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If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be?

Post by PotaraWarrior » Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:32 pm

If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be? I would give the human characters a bigger role

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Post by Steven Bloodriver » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:31 pm

PotaraWarrior wrote:If you could change anything in the whole series what would it be? I would give the human characters a bigger role
1) Vegito never having been defused inside Super Buu and being the main character.

2) The Son and Brief Families becoming one, even bigger family because of Vegito being around.

3) A certain someone turning into a Saiyan and meeting up with them in Age 784.

4) God of Destruction Beerus using Hakai on everyone making up ScrewAttack Entertainment.

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Post by sintzu » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:36 pm

I'd have an arc or 2 set before Buu with Gohan as the main hero to give Goku's death and Gohan's victory against Cell more of an impact.
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Post by Angelus » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:15 pm

Have DBZ Kai be an actual animation re-drawing instead of just being remastered or whatnot. Animators would have to redraw everything the same way they had to make new drawings/animation for BoG/FnF/DBS. You would see Path to Power and video game intro quality animation.

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Post by nite_jay » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:19 pm

Either end the series at the 23rd Budokai or not make Goku as reckless to get a good fight. Him doing that literally kept the plot going for the Saiyan, Namek, Cyborg, and Boo arcs; which I think is a little too much.

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Post by FoolsGil » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:44 pm

Slowing down power scaling.

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Post by Chuquita » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:49 pm

I wanted to see Zamasu and Gokû Black punished by being stuck as Omni King's playmates instead of them being erased from existence.
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Post by dragon boss z » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:52 pm

take away time travel and have Goku have the heart virus and get put out of commission for most of the Cell arc.
19 and 20 would attack and they would go to stop them. Things happen in a similar way with them being stronger than Gero expected so he runs back to his lab and releases 17 and 18. 17 and 18 wont' be above ssj level anymore but since Goku is sick and Vegeta won't be a ssj yet that doesn't matter and they beat everyone up the same way and release 16 like they did before. They go off and look for Goku.
This is when I would have mecha Frieza show up with King Cold. Everyone would be crapping their pants and they all meat up to try and stop Frieza. Maybe they even form a truce with the androids. They kill all of Frieza's men but then they start getting their butts whooped by Frieza. This is where Vegeta would finally become a ssj. Piccolo could fuse with Kami and Vegeta and Piccolo can have a 2v2 with Frieza and Cold. Vegeta will be the one to finish of Frieza. Piccolo can kill off Cold. Might as well give him a major villain kill (poor Piccolo, lol)
Dr Gero's computer also sensed Frieza and his dad and went to pick up their DNA. With this DNA project Cell will finally be completed and the monster is released.
It would be kind of the same from here. Cell goes after the androids, Vegeta lets him reach his perfect form, the Cell games are announced, Goku will get better, they will go into the ROSAT, and the Cell games would pretty much be the same but without future Trunks.

I know a lot of people like future Trunks, but I think they time travel is more trouble than it's worth and I think Vegeta should finally reach ssj against his arc enemy and kill Frieza off himself for payback of years of suffering. Also I don't like how the androids are so strong so keeping Goku sick and Vegeta not being a ssj yet would fix that.

I don't think any of that affects the Buu saga much.

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Post by Ki Breaker » Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:50 am

• Give Gohan a bigger role..
• There are plenty more small aspects I want to change, won't mention them as there is no end to it.
• Bring in a character who gets his energy from sun, who thinks he has infinity energy because he absorbed suns energy for some years and is an idiot to grasp to concept to infinity..
Then have goku beat him in his base form and destroy him to freaking shreds by super Saiyan 1..
• I would say showcase an episode on parady or gag characters being stupidity strong and comparing them with some non gag series is foolish..
But this has already been done and beerus can destroy them too is an additional bonus!
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Post by Akyon » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:43 am

Have the humans be able to keep up with Piccolo at the very least. I mean that still makes them overpowered but not to the extent they're not able to contribute after the insane power scaling.

Less SSJ forms. Super Saiyan was supposed to be this legendary form. Now there's like what? Five levels beyond that? Kind of ridiculous. Maybe keep Super Saiyan, the buffed up version Trunks used and SSJGod.

