates a new timeline, Timeline 6, and takes Trunks and Mai to it.
Timeline 6: The new future timeline. Whis arrives, preempts Shin and Kibito's deaths, and warns this timeline's Beerus and Whis about Zamasu. Trunks and Mai stay here. It is made abundantly clear to Zamasu that if he attempts to enact any plans of genocide or murder, he will be severely punished. However, as he hasn't done anything yet, he's let off with a warning.

What, no comments on my idea?

To be honest, I'm too sick of time travel. You couldn't pay enough for me to care. Maybe once my fatigue is over, I'll read it and comment.

[TheGodfather93]

Oh, cool, there's a thread for fanfiction. Forgive the shameless self-promotion, but please consider giving my fic a read if you have the time. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11668055/1 ... -Son-Gohan

I intend to modify the timeline system in my fic. There isn't an unseen timeline.

The timeline system in my fic:

Timeline 1: The original timeline. Goku kills Frieza and Cold, then dies of the heart virus. The Androids show up and kill everyone. Hoi shows up with the music box, which is opened using Capsule Corp. technology. To kill Hirudegarn, Trunks kills Tapion and Hoi, and keeps the Brave Sword as a reminder. Trunks goes back in time, creating Timeline 2.
Timeline 2: Cell's timeline. T1 Trunks arrives and kills Frieza and Cold, then gives the antidote to Goku and warns everyone about the androids. He returns to his timeline, and never comes back here. Thus, without his help, the androids manage to kill everyone, including Goku. Tapion event happens again. Trunks from this timeline goes back in time, creating Timeline 3. He returns with the blueprints, deactivates the androids, and prepares to go back in time. Cell shows up, kills him, and goes back in time, creating Timeline 4.
Timeline 3: Trunks's timeline. T2 Trunks doesn't interfere in this timeline. He makes a beeline for Gero's lab, steals the blueprints, and returns to his own timeline. Thus, Goku kills Frieza and Cold, dies of the heart virus. Androids triumph again. Again, Tapion event. Trunks goes back in time, and, along with T2 Cell, creates Timeline 4. Trunks returns triumphant, and kills the Androids and Cell. Much later, Goku Black arrives, kills Gowasu, and teams up with this timeline's Zamasu, who wishes for immortality, and they begin their plan of mass genocide. Trunks goes back in time again, creating Timeline 5. Goku, Trunks, Vegeta, and Bulma follow Black back here. Eventually, Black and Zamasu fuse, Trunks destroys Fusion Zamasu's body, but he fuses with the fabric of reality, leading to this timeline's Zen-Oh destroying everything. The survivors move to Timeline 5 temporarily.
Timeline 4: Goku Black's timeline. T2 Cell arrives in Age 763. T3 Trunks arrives in Age 764, and kills Frieza and Cold. He gives Goku the antidote, warns everyone, leaves. He returns 3 years later. They fight the Androids and Cell. No more time travel (besides Tapion) occurs. Much later, Zamasu and Goku fight. Zamasu wishes to switch bodies with Goku, becomes Goku Black, and kills the Son family, then goes to Timeline 3.
Timeline 5: Main timeline. T4 Trunks returns following the multiverse tournament and warns everyone. Black follows him. Eventually, Goku, Bulma, Vegeta, and Trunks head back to Timeline 3. They come back, accompanied by Mai and Zen-Oh, who befriends this timeline'sversion of himself. Whis creates a new timeline, Timeline 6, and takes Trunks and Mai to it.
Timeline 6: The new future timeline. Whis arrives, preempts Shin and Kibito's deaths, and warns this timeline's Beerus and Whis about Zamasu. Trunks and Mai stay here. It is made abundantly clear to Zamasu that if he attempts to enact any plans of genocide or murder, he will be severely punished. However, as he hasn't done anything yet, he's let off with a warning.

What, no comments on my idea?

Ehh, thinking too much about all the different timelines in Dragon Ball, and how they connect to each other, gives me a headache. Kudos to you for trying to make sense of it. From what I can see though, this looks quite comprehensive.

[Anime Kitten]

Determining the power of the various methods of Fusion. Keep in mind that my fanfic's rules apply, and as such, these differ quite a bit from the normal franchise.

Metamoran Dance: Fusee 1 + Fusee 2
Fusees must be compatible, but can be of differing power levels.

