Doctor. wrote:I go by the "Toriyama and Toei can't keep consistency and forgot all about the God Ki in base thing, so their base got retconned back to Boo arc levels in the Champa and Black arcs, and poor Toyotaro got caught up in the middle of this and tried to salvage what he could" theory.
*got retconned back to Boo arc levels in the U6 arc*
Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
To be fair, Anime!Black and Zamasu were only SS2-3 tier before Black's first trip to the past. So, much weaker than Super Boo.
Only if you go by the two base theory
I go by the "Toriyama and Toei can't keep consistency and forgot all about the God Ki in base thing, so their base got retconned back to Boo arc levels in the Champa and Black arcs, and poor Toyotaro got caught up in the middle of this and tried to salvage what he could" theory.
Anything solid backing that up? Besides incredulity of Piccolo and Trunks suddenly becoming dozens of times more powerful each yet curiously exactly as strong in relation to Goku and Vegeta as they were before.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Doctor. wrote:I go by the "Toriyama and Toei can't keep consistency and forgot all about the God Ki in base thing, so their base got retconned back to Boo arc levels in the Champa and Black arcs, and poor Toyotaro got caught up in the middle of this and tried to salvage what he could" theory.
*got retconned back to Boo arc levels in the U6 arc*
Doctor. wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
Only if you go by the two base theory
I go by the "Toriyama and Toei can't keep consistency and forgot all about the God Ki in base thing, so their base got retconned back to Boo arc levels in the Champa and Black arcs, and poor Toyotaro got caught up in the middle of this and tried to salvage what he could" theory.
Anything solid backing that up? Besides incredulity of Piccolo and Trunks suddenly becoming dozens of times more powerful each yet curiously exactly as strong in relation to Goku and Vegeta as they were before.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
So I'll repost this here as Dragon Ball Fusions allows this hilarious wonder.
SUPER SAIYAN 4 SUPER SAIYAN!
As you can see this is the SSJ transformation ability in the game, combined with the fusion of a Saiyan CAC and Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Super Saiyan 4 Super Saiyan! It's the fanfic SSJ4 come to life .
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:As you can see this is the SSJ transformation ability in the game, combined with the fusion of a Saiyan CAC and Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Super Saiyan 4 Super Saiyan! It's the fanfic SSJ4 come to life .
Is it possible to combine SS3 with SS4?
Otherwise yeah, that's how I wanted SS4 to look like. The downside is that it might be too bright. From a design standpoint SS4 has a good mesh of colors in red and black, whereas this design might have too much yellow/gold. In my preferred take their entire bodies would be covered in yellow/golden fur, which would probably be too much. We can see that even Golden Freeza was not uniform Golden, he had two shades of gold and some purple to compliment it, which made it a bit easier on the eyes.
When someone tells you, "Don't present your opinion as fact," what they're actually saying is, "Don't present your opinion with any conviction. Because I don't like your opinion, and I want to be able to dismiss it as easily as possible." Don't fall for it.
How the Black Arc Should End (by Lightbing!):
Spoiler:
Absolute Zamasu(my name for their fusion) wins. He fulfils his utopia and dwells in his loneliness(x amount of time for this to happen). He starts to doubt of his achievements, Goku's body influences him to seek out challenges but there's nothing. Perfection becomes a curse. Absolute Zamasu starts to dread his existence and presents himself to the Omni-King, detailing on his actions.
Using his powers the Omni-King restores everything to the moment before Goku and Vegeta perish, humanity's last barrier. Zamasu concedes. He ask for forgiveness(mainly to Goku, Gowasu and Trunks) and understands that his justice isn't justice at all. He asks for judgement and the Omni-King delivers.
Trunks is forced never to travel in time ever again, all the time-machines are destroyed.
4chan memes, featuring Zamasu.
FUCKING NINGEN GET OUT REEEEEEE.
The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Can hope that never happens maybe.
You don't like Gohan?
Oh I enjoy Gohan very much, I'm just not seeing the point in clamoring to have him make some sort of utterly pointless "glorious" return. His character arc has long since completed and nothing else really needs to be done with him. Hes in a good position for himself and has did his part in the past multiple times. Leave the character alone instead of clinging to the nostalgia that was the Cell Games.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Can hope that never happens maybe.
You don't like Gohan?
Oh I enjoy Gohan very much, I'm just not seeing the point in clamoring to have him make some sort of utterly pointless "glorious" return. His character arc has long since completed and nothing else really needs to be done with him. Hes in a good position for himself and has did his part in the past multiple times. Leave the character alone instead of clinging to the nostalgia that was the Cell Games.
I can't help but notice people say Gohan fans cling to the past and his character arc is done..
Remind me what has goku achieved in super since start as character development in true sense..
What has bulma achieved? She's the same as ever, smart..
They all achieved nothing..
Never saw Dragonball as a complex character development show, people wanting Gohan do to something now is really not that hard to understand..
If he dosent what choice do fans have besides clinging to past where he did do something
The Lord moves in mysterious ways but you don't have to. Please use your blinker
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Can hope that never happens maybe.
You don't like Gohan?
Oh I enjoy Gohan very much, I'm just not seeing the point in clamoring to have him make some sort of utterly pointless "glorious" return. His character arc has long since completed and nothing else really needs to be done with him. Hes in a good position for himself and has did his part in the past multiple times. Leave the character alone instead of clinging to the nostalgia that was the Cell Games.
I thought it was hilarious myself; that honestly does sum up Zamasu's reaction to Goku pretty accurately
Kataphrut wrote:It's a bit of a Boy Who Cried Wolf situation to me...Basically, the boy shouldn't have cried wolf when the wolves just wanted to Go See Yamcha. If not, they might have gotten some help when the wolves came back to Make the Donuts.
Chuquita wrote:I liken Gokû Black to "guy can't stand his job, so instead of quitting and finding a job he likes, he instead sets fire not only to his workplace so he doesn't have to work there, but tries setting fire to every store in the franchise of that company".
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