Have every character be the best at something, for example: Yamcha being faster than anyone else, Krillin being the best at ki control, Goku the strongest, Vegeta the toughest, Tenshinhan being able to pick up techniques far quicker than everyone else, expanding Piccolo's role as the strategist, Gohan being the brightest(for a scholar, he doesn't use his smarts very well), etc. Instead of what we have with Goku being the best at everything for half the series.
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Post by DSB » Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:51 am

dragon boss z wrote:take away time travel and have Goku have the heart virus and get put out of commission for most of the Cell arc.
19 and 20 would attack and they would go to stop them. Things happen in a similar way with them being stronger than Gero expected so he runs back to his lab and releases 17 and 18. 17 and 18 wont' be above ssj level anymore but since Goku is sick and Vegeta won't be a ssj yet that doesn't matter and they beat everyone up the same way and release 16 like they did before. They go off and look for Goku.
This is when I would have mecha Frieza show up with King Cold. Everyone would be crapping their pants and they all meat up to try and stop Frieza. Maybe they even form a truce with the androids. They kill all of Frieza's men but then they start getting their butts whooped by Frieza. This is where Vegeta would finally become a ssj. Piccolo could fuse with Kami and Vegeta and Piccolo can have a 2v2 with Frieza and Cold. Vegeta will be the one to finish of Frieza. Piccolo can kill off Cold. Might as well give him a major villain kill (poor Piccolo, lol)
Dr Gero's computer also sensed Frieza and his dad and went to pick up their DNA. With this DNA project Cell will finally be completed and the monster is released.
It would be kind of the same from here. Cell goes after the androids, Vegeta lets him reach his perfect form, the Cell games are announced, Goku will get better, they will go into the ROSAT, and the Cell games would pretty much be the same but without future Trunks.

I know a lot of people like future Trunks, but I think they time travel is more trouble than it's worth and I think Vegeta should finally reach ssj against his arc enemy and kill Frieza off himself for payback of years of suffering. Also I don't like how the androids are so strong so keeping Goku sick and Vegeta not being a ssj yet would fix that.

I don't think any of that affects the Buu saga much.
So basically ruin the Entire Saga ??

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Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:32 pm

DSB wrote:
dragon boss z wrote:take away time travel and have Goku have the heart virus and get put out of commission for most of the Cell arc.
19 and 20 would attack and they would go to stop them. Things happen in a similar way with them being stronger than Gero expected so he runs back to his lab and releases 17 and 18. 17 and 18 wont' be above ssj level anymore but since Goku is sick and Vegeta won't be a ssj yet that doesn't matter and they beat everyone up the same way and release 16 like they did before. They go off and look for Goku.
This is when I would have mecha Frieza show up with King Cold. Everyone would be crapping their pants and they all meat up to try and stop Frieza. Maybe they even form a truce with the androids. They kill all of Frieza's men but then they start getting their butts whooped by Frieza. This is where Vegeta would finally become a ssj. Piccolo could fuse with Kami and Vegeta and Piccolo can have a 2v2 with Frieza and Cold. Vegeta will be the one to finish of Frieza. Piccolo can kill off Cold. Might as well give him a major villain kill (poor Piccolo, lol)
Dr Gero's computer also sensed Frieza and his dad and went to pick up their DNA. With this DNA project Cell will finally be completed and the monster is released.
It would be kind of the same from here. Cell goes after the androids, Vegeta lets him reach his perfect form, the Cell games are announced, Goku will get better, they will go into the ROSAT, and the Cell games would pretty much be the same but without future Trunks.

I know a lot of people like future Trunks, but I think they time travel is more trouble than it's worth and I think Vegeta should finally reach ssj against his arc enemy and kill Frieza off himself for payback of years of suffering. Also I don't like how the androids are so strong so keeping Goku sick and Vegeta not being a ssj yet would fix that.

I don't think any of that affects the Buu saga much.
So basically ruin the Entire Saga ??