Spoiler:

60 minutes (Base),
30 minutes (Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2),
5 minutes (Super Saiyan 3),
1 minute (Super Saiyan God),
45 minutes (Super Saiyan Blue/Super Saiyan 4).

Potara Earrings: Fusee 1 x Fusee 2
Fusees are not required to be compatible, and can be of differing power levels.

Spoiler:

Permanent.

EX-Fusion: 50% Fusee 1 + 50% Fusee 2
Fusees must be compatible, but can be of differing power levels. Useful for tournaments.

Spoiler:

Permanent. Can be undone at any point.

Maxi-Fusion: [Fuser x (Fusee 1 + Fusee 2 + Fusee 3 + Fusee 4)]
All Fusees must be compatible. Failure to meet this requirement results in gradual but massive power decrease. Drains Fusees' energy when undone.

Spoiler:

If compatibility is met, permanent. Can be turned off at will.
If compatibility is not met, lasts until the Fusion's body gives out from pressure. Can be turned off at will.

Thoughts?

[Helios518]

Determining the power of the various methods of Fusion. Keep in mind that my fanfic's rules apply, and as such, these differ quite a bit from the normal franchise.


Thoughts?

I like the Metamoran fusion being just additive but I think the Potara Earring boost and Maxi Fusion are too good. I think it would be better to have the Potara's formula as A + B x number you see fit and I don't know how to deal with Maxi Fusion as I don't know much about Fusions.

[Anime Kitten]

I like the Metamoran fusion being just additive but I think the Potara Earring boost and Maxi Fusion are too good. I think it would be better to have the Potara's formula as A + B x number you see fit and I don't know how to deal with Maxi Fusion as I don't know much about Fusions.

The Potara has a major disadvantage because it cannot be undone, period. Not even with the Dragon Balls. Of course, I'll write in some way for it to be undone for the sake of the plot, such as time travel, space control, etc, but not by normal means.

Maxi-Fusion is harder than it seems. It's not like the Super Saiyan God ritual where you need five righteous Saiyans; you need five people each compatible with each of the other Fusees. It can be done with incompatible members, but it results in disastrous consequences. Even if done correctly, it drains the Fusees' energy for a long time afterward, and would more than likely bring strain to some members.

Hopefully that makes sense. In essence, you reap what you sow. The requirements have to be fulfilled.

[Doctor.]

Determining the power of the various methods of Fusion. Keep in mind that my fanfic's rules apply, and as such, these differ quite a bit from the normal franchise.

Metamoran Dance: Fusee 1 + Fusee 2
Fusees must be compatible, but can be of differing power levels.

Spoiler:

60 minutes (Base),
30 minutes (Super Saiyan/Super Saiyan 2),
5 minutes (Super Saiyan 3),
1 minute (Super Saiyan God),
45 minutes (Super Saiyan Blue/Super Saiyan 4).

Potara Earrings: Fusee 1 x Fusee 2
Fusees are not required to be compatible, and can be of differing power levels.

Spoiler:

Permanent.

EX-Fusion: 50% Fusee 1 + 50% Fusee 2
Fusees must be compatible, but can be of differing power levels. Useful for tournaments.

Spoiler:

Permanent. Can be undone at any point.

Maxi-Fusion: [Fuser x (Fusee 1 + Fusee 2 + Fusee 3 + Fusee 4)]
All Fusees must be compatible. Failure to meet this requirement results in gradual but massive power decrease. Drains Fusees' energy when undone.

Spoiler:

If compatibility is met, permanent. Can be turned off at will.
If compatibility is not met, lasts until the Fusion's body gives out from pressure. Can be turned off at will.

Thoughts?

45 minutes for SSB/4 or 45 seconds?

[Anime Kitten]

45 minutes for SSB/4 or 45 seconds?

45 minutes. Super Saiyan Blue and 4 have mastered Ki control. The downside is eventual stamina issues and, you know, universe-shattering power.

[Sailor Haumea]

So, what, you're not going with the 1 hour thing for Potara?

I honestly prefer the time limit...

[ekrolo2]

I'd maybe add a small multiplier to the fusion dance, there's no way in hell Goten + Trunks + Gotenks' SS is enough to put him on par with SS3 Goku.

[Anime Kitten]

So, what, you're not going with the 1 hour thing for Potara?
I honestly prefer the time limit...

