Does regular Super Saiyan God still have a purpose?

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

In the anime, we're told that Super Saiyan Blue requires precise ki control and a calm mind, contrasting it with Super Saiyan 3, Golden Frieza, and other forms that put too much strain on the user. This is why combining it with Kaio-Ken has a chance of not being totally disastrous.

In the manga though, inefficiencies of the form are highlighted pretty harshly. Vegeta activating Super Saiyan Blue too often during the Universe 7 tournament led to the form being 10x weaker in his fight with Hit, and Goku transformed into regular Super Saiyan God (Super Saiyan Red) to show that a lesser form would be stronger than an overly-relied-upon Blue. So...what's the real consensus here? Does Blue actually symbolize stamina, or does Super Saiyan God have more stamina by virtue of Goku appearing to still be in some kind of "base" form? (Or at least, certainly not a Super Saiyan one.)

...If not, why else bother bringing it back? Is there something else about Super Saiyan God that will ever set it apart, like the healing ability? Could it be what Sage Mode was to the Nine-Tails one in terms of varying use?

[Angelus]

Goku transformed into SSJG/Red in the manga? By himself? Without the need to do the ritual again?

if so, why not do the ritual for all the Saiyans? It's certainly a bigger boost in power for Gohan, Goten, and Trunks

[Ki Breaker]

Manga gave it s purpose..
Anime threw it away for some unexplained reason..
He should be able to access it on his own, he did transform into it for a little while in his own..
Don't remember if it was the movies or super, just the god form being thrown to side makes it look stupid to introduce another one instead of perfecting it..

[Souheil21]

i actually thought that SSJ blue as just the super sayien form of SSJG

[Nejishiki]

if so, why not do the ritual for all the Saiyans? It's certainly a bigger boost in power for Gohan, Goten, and Trunks

That's playing under the assumption the children and Gohan want to undergo the ritual and learn how to retain its power, which isn't a guarantee. Furthermore, the power gained from Super Saiyan God varies with each individual. Vegeta, who expressed interest in Super Saiyan God, didn't start the ritual again in favor of making Super Saiyan God's power his own just as Goku did. The two instances of Super Saiyan God being used in the manga continuity are seen as strange by the characters. It is by no means optimal, except in very specific circumstances, the second of which being outright deemed unnecessary by Whis.

Is it possible that other Saiyans will be able to become [Super Saiyan] God in the future?
Of course. However, strength will vary depending on the battle power of the Saiyan who becomes [Super Saiyan] God.

Manga gave it s purpose..
Anime threw it away for some unexplained reason..
He should be able to access it on his own, he did transform into it for a little while in his own..
Don't remember if it was the movies or super, just the god form being thrown to side makes it look stupid to introduce another one instead of perfecting it..

Super Saiyan God is a temporary state. The purpose of Super Saiyan Blue to begin with was accessing its power without the need of the ritual and hoping to retain its strength. Super Saiyan Blue is perfecting Super Saiyan God given that it's a superior ki when properly formed. The rationale was explained in Resurrection F and Dragon Ball Super. The moment you're referring to in Battle of Gods was a brief burst of power related to him retaining the power of Super Saiyan God, which normally shouldn't be possible. Goku made what was thought to be impossible possible. That's how rare achieving that was considered.

[TekTheNinja]

It does in the manga.

[Souheil21]

i actually thought that SSJB is just a SSJ version of SSJG

[TheMikado]

The amount of confusion in this thread is why we have so much trouble discussing Super. Depending on which version you're viewing you will have a totally different take on this than another fan.

[PsionicWarrior]

i actually thought that SSJB is just a SSJ version of SSJG

If you ask me this is what makes the most sense, SSJB just seemed like the next stage and also appeared after SJJG lol
It's like there is the new base form with the God-Ki, then from this state SSJ turns blue, and is supposed to be on a completely different level than regular SSJ lol
Now maybe it could be interesting if SSJG can manifest itself in a different manner and we could have two layers, one SSJG and one SSJB each far from their limit with a lot to explore independently from each other but ATM all of this is more shady than rich lol

[sintzu]

i actually thought that SSJB is just a SSJ version of SSJG

If you ask me this is what makes the most sense, SSJB just seemed like the next stage and also appeared after SJJG lol

I think both of them are the same form, one is reached through a ritual and is temporary while the other is reached through training and is permanent.

[PsionicWarrior]

I think both of them are the same form, one is reached through a ritual and is temporary while the other is reached through training and is permanent.

That's an interesting take, hadn't thought of that but it could very well be possible indeed lol

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In the movies & FnF manga, Super Saiyan God, along with regular Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3, are all useless. Goku & Vegeta absorbed God's power in their regular forms, and transforming into SS/2/3/God barely increases their power, though Goku has only been able to turn into a SSG without the ritual by accident. Only Super Saiyan Blue gives them a significant increase in power, but the increase is less than x2, and it doesn't appear to have any stamina problems.

In the manga, Goku & Vegeta never absorbed any of God's power in their regular forms, and their base/SS/2/3 remained unaffected by it. It's unknown so far if Vegeta is able to do it, but Goku can transform into a SSG at will, and SSB increases their power even further. However, after they revert back to their base from their SSB form, their stamina heavily drops (they drop at 10% after one use), and the more they do it, the more their stamina will drop, but SSG doesn't appear to have any stamina problems.

In the anime, Goku absorbed the power of God in his SS form, and Vegeta obtained the power of God through training. Their SS form is as strong as SSG, their base is x50 weaker than SS/SSG, and SS2 & SS3 give them a x2 & x4 increase respectively. SSB is probably x50 stronger than SS3, doesn't appear to have any stamina problems, and its calm mind & perfect ki control, which no other SS form has so far, allows Goku to combine it with Kaio-ken (up to x10 so far), though it is not easy to do so & it carries many risks, and he hasn't mastered it yet.


So to answer your question, SSG doesn't have any purpose in the movie & anime continuities anymore, but it still has a purpose in the manga continuity: it is a form much stronger than SS3 without drawbacks, but weaker than SSB, which has drawbacks.

[Souheil21]

i actually thought that SSJB is just a SSJ version of SSJG

If you ask me this is what makes the most sense, SSJB just seemed like the next stage and also appeared after SJJG lol

I think both of them are the same form, one is reached through a ritual and is temporary while the other is reached through training and is permanent.

Thats what i dont get, if they'r the same form, then why the different colours?

[Souheil21]

nevermind the answer was literally just above my post.

[Chuquita]

I have a lot of fun drawing ssjg Gokû, so it still has a purpose to me.

Continuity-wise though, I agree it still has a place in the manga (thank you Toyotarou!) and even though I think chances are low for it popping up again in the anime, I appreciate that they added that self-healing ability to it (maybe it could come in handy when Hit tries to kill Gokû a few episodes from now?).

[sintzu]

If they'r the same form, then why the different colours?

To sell more toys and cards.

[dragon boss z]

In the movies & FnF manga, Super Saiyan God, along with regular Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, and Super Saiyan 3, are all useless. Goku & Vegeta absorbed God's power in their regular forms, and transforming into SS/2/3/God barely increases their power, though Goku has only been able to turn into a SSG without the ritual by accident. Only Super Saiyan Blue gives them a significant increase in power, but the increase is less than x2, and it doesn't appear to have any stamina problems.

In the manga, Goku & Vegeta never absorbed any of God's power in their regular forms, and their base/SS/2/3 remained unaffected by it. It's unknown so far if Vegeta is able to do it, but Goku can transform into a SSG at will, and SSB increases their power even further. However, after they revert back to their base from their SSB form, their stamina heavily drops (they drop at 10% after one use), and the more they do it, the more their stamina will drop, but SSG doesn't appear to have any stamina problems.

In the anime, Goku absorbed the power of God in his SS form, and Vegeta obtained the power of God through training. Their SS form is as strong as SSG, their base is x50 weaker than SS/SSG, and SS2 & SS3 give them a x2 & x4 increase respectively. SSB is probably x50 stronger than SS3, doesn't appear to have any stamina problems, and its calm mind & perfect ki control, which no other SS form has so far, allows Goku to combine it with Kaio-ken (up to x10 so far), though it is not easy to do so & it carries many risks, and he hasn't mastered it yet.


So to answer your question, SSG doesn't have any purpose in the movie & anime continuities anymore, but it still has a purpose in the manga continuity: it is a form much stronger than SS3 without drawbacks, but weaker than SSB, which has drawbacks.

They absorbed god power into their base form but their base form isn't as strong as their god form. In super it seems Goku's ssj form was equal to god form. In the movie it seemed base form (post god)<ssj<SSG.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

They absorbed god power into their base form but their base form isn't as strong as their god form. In super it seems Goku's ssj form was equal to god form. In the movie it seemed base form (post god)<ssj<SSG.

In the anime yes, his base form isn't as strong as SSG, his SS form is & his base is x50 weaker. In the movies, his base form is insignificantly weaker than his SS & SSG forms, to the point that he doesn't need to use these forms. Beerus says that his power didn't drop significantly from SSG to base, Toriyama said that Goku doesn't need SSG anymore, and it was shown in the FnF manga that base Goku was on SSG level. He does better in his SS & SSG forms in a few occasions, but only because he was angry. The fight in the cave shows that there isn't a big difference between 100% SSG Goku & base Goku.

[Bulma's Foot Masseur]

Since there's at least three different ways to define what Super Saiyan God even is (based on power and long-term relevance), my current headcanon is that Super Saiyan God is simply an incomplete attempt at Super Saiyan Blue, for three reasons:

- It's temporary, even if Goku absorbed the power from it.
- It's a form Goku entered as Super Saiyan and in the Super anime left as Super Saiyan. This implies it's definitely a form of Super Saiyan (even having yellow aura at some points in Super) with base-shaped hair simply signaling a deficiency. (This also makes the much-criticized name "Super Saiyan God" less of a misnomer.)
- In both the BoG and Super anime ritual scenes, Goku and the rest are slowly enveloped by blue aura with Goku even outright radiating it upon the form's first appearance. This implies that's the true color of god ki, yet Goku becomes a different color entirely and for virtually no reason.

The most confusing thing to get around is that the name "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" suggests the first Super Saiyan God isn't a form of Super Saiyan, when it clearly seems to be given what Goku is when he enters and in one case leaves it in. I interpret that as "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" being activated via Super Saiyan as opposed to a ritual.

[dragon boss z]

They absorbed god power into their base form but their base form isn't as strong as their god form. In super it seems Goku's ssj form was equal to god form. In the movie it seemed base form (post god)<ssj<SSG.

In the anime yes, his base form isn't as strong as SSG, his SS form is & his base is x50 weaker. In the movies, his base form is insignificantly weaker than his SS & SSG forms, to the point that he doesn't need to use these forms. Beerus says that his power didn't drop significantly from SSG to base, Toriyama said that Goku doesn't need SSG anymore, and it was shown in the FnF manga that base Goku was on SSG level. He does better in his SS & SSG forms in a few occasions, but only because he was angry. The fight in the cave shows that there isn't a big difference between 100% SSG Goku & base Goku.

Goku never got to use his 100% god form in the cave yet. He didn't use that until the end of the fight when he went SSG one last time.

Alos Beerus didn't say Goku's power didn't drop significantly until Goku already went ssj. Though I agree with you it didn't seem like a big jump from base to ssj.

If SSG is a 6, 80% of that power would be 4.8. I would say Goku's base might of dropped him down to a 3, and then going ssj brought him back up to a 6. Though Goku's base may of only been that strong during the fight since he just lost his god form. It seems to me in RoF SSB and Goden Frieza seem to be much more than just a couple times boost in power.