WORST Fan idea i have ever read


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I don't see how it's ruining the saga. It's almost the exact same without time travel and Trunks. So if you are a big future Trunks fan I could see how you wouldn't like it. Also if you like badly written time travel stories I could also see why you wouldn't want to get rid of time travel. The entire Cell games would be exactly the same, the androids fights would be pretty much exactly the same. And tbh Trunks really didn't do anything in the actual story and all time traveling did was create plot holes.
Also imo Vegeta deserved to kill Frieza, and if you are going to bring back Frieza in the first place he shouldn't just be a jobber.

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Post by Abra kadabra » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:16 pm

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dragon boss z wrote:take away time travel and have Goku have the heart virus and get put out of commission for most of the Cell arc.
19 and 20 would attack and they would go to stop them. Things happen in a similar way with them being stronger than Gero expected so he runs back to his lab and releases 17 and 18. 17 and 18 wont' be above ssj level anymore but since Goku is sick and Vegeta won't be a ssj yet that doesn't matter and they beat everyone up the same way and release 16 like they did before. They go off and look for Goku.
This is when I would have mecha Frieza show up with King Cold. Everyone would be crapping their pants and they all meat up to try and stop Frieza. Maybe they even form a truce with the androids. They kill all of Frieza's men but then they start getting their butts whooped by Frieza. This is where Vegeta would finally become a ssj. Piccolo could fuse with Kami and Vegeta and Piccolo can have a 2v2 with Frieza and Cold. Vegeta will be the one to finish of Frieza. Piccolo can kill off Cold. Might as well give him a major villain kill (poor Piccolo, lol)
Dr Gero's computer also sensed Frieza and his dad and went to pick up their DNA. With this DNA project Cell will finally be completed and the monster is released.
It would be kind of the same from here. Cell goes after the androids, Vegeta lets him reach his perfect form, the Cell games are announced, Goku will get better, they will go into the ROSAT, and the Cell games would pretty much be the same but without future Trunks.

I know a lot of people like future Trunks, but I think they time travel is more trouble than it's worth and I think Vegeta should finally reach ssj against his arc enemy and kill Frieza off himself for payback of years of suffering. Also I don't like how the androids are so strong so keeping Goku sick and Vegeta not being a ssj yet would fix that.

I don't think any of that affects the Buu saga much.
So basically ruin the Entire Saga ??

WORST Fan idea i have ever read


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I don't see how it's ruining the saga. It's almost the exact same without time travel and Trunks. So if you are a big future Trunks fan I could see how you wouldn't like it. Also if you like badly written time travel stories I could also see why you wouldn't want to get rid of time travel. The entire Cell games would be exactly the same, the androids fights would be pretty much exactly the same. And tbh Trunks really didn't do anything in the actual story and all time traveling did was create plot holes.
Also imo Vegeta deserved to kill Frieza, and if you are going to bring back Frieza in the first place he shouldn't just be a jobber.
The terminator similarities are one of the more interesting aspects of that overrated drawn out arc. This (no offence) bad fanfiction idea would make the arc worse than what already is and kill the franchise lol. Goku should have sacrificed himself or be killed earlier in the arc. I'd also have vegeta turn SSJ2 and kill cell instead of Gohan. Gohan being the one to do it made no sense and was random reader insert
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Post by ekrolo2 » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:18 pm

Get rid of the time travel shit, you can very easily make the Black & Android arcs work without them and they'd be all the better for it.
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Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:10 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:Get rid of the time travel shit, you can very easily make the Black & Android arcs work without them and they'd be all the better for it.
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Post by dragon boss z » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:17 pm

Abra kadabra wrote: The terminator similarities are one of the more interesting aspects of that overrated drawn out arc. This (no offence) bad fanfiction idea would make the arc worse than what already is and kill the franchise lol. Goku should have sacrificed himself or be killed earlier in the arc. I'd also have vegeta turn SSJ2 and kill cell instead of Gohan. Gohan being the one to do it made no sense and was random reader insert
Nah the arc was supposed to be Gohan realizing his hidden potential. That was built up throughout the manga. Also Vegeta isn't meant to surpass Goku. I don't see why you think the time travel is so interesting. It really didn't do much for the story. It could of easily progressed without time travel. All the time travel did was create confusion.
Also like I said, androids being stronger than Frieza makes no sense, and Vegeta should be the one to finish off Frieza, and Vegeta going ssj for the first time to finally beat Frieza makes sense.