No, as it negates the need for the Metamoran Dance. Just little tidbits to help balance out the various methods in their own ways.

I'd maybe add a small multiplier to the fusion dance, there's no way in hell Goten + Trunks + Gotenks' SS is enough to put him on par with SS3 Goku.

Well, as mentioned at the beginning of the post, my fanfic's rules apply, so I'm not accounting for power boosts such as that. Though I suppose perfect compatibility could potentially result in a multiplier. I prefer to keep things simple so I don't have to do more math than I need to.

[Helios518]

I like the Metamoran fusion being just additive but I think the Potara Earring boost and Maxi Fusion are too good. I think it would be better to have the Potara's formula as A + B x number you see fit and I don't know how to deal with Maxi Fusion as I don't know much about Fusions.

The Potara has a major disadvantage because it cannot be undone, period. Not even with the Dragon Balls. Of course, I'll write in some way for it to be undone for the sake of the plot, such as time travel, space control, etc, but not by normal means.

Maxi-Fusion is harder than it seems. It's not like the Super Saiyan God ritual where you need five righteous Saiyans; you need five people each compatible with each of the other Fusees. It can be done with incompatible members, but it results in disastrous consequences. Even if done correctly, it drains the Fusees' energy for a long time afterward, and would more than likely bring strain to some members.

Hopefully that makes sense. In essence, you reap what you sow. The requirements have to be fulfilled.

Yeah but Jesus, I still think that power boost is intense and asking for power creep. For example (using your formulas), Current Goku potara fusing with the farmer would be stronger fusion than a Current Gogeta and by a good bit. Lets not even talk about how Kibito Kai should be a monster making Boo look like a wimp.

[Anime Kitten]

Yeah but Jesus, I still think that power boost is intense and asking for power creep. For example (using your formulas), Current Goku potara fusing with the farmer would be a stronger fusion than a Current Gogeta and by a good bit. Lets not even talk about how Kibito Kai should be a monster making Boo look like a wimp.

Toriyama-style explanation!

The Potara are meant for godly beings, so humans utilizing their power is an extremely rare occurrence. Because of this, humans cannot bring out the Potara's multiplier perfectly. As such, usually about 20-25% of their power will be multiplied into the Fusion. Even godly beings can only contribute 40-50% of their power. Only with a perfect bond and completely synchronized power can the Potara be used to their full extent, which is said to have never been done in the past.

How's that? That should keep it considerably higher than the Metamoran Dance, while not making it insanely high.

[SilverArmada]

This sounds awesome! If One Piece does anything right, it's the whole adventure feel and I think Dragon Ball's cosmology could really use a good story like that to make it seem less empty. Kudos on using a more obscure character too, as much as I like the main cast, not every story needs to revolve around them.

Thanks. That's exactly what I was thinking, Dragon Ball's Universe is so small it's actually annoying. I plan to make use of everything we were given: Freeza's remnant army, the Galactic Patrol and the Gods. The last one I'll be careful with, since their power can break the story if mishandled.
Regarding the Gods, I'll focus on the effects they had more than the present ones. One idea is a planet which has a sleeper army created by a Kaioshin millions of years ago. But time passed, the army was never awoken and the Kaioshin never showed up again, so the army turned into a temple full of powerful warriors following a distorted set of values with roots on their previous mission.

I rarely write story's based on the main cast, it's so uninteresting overall to me.

YES YES, THIS!! I feel like Toriyama set up a huge universe but then didn't explore a lot of it. Which I do in my fanfic, is just make it huge and put planets and nations all over the place. So if you start this story, please let me know - I definitely will support and read it. Dragonball has a lot of great concepts in it to be explored with characters outside of Goku and Vegeta. DB has sci-fi elements along with fantasy - magic, psychic powers, etc. So you can create a wide array of characters and they can fit right in. I have one original character who has artificial muscles and thus has super strength because of it (sci-fi), and another that has telepathic and telekinetic powers (fantasy). Which is what makes writing fanfic in the DB universe so fun.

Edit: I forgot to add, that Frieza's organization (Planetary Trade Organization/PTO as some call it) is basically an organized crime syndicate. So you can have organized crime, rogue governments, failed states, etc., with people all vying for power in various ways. In my fic, I've also created methods to suppress, measure and track the usage of ki as well as identify individuals based on their ki signature via a special scan, which opens up more potential obstacles for people too. OH and since the universe is so huge, you can separate off parts where Frieza's army never went/were never known about, etc. It's free reign to go wild with awesome ideas, and crazy new ideas feel very Dragonball to me so I love them.

[Helios518]

Yeah but Jesus, I still think that power boost is intense and asking for power creep. For example (using your formulas), Current Goku potara fusing with the farmer would be a stronger fusion than a Current Gogeta and by a good bit. Lets not even talk about how Kibito Kai should be a monster making Boo look like a wimp.

Toriyama-style explanation!

The Potara are meant for godly beings, so humans utilizing their power is an extremely rare occurrence. Because of this, humans cannot bring out the Potara's multiplier perfectly. As such, usually about 20-25% of their power will be multiplied into the Fusion. Even godly beings can only contribute 40-50% of their power. Only with a perfect bond and completely synchronized power can the Potara be used to their full extent, which is said to have never been done in the past.

How's that? That should keep it considerably higher than the Metamoran Dance, while not making it insanely high.

Love the explanation but the problem is still there and still quite big albeit smaller than before. Let's use number to show the problem

[spoiler]To start this, the number we're going to use is 30,000 for both characters.

Metamoran Fusion: 30,000 + 30,000 = 60,000

Potara Fusion: 300 x 300 = 90,000

Do you think something is weird about the Potara formula I used? Well you're right, I used only 1% of each of the fusees' power for the Potaras and it's still stronger albeit by 1.5x.

What would would the product be if I used 20% of fusees' power? 6,000 x 6,000 = 36,000,000 aka 600x stronger than the Metamoran Fusion.



Also the gap gets bigger and bigger the more the individual fusees power grow

Metamoran Fusion: 300,000 + 300,000 = 600,000

Potara Fusion (1%): 3,000 x 3,000 = 9,000,000

Potara Fusion (20%): 60,000 x 60,000 = 3,600,000,000

That original 1.5/600x difference between the Metamoran & Potaras is now a 15/6,000x difference.

Also apologies in advance, if this is annoying you.[/spoiler]

[ekrolo2]

The issue with an A x B Potara formula is easily visible by applying it to the series proper: Goku x Vegeta would result in a Base Vegetto who's PL would go into the quadrillion range

And keep in mind, this is me having Base Saiyan's as inferiors to Max Namek Freeza.

[Doctor.]

The issue with an A x B Potara formula is easily visible by applying it to the series proper: Goku x Vegeta would result in a Base Vegetto who's PL would go into the quadrillion range

And keep in mind, this is me having Base Saiyan's as inferiors to Max Namek Freeza.

I think (A+B)x2 and (A+B)x5 for the dance and Potara respectively would be decent enough.

[ekrolo2]

The issue with an A x B Potara formula is easily visible by applying it to the series proper: Goku x Vegeta would result in a Base Vegetto who's PL would go into the quadrillion range

And keep in mind, this is me having Base Saiyan's as inferiors to Max Namek Freeza.

I think (A+B)x2 and (A+B)x5 for the dance and Potara respectively would be decent enough.

I generally favor that same principle except with bigger multipliers once the adding is done. The dance needs to be a decent one for SS Gotenks to be on par or over SS3 Goku and Vegetto needs an even larger one than that to get that far in Base.

[Doctor.]

The dance needs to be a decent one for SS Gotenks to be on par or over SS3 Goku and Vegetto needs an even larger one than that to get that far in Base.

Ah, see, I don't have that problem since I already consider the kids to be almost as strong as their fathers.

[ekrolo2]

The dance needs to be a decent one for SS Gotenks to be on par or over SS3 Goku and Vegetto needs an even larger one than that to get that far in Base.

Ah, see, I don't have that problem since I already consider the kids to be almost as strong as their fathers.

I don't have them far off either but I think a decent gap has to exist to fit scrub Gohan in-between them.

[Doctor.]

The dance needs to be a decent one for SS Gotenks to be on par or over SS3 Goku and Vegetto needs an even larger one than that to get that far in Base.

Ah, see, I don't have that problem since I already consider the kids to be almost as strong as their fathers.

I don't have them far off either but I think a decent gap has to exist to fit scrub Gohan in-between them.

It was never stated or implied that scrub Gohan was stronger than Trunks