Tanooki's DBZ: Season 2 Box Set Dissection

[Tanooki Kuribo]

some of the VAs no longer live in an area close enough to the FUNimation recording studio(s). Mr. Hebert I know was able to fly back to Texas to re-record all the narrator's lines, but other VAs (and here I'm thinking of Mr. Schemmel specifically) may not have been able to do the same thing

They don't have to be in Texas to record lines. In some cases (of animated shows) the VA's arent in the same room or state.

[ETC123]

They gave you the japanese version... Shouldnt that be enough for the fans of japanese.

Look at it this way- 90% of Anime releases in the US (give or take) provide an English dub that is atleast faithful/accurate to the script, and they can manage to pull it off very well. Naruto, FLCL, Bebop, Trigun among other things, hardhitters that are around, ANime wise, the same level as DBZ, can do it. But DBZ can't. Why? Well, there's a plethora of reasons, but the DBZ dub is by far totally inaccurate. Simply putting the Japanese music with the same lines as the English version and doing a cheapshit 5.1 mix doesn't negate the problems of the dub, it makes them more apparent, especially since it's outside of it's ridiculous, badly composed technorock enviroment.

Subsequently they didn't just offer the Japanese version, they did even worse- they offered an EDITED Japanese version. They removed details. They cropped 20% of the vertical image. It's still an edit and I don't buy edited Anime, nor do a whole bunch of other people who seemingly went and bought this POS anyway.

[SatoSky]

They gave you the japanese version... Shouldnt that be enough for the fans of japanese.

Uh, no it's not enough. I've got an issue with the widescreen bullshit that they are putting out there. It's just way too ridiculous to crop a show that was animated in 4:3 and put it out as 16:9. When other series or movies get this kind of treatment fans throw a shit-fit, (Star Wars comes to mind). Why do we put up with it? Do we not have enough integrity to wait for a proper product to come out? Maybe it's just so darn cheap, like this kitty is so darn cute!

I'm not going to speculate on why FUNimation cropped DBZ. It could be any number of reasons; reasons that other people have already stated. So I won't be too repetitive. All I'll say is this:

If you're a fan of the show who bought this crap of a product, and then go around petitioning for a 4:3 release, you are not helping to do anything except give FUNimation money. Simple as that.

That of course doesn't go for everybody here, because some people here just don't give a shit and buy whatever is fed to them like some little sheep.

Disheartening, like someone else has already posted.

[Magic Saiya-jin]

New kitty (remastered), you are getting so much footage on the sides!

[SatoSky]

New kitty (remastered), you are getting so much footage on the sides!

I MUST BUY IT!!!!

Nice one Majic.

[Kendamu]

*dulls the pain by hugging a DBZ manga while rocking back and forth chanting under his breath*

[DaemonCorps]

So... are there any scenes in particular where the widescreen is a real con (ie. scenes that don't pan up all the way, chopped off heads, etc)?

[MajinVejitaXV]

So... are there any scenes in particular where the widescreen is a real con (ie. scenes that don't pan up all the way, chopped off heads, etc)?

In this set, or in the sets in general?

-Corey

[NeptuneKai]

Not to make this a boxset war but is it really that big of a deal?
When they make errors in the remastering such as scratches, glitches or in general messy blended in colors such as Nappas foaming mouth then I am concerned. Things like that rarely happen though. But Goku's head will always be the top of his head Tien’s third eye is still there it’s just slightly covered up. You didn't care when you had it now that its taken away you act like it's the biggest part of the show. I can understand why you’re mad but constantly nagging, insulting and bashing on the box set isn’t going to help matters. I can see both sides of the argument but it seems you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you really miss the top of Goku’s head so much?

[bkev]

You know, the widescreen doesn't bug me as much as the shoddy remastering - so, Neptune, you have at least ONE supporter.

[TheMajinRedComet]

Am I the only person here that likes these sets?

[Kendamu]

Not to make this a boxset war but is it really that big of a deal?
When they make errors in the remastering such as scratches, glitches or in general messy blended in colors such as Nappas foaming mouth then I am concerned. Things like that rarely happen though. But Goku's head will always be the top of his head Tenshinhan’s third eye is still there it’s just slightly covered up. You didn't care when you had it now that its taken away you act like it's the biggest part of the show. I can understand why you’re mad but constantly nagging, insulting and bashing on the box set isn’t going to help matters. I can see both sides of the argument but it seems you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you really miss the top of Goku’s head so much?

Uhh... yeah. Nagging, complaining, bitching, moaning, insulting, and bashing will help. If it didn't, DBZ would've never been released in America with an option to view it in Japanese with good subtitles.

Instead, DBZ releases would look similar to Sonic X releases or the edited Naruto releases to this day.

Oh, and yes, I do miss the top of Goku's head. Why? Not because it got cropped, but because FUNimation then went on to try to fool people into thinking it wasn't. They almost had me, too.

That, and DVNR doesn't really do anything to help flaws in old animated shows. In fact, it just makes more a lot of the time.

[SatoSky]

Am I the only person here that likes these sets?

Of course not. There are plenty of FUNimation fanboys who LOVE the set.

All joking aside, no you're not the only person who likes these sets. Fans like them because they're cheap. Simple as that. There are a few fans who just want the subs, there are some who want the English dub with the Japanese BGM, etc.

In general though, people bought it because it was cheap and because they ate the shit that FUNimation fed to them. There aren't many of those people here though. Readers on this board seem to know how much of a piece of shit these sets are. They were well informed, they were there through all the bullshit spins FUNimation put on the entire situation. Over scan, more picture on the sides, etc. Fact is though, they bought it, and are not helping to get a 4:3 release.

They may have sent letters or signed crappy online petitions, when all is said and done though, FUNimation doesn't see that, they see this:

[Kendamu]

Yeah. 815 names were sent to them in a petition not to long ago and the DBZ Brand Manager sent it to the higher-ups. It's likely that there won't even be a response from them regarding the petition.

As for letters, somewhere around 30 have been sent in since the letter-writing campaign started.

It also doesn't help that these sets are selling like mad despite all the problems and lies they were built upon.

If FUNimation would just take their old stuff from the UUCs (including the unreleased portions) and their old releases and box them together for really cheap I'd be satisfied. They're not going to do that, though. There's no need since the impulsive, uninformed, and uncaring fans (the majority of DBZ fans, it seems) are buying into it all.

[Snail]

While some are just being ignorant. Like me! =]

[DBW]

Not to make this a boxset war but is it really that big of a deal?
When they make errors in the remastering such as scratches, glitches or in general messy blended in colors such as Nappas foaming mouth then I am concerned. Things like that rarely happen though. But Goku's head will always be the top of his head Tenshinhan’s third eye is still there it’s just slightly covered up. You didn't care when you had it now that its taken away you act like it's the biggest part of the show. I can understand why you’re mad but constantly nagging, insulting and bashing on the box set isn’t going to help matters. I can see both sides of the argument but it seems you guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. Do you really miss the top of Goku’s head so much?

This is either a really funny joke, or a really terrifying comment. I'm a little nervous that it might be the latter...
I mean, what would you think if they released the DVDs with the picture upside-down? "You didn't care about the picture being rightside-up before, but now you act like it's the biggest part of the show!" Seriously, if you don't understand or care about the framing, then so be it, but don't act like it's no big thing. Many, many, many people DO care about this sort of thing, the original creators being among them (and I'm talking about the artists, animators and directors, not the wig who sold the series to FUNi). Unfortunately there aren't many vocal DragonBall fans on the issue. It's just not the right kind of fan base, I guess (at least not in North America).


Anywho, earlier in the thread I asked about the Japanese credits, if it's not too much trouble could someone with the set please check them for me? Pretty please...

[Kendamu]

While some are just being ignorant. Like me! =]

Going by what (I think) is the actual definition of "ignorant", I lumped such people in with the term "uninformed".

[ETC123]

NeptuneKai: Your post sort of relates to my point in regards to this cropping and how it was utterly unnessecary. People would have bought this set for the fact that it's cheap DBZ. They could have easily used their old masters and STILL called it a 'remaster' and people would have bought it up just as easily. No one would have complained that it wasn't in 16:9. No one ever does, because it's really how things aren't done anymore, or, infact, ever. The ONLY reason anyone sticks up for the 16:9 are the people who are still looking at FUNimation's misleading screencaps and believe that there is more image on the sides, or the people who have this kneejerk reaction to anything that might possibly trump what they can own or do own. That attitude harks back to the day when the Dragonboxes came out while the 3 episode single discs came out. There were, unfortunantly, quite a few people adamantly up in arms at the fact that someone out there was getting a better product than they were, and they just HAD to do something about it as their internet penis integrity for owning all 102893 US DBZ DVDs was at stake in comparison to someone who owned it on 52 discs AND it looked better (and relativley speaking, was cheaper).

Sorry to sidetrack but I'm getting a bit nostalgic. I'll also laugh my guts out if the movie releases are, infact, 4:3 for any reason what so ever.

[Snail]

While some are just being ignorant. Like me! =]

Going by what (I think) is the actual definition of "ignorant", I lumped such people in with the term "uninformed".

Oh, silly silly me

[Vegard Aune]

You didn't care when you had it now that its taken away you act like it's the biggest part of the show.

And do you know why nobody cared when we had that stuff on the top and bottom? Because we never thought that anyone would be stupid enough to cut it off. Seriously, when the series was made in fullscreen, then it's obvious that any home releases should be in fullscreen too. Unless they actually COULD add more footage without losing stuff, like with the movies. (Fine, they were animated in 4:3, but Japan got 16:9, and the US DVDs clearly have more picture.)