It sounds like a big change but it really isn't. It's the same arc, but with no future Trunks (who did nothing anyways besides kill Frieza and that wasn't even needed or a main part of the arc). Also I think bring back Frieza as a threat for Vegeta to go ssj against makes for a more interesting story than Frieza coming back to be a jobber.
Also I think already having the threat of the androids and not knowing how to win, and then adding Frieza on top of that would increase the suspense. Of course Frieza wouldn't last long and he would really only come for Vegeta to attain ssj, and for Cell to get his DNA.
If you really hate the idea of Frieza coming back later and being a threat you could always have him come back and be killed by Goku like in the original timeline and just leave out time travel, but I thought Frieza coming back while the androids were around would be cooler (no pun intended).

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Make Goku suicidal and turn it into a running gag.

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Post by PotaraWarrior » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:27 pm

I have to disagree. I believe time travel brings a lot to the story as does Trunks' character. I personally believe the thought of their being multiple Super Saiyans is what helped drive Vegeta to wanting to be a Super Saiyan again. Plus Trunks brings out more character in Vegeta. His death causing Vegeta to go mad, shows that he actually feels love towards his son even if he doesn't show it. Not only that, but I believe, personally, that the time travel adds a lot to the overall Universe and the fact that the Androids were different then what Trunks said is shocking and interesting. Trunks arriving in completely different timeline is intriguing to me. But I can see why you'd think that.

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Post by Abra kadabra » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:46 pm

dragon boss z wrote: Nah the arc was supposed to be Gohan realizing his hidden potential. That was built up throughout the manga. Also Vegeta isn't meant to surpass Goku. I don't see why you think the time travel is so interesting. It really didn't do much for the story. It could of easily progressed without time travel. All the time travel did was create confusion.
Also like I said, androids being stronger than Frieza makes no sense, and Vegeta should be the one to finish off Frieza, and Vegeta going ssj for the first time to finally beat Frieza makes sense.

It sounds like a big change but it really isn't. It's the same arc, but with no future Trunks (who did nothing anyways besides kill Frieza and that wasn't even needed or a main part of the arc). Also I think bring back Frieza as a threat for Vegeta to go ssj against makes for a more interesting story than Frieza coming back to be a jobber.
Also I think already having the threat of the androids and not knowing how to win, and then adding Frieza on top of that would increase the suspense. Of course Frieza wouldn't last long and he would really only come for Vegeta to attain ssj, and for Cell to get his DNA.
If you really hate the idea of Frieza coming back later and being a threat you could always have him come back and be killed by Goku like in the original timeline and just leave out time travel, but I thought Frieza coming back while the androids were around would be cooler (no pun intended).
Gohan didn't even interact with cell until the last fight. Their was no emotional build up to their confrontation or past relationships to work with. It was random.

Vegeta was an asshole the entire arc leading up to the payoff of cell killing trunks. He was one of the only people in that arc to get character development and he should have been the one to redeem himself, turn SSJ2 and kill cell after neglecting his son and letting cell transform.

Gohan's build up and hidden potential was forced since he regressed as a character from the frieza arc, was thrown into a fight he had no right being in and was having multiple personality disorders throughout it. In the end he needed daddy to hold his hand.

Frieza's presence and death had one job and that was to set up the Androids as a bigger threat. He's irrelevant to this arc.

The time travel element was used to represent a future where the Z fighter failed and an assassin and ally sent from the future to alter the past. Terminator homage which Akira Toriyama is a big fan of.

I'm not of huge fan of the cell arc because it was pretty boring but your idea (no offence) is dreadful.

Unless you didn't pay attention to other characters or nostalgia, the time travel element is pretty important

Trunks was great as well.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:11 pm

Swap the Android arc with the Freeza arc in terms of time placement and don't have Super Saiyan appear until the Freeza arc within that specific time placement. That would sort of out so many issues with the power scaling and keep the supporting cast relevant.

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