Was Frost just a throwaway character?

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Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Doctor. » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:22 am

After his defeat at the hands of Hit, he passed out and was kept silent for the whole tournament. Now, with the upcoming baseball episode and seemingly everyone from Champa's team being back (with the exception of Hit, but he's getting his own arc soon), Frost is excluded (and I didn't even remember his existence until someone pointed it out that he was missing). It seems like they have no plans to include Frost on any future material which seems like such a huge waste of an already wasted character.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by VegettoEX » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:01 am

We have no idea what their plans are for the future of the series, so I don't think it's appropriate to assume he's written off completely just yet.

They're having a (relatively) cordial baseball game in that upcoming episode. Frost played dirty and made a fool of Champa during the tournament. I'm not surprised at all he wasn't invited along to play.

This all seems fine to me.
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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Alruneia » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:51 am

Honestly, I feel like his exclusion from slice of life stuff adds to how he set up a false image of being good and how he cheated in the tournament with poison, making him seem even more villainous.
It's very easy to use Frost to set up plots. An emperor such as him is bound to have far-reaching connections, something that allows for him to cause a lot of trouble indirectly. For example, Frost may be the one who's hired Hit to kill Goku in Episode 71. Deeper connections may even reach other twin universes, allowing for far more serious villains.
An example of a plot: After his defeat at the inter-universal tournament, Frost was exposed as being the cause of invasions of countless planets before "saving" them by Cabba and the Universe 6 saiyans. Humiliated and his image ruined, Frost decides to take revenge and uses his connections to launch a full-scale invasion of Planet Salad. The Z Fighters get involved because of that promise about visiting the planet, and ta-da, we have a plot unfolding.
In short, his character has a lot of potential and I can't see him being a one-time character.
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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by namekiansaiyan » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:58 am

He will probably return in the 12 universe tournament.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Ki Breaker » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:14 am

Alruneia wrote: An example of a plot: After his defeat at the inter-universal tournament, Frost was exposed as being the cause of invasions of countless planets before "saving" them by Cabba and the Universe 6 saiyans. Humiliated and his image ruined, Frost decides to take revenge and uses his connections to launch a full-scale invasion of Planet Salad. The Z Fighters get involved because of that promise about visiting the planet, and ta-da, we have a plot unfolding.
This very well could be the next arc, It's a very good idea..
Maybe that is what Toyotaro meant by promise and things don't go as expected..
I would dig this as the new arc honestly..

Frost seems like a good character and the substitute of freeza to me, a freeza who is even more lower and is not ashamed to use weapons to win a flight even though he is strong..
Frost is definitely not a one time character, could totally see him Mastering his ultimate evolution in the tournament arc..
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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:49 pm

As of now, it feels like it. He could have been a pretty deep villain if there were more layers added as to why he started wars on planets beyond "for the evulz". He could have been Dragon Ball's answer to Lex Luthor if handled properly. Instead, he just because a cardboard cut out copy of Freeza. I really hated how Frost's character was handled. I hope they go back to him at some point just to expand on his characterisation, but it seems unlikely.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by TheMikado » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:55 pm

When Dragonball Heroes, in the course of less than 60 seconds manages to setup a dramatically more deep and interesting character, you have not fleshed your character out enough.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Animelover5487 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:15 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:As of now, it feels like it. He could have been a pretty deep villain if there were more layers added as to why he started wars on planets beyond "for the evulz". He could have been Dragon Ball's answer to Lex Luthor if handled properly. Instead, he just because a cardboard cut out copy of Freeza. I really hated how Frost's character was handled. I hope they go back to him at some point just to expand on his characterisation, but it seems unlikely.
He didn't start the wars For the Evulz. He started them as a business practice to gain money and resources much like Freeza.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:35 pm

Animelover5487 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:As of now, it feels like it. He could have been a pretty deep villain if there were more layers added as to why he started wars on planets beyond "for the evulz". He could have been Dragon Ball's answer to Lex Luthor if handled properly. Instead, he just because a cardboard cut out copy of Freeza. I really hated how Frost's character was handled. I hope they go back to him at some point just to expand on his characterisation, but it seems unlikely.
He didn't start the wars For the Evulz. He started them as a business practice to gain money and resources much like Freeza.
It's never explicitly stated to be that case.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Neon Z » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:15 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Animelover5487 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:As of now, it feels like it. He could have been a pretty deep villain if there were more layers added as to why he started wars on planets beyond "for the evulz". He could have been Dragon Ball's answer to Lex Luthor if handled properly. Instead, he just because a cardboard cut out copy of Freeza. I really hated how Frost's character was handled. I hope they go back to him at some point just to expand on his characterisation, but it seems unlikely.
He didn't start the wars For the Evulz. He started them as a business practice to gain money and resources much like Freeza.
It's never explicitly stated to be that case.
It's outright stated that he made wars in order to gain money by taking care of the place's recovery afterwards.

The main issue with Frost though, which makes him seem completely throw away, is that his character seems very different in the anime and manga, suggesting that Toriyama really didn't write anything about his character's personality aside from something like "He seems like a nice guy at first, but he's actually bad like Freeza." In the anime, we get all this backstory about him being an hero only to turn out to be leader of space pirates, but in the manga he's just a seemingly honorable fighter who turns out to be selfish, cheat and to just want to get out of the tournament since had no prize to gain there.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by TekTheNinja » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:38 pm

Honestly, I hope we never see him again. He's a garbage character that started off with so much potential. Making him evil was so fucking obvious and boring and I hope he's just dead or something because I hate see that wasted potential on screen.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Animelover5487 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:56 pm

Neon Z wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote:
Animelover5487 wrote:
He didn't start the wars For the Evulz. He started them as a business practice to gain money and resources much like Freeza.
It's never explicitly stated to be that case.
It's outright stated that he made wars in order to gain money by taking care of the place's recovery afterwards.

The main issue with Frost though, which makes him seem completely throw away, is that his character seems very different in the anime and manga, suggesting that Toriyama really didn't write anything about his character's personality aside from something like "He seems like a nice guy at first, but he's actually bad like Freeza." In the anime, we get all this backstory about him being an hero only to turn out to be leader of space pirates, but in the manga he's just a seemingly honorable fighter who turns out to be selfish, cheat and to just want to get out of the tournament since had no prize to gain there.
Toriyama has involvement in the production of the anime as well. I think Frost's backstory with the "causing wars on planets to gain profit" is canon it's just the manga isn't long enough to work a backstory like that into a single chapter like the anime did.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Neon Z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:41 pm

Animelover5487 wrote:Toriyama has involvement in the production of the anime as well. I think Frost's backstory with the "causing wars on planets to gain profit" is canon it's just the manga isn't long enough to work a backstory like that into a single chapter like the anime did.
They easily could have mentioned it in two or three panels through Vados exposing him, like she did in the anime - without the accompanying images, just text.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by sintzu » Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:13 pm

They could've done a lot with him like have him starting wars behind the scenes and help fight them before stabbing everyone in the back.

Or he could've been like that in the past but is now trying to be good but his past won't let him escape it.

But no, he was just wasted fan service. :yawn:
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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by Venus » Fri Dec 09, 2016 11:27 pm

I would have loved to have Frost as a "good" character for real.

But I don't feel that Mr. Toriyama/Toei are done with Frost yet, they could make a amazing arc featuring Frost as enemy, against Planet Salad, like the other user above mentioned.

Who knows, he might redeem and turn good, that's of course, if they give him some more screentime. (This would actually show how different he is from Frieza since Frieza never changed his ways, even after being given multiple chances)

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by alexhermit » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:17 am

Its not like he had any character development, hes just some thrown away goon who got rekted after being caught cheating. But now it would be interesting if there was an actual Freeza race.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by TekTheNinja » Sat Dec 10, 2016 2:14 pm

alexhermit wrote:Its not like he had any character development, hes just some thrown away goon who got rekted after being caught cheating. But now it would be interesting if there was an actual Freeza race.
That's why he feels so wasted though. Seeing him originally, he had so much potential to be an interesting character.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by FireFly » Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:53 pm

Frost will probably come back since he wasn't killed off, but I have a hard time believing he'll be much more relevant than he was before.

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by TekTheNinja » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:31 pm

FireFly wrote:Frost will probably come back since he wasn't killed off, but I have a hard time believing he'll be much more relevant than he was before.
What I don't get is Hit saying, "No one has ever survived my Tokitobashi"

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Re: Was Frost just a throwaway character?

Post by FireFly » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:38 pm

TekTheNinja wrote:
FireFly wrote:Frost will probably come back since he wasn't killed off, but I have a hard time believing he'll be much more relevant than he was before.
What I don't get is Hit saying, "No one has ever survived my Tokitobashi"
He doesn't use his killing techniques in the tournament arc :thumbup